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"Tech's offense isn't yet performing to its norm."
Let's put the emphasis on YET.
Ted Roof's job
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Let's put the emphasis on YET.
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That's what Pitt said.
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The problem is not Coach Johnson's Offense, I think it was the recruiting efforts before Ted Roof/Mike Pelton came on board...(Al Groh) Lets take a look at 2012/2013 recuiting classes that happened before Ted Roof came to the flats and 2014-2016 since Ted Roof. This is why CPJ says we are young, becuase we are and also alot of our Recuits have been dismissed/Quit or medical, so it makes it tough when the 2012-13 classes are gutted and they are the leaders or are suppose to be leaders.. We are young, but we are getting better every week.
PRE TED ROOF
2012 Recruits// 17 recruited, 6 Dismissed/Quit/Medical, 3 in NFL/graduated...Also note only 2 OL taken..Freddie Burden who is playing and Chase Roberts who is not.
Dennis Andrews – Dismissed
Anthony Autry – Dismissed
Adam Gotsis – NFL
Justin Thomas - Starter
Francis Kallon – Starter
DJ White – NFL
Pat Gamble – Starter
Rod Chungong – Starter
Marcus Allen – Backup
Beau Hankins – Quit
Mike Summers - Quit
Chase Roberts –Medical
Tyler Stargel – Graduated
Freddie Burden – Starter
Travin Henry – Dismissed
Lynn Griffin – Backup
Ryan Rodwell - Starter
2013 Recruits// 15 recruited, 6 Dismissed/Quit/Medical, 6 left on the team...Only OL recruit Chris Griffin is on Medical
Travis Custis – Dismissed
Dillon Moore – Dismissed/Quit???
Corey Griffin – Starter
PJ Davis - Starter
Antonio Messick – Backup
Ty Griffin – Quit
John Marvin – Dismissed
Justin Akins – Dismissed
Chris Griffin – Medical
Harrison Butker – starter
Donovan Wilson - Quit
Darius Commissiong – Quit
Ricky Jeune - Starter
Kevin Robbins – Quit
Shamire Devine – Starter
POST TED ROOF
2014 Recruits// 21 recruited, 6 Dismissed/Quit/Medical, 2 OL lost from this class, Gary Brown and Jake Whitley
Keshun Freeman – Starter
Myles Autry – Dismissed
Steph Durham – Starter
CJ Leggett – Dismissed
Qua Searcy – Starter
Andrew Marshall – Starter
Jake Stickler – Backup
Lance Austin- Starter
Lawrence Austin – Starter
Trey Klock – Starter
Gary Brown – Quit
Kenderius Whitehead – Medical
Mike Preddy – Dismissed
Tyler Merriweather – Backup
Jalen Johnson – Backup
Terrell Lewis – Backup
Tre Jackson – Backup
Antonio Simmons – Starter
Matt Jordan – Backup
Jake Whitley – Medical
Clinton Lynch - Starter
2015 Recruits// 27 recruited, 2 Dismissed/Quit/Medical
Jaylend Ratliffe – Medical
KirVonte Benson – Backup
Meiko Dotson – Backup
Brad Morgan – Backup
Quaide Weimerskirck – Backup
Trent Sellers – Backup
Nate Cottrell – Backup
Omarhri Jarett- Backup
Scott Morgan – Backup
Davis Curry – Backup
Kyle Henderson – Backup
Brantavious Glanton – Backup
Marcus Marshall – Backup
Harland Howell – Backup
Taquon Marshall – Backup
Dante Wigley – Quit
Dorian Walker – Backup
Brad Stewart – Starter
Brant Mitchell – Starter
Will Bryan – Starter
Tyler Cooksey – Backup
Mikell Lands-Davis – Backup
AJ Gray – Starter
Christian Campbell – Backup
Victor Alexander – backup
Anree Saint-Amour – backup
Christian Philpott – backup
2016 Recruits// 18 recruited, 0 Dismissed/Quit/Medical
Jordan Woods –Redshirt
Parker Braun – Starter/Backup
Emanual Bridges – Redshirt
Xavier Gantt – Redshirt
Dedrick Mills Starter
Jay Jones – Redshirt
Brandon Adams – Backup
Jair Anderson - Redshirt
Jarett Cole– Redshirt
Chris Martin – Redshirt
Desmond Branch – Backup
Steve Dolphus – Redshirt
Jacob Brasher – Redshirt
Lucas Johnson – Redshirt
Jalen Camp – Backup
Kenny Cooper – Redshirt
Ajani Kerr – Redshirt
Brad Stewart – Starter
Jahaziel Lee - Redshirt
Also when you add in the transfers of OL E. Froyman, AB JJ Green and DB Lamont Simmons, I can not but help see a huge diff between DC Ted Roof and his recruiting talents compared to the guys before him. What does this mean? the 2017 season will be the first season of four years of Ted Roof recruiting. (He has helped reopen Atlanta market, LA, FLA, Carolinas and Tenn, We are not recruiting the Washington DC, Maryland markets as much since Groh left) We are young and that the 2017 ,18 and 19 seasons should be fun years for the folks who would like us to be in the hunt for 9-1o win seasons ACC titles..
PRE TED ROOF
2012 Recruits// 17 recruited, 6 Dismissed/Quit/Medical, 3 in NFL/graduated...Also note only 2 OL taken..Freddie Burden who is playing and Chase Roberts who is not.
Dennis Andrews – Dismissed
Anthony Autry – Dismissed
Adam Gotsis – NFL
Justin Thomas - Starter
Francis Kallon – Starter
DJ White – NFL
Pat Gamble – Starter
Rod Chungong – Starter
Marcus Allen – Backup
Beau Hankins – Quit
Mike Summers - Quit
Chase Roberts –Medical
Tyler Stargel – Graduated
Freddie Burden – Starter
Travin Henry – Dismissed
Lynn Griffin – Backup
Ryan Rodwell - Starter
2013 Recruits// 15 recruited, 6 Dismissed/Quit/Medical, 6 left on the team...Only OL recruit Chris Griffin is on Medical
Travis Custis – Dismissed
Dillon Moore – Dismissed/Quit???
Corey Griffin – Starter
PJ Davis - Starter
Antonio Messick – Backup
Ty Griffin – Quit
John Marvin – Dismissed
Justin Akins – Dismissed
Chris Griffin – Medical
Harrison Butker – starter
Donovan Wilson - Quit
Darius Commissiong – Quit
Ricky Jeune - Starter
Kevin Robbins – Quit
Shamire Devine – Starter
POST TED ROOF
2014 Recruits// 21 recruited, 6 Dismissed/Quit/Medical, 2 OL lost from this class, Gary Brown and Jake Whitley
Keshun Freeman – Starter
Myles Autry – Dismissed
Steph Durham – Starter
CJ Leggett – Dismissed
Qua Searcy – Starter
Andrew Marshall – Starter
Jake Stickler – Backup
Lance Austin- Starter
Lawrence Austin – Starter
Trey Klock – Starter
Gary Brown – Quit
Kenderius Whitehead – Medical
Mike Preddy – Dismissed
Tyler Merriweather – Backup
Jalen Johnson – Backup
Terrell Lewis – Backup
Tre Jackson – Backup
Antonio Simmons – Starter
Matt Jordan – Backup
Jake Whitley – Medical
Clinton Lynch - Starter
2015 Recruits// 27 recruited, 2 Dismissed/Quit/Medical
Jaylend Ratliffe – Medical
KirVonte Benson – Backup
Meiko Dotson – Backup
Brad Morgan – Backup
Quaide Weimerskirck – Backup
Trent Sellers – Backup
Nate Cottrell – Backup
Omarhri Jarett- Backup
Scott Morgan – Backup
Davis Curry – Backup
Kyle Henderson – Backup
Brantavious Glanton – Backup
Marcus Marshall – Backup
Harland Howell – Backup
Taquon Marshall – Backup
Dante Wigley – Quit
Dorian Walker – Backup
Brad Stewart – Starter
Brant Mitchell – Starter
Will Bryan – Starter
Tyler Cooksey – Backup
Mikell Lands-Davis – Backup
AJ Gray – Starter
Christian Campbell – Backup
Victor Alexander – backup
Anree Saint-Amour – backup
Christian Philpott – backup
2016 Recruits// 18 recruited, 0 Dismissed/Quit/Medical
Jordan Woods –Redshirt
Parker Braun – Starter/Backup
Emanual Bridges – Redshirt
Xavier Gantt – Redshirt
Dedrick Mills Starter
Jay Jones – Redshirt
Brandon Adams – Backup
Jair Anderson - Redshirt
Jarett Cole– Redshirt
Chris Martin – Redshirt
Desmond Branch – Backup
Steve Dolphus – Redshirt
Jacob Brasher – Redshirt
Lucas Johnson – Redshirt
Jalen Camp – Backup
Kenny Cooper – Redshirt
Ajani Kerr – Redshirt
Brad Stewart – Starter
Jahaziel Lee - Redshirt
Also when you add in the transfers of OL E. Froyman, AB JJ Green and DB Lamont Simmons, I can not but help see a huge diff between DC Ted Roof and his recruiting talents compared to the guys before him. What does this mean? the 2017 season will be the first season of four years of Ted Roof recruiting. (He has helped reopen Atlanta market, LA, FLA, Carolinas and Tenn, We are not recruiting the Washington DC, Maryland markets as much since Groh left) We are young and that the 2017 ,18 and 19 seasons should be fun years for the folks who would like us to be in the hunt for 9-1o win seasons ACC titles..
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Thank you for all the information!!!
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I'm sorry but roof has had enough time, I'm not doubting his recruiting because I think he is a very good recruiter, but he hasn't done much as a D coordinator at any other school, so why do you think he will with GT? The issue imo is our scheme, to run what we have you need Alabama type talent and size, it calls you to win the one on one battles and when the other team have superior athletes on offense that's not going to happen often. We don't have the size to run this style D imo.
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I disagree, we will never have the talent of bama becuase high school players who considers college nothing more than "the NFL minor league" are looking for the easiest route to that ultimate goal, the NFL, are not going to wrestle with the academic rigors at GT.
I think Ted Roof defense is improving every year as he gets his players in his system. I have seen improvement this year, if our offense was humming we would be praising both coaches like in 2014... However we are notthere yet... Lets see how this season unfolds and how we do in 2017 before we start calling for jobs... Ted Roof Defense has been way better then Al Groh....by a country mile
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I was curious, so I went and looked up Scout's average star ratings for recent GT signing classes. They are:
2016 2.83 TR
2015 2.93 TR
2014 2.90 TR
2013 2.86
2012 2.88
2011 2.73
2010 3.00
2009 2.95
I see no discernible uptick in recruiting based on "expert" opinions.
By the way, since I was there I also looked up a few of our Coastal competitors. These figures are for the 4 years 2012-2015 inclusive and are simple averages os the star rating of each class:
GT 2.89
Miami 3.23
UNC 3.16
VT 2.98
Pitt 2.97
Duke 2.68
Clemson 3.38
We'll see how this plays out, but we have lost a ton of close games to the teams on this list that are just a smudge better than us in recruiting. Duke is the one team on the list that would seem to have NO business competing with the others, and in fact while they are sometimes playing close games, the only team on that list they are actually winning against is....us. They have beaten us two years in a row. They have lost 2 in a row to the entire rest of the Coastal (I believe) after sweeping them all (except us) in 2013.
I know we all pooh-pooh recruiting rankings. And with some fair reasons. Our outstanding 2014 team was comprised of players from lower rated recruiting classes and yet we finished in the Top Ten at the end of the year. (NB- It is interesting to note that the 2 year recruiting rankings for GT from 2009-2010 (who would have been the senior leaders in 2014) was 2.975, slightly above our historical average). was Yet, on average, they do seem to be indicative. Our performance since 2014 would certainly suggest that the recruiting ratings are one indicator.
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Ok... Now look at Rivals, 247 and ESPN... then and only than can you say it is up or down... If you only use one system you are fooling yourself..
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I would use 247 composite rankings. I believe it's the average of all the major recruiting services.
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Either he's a great recruiter as you say, but something about GT (facilities, academic offerings, the Hill, etc.) prevent him from getting great players, or he's not a great recruiter.
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100% correct. I have been saying this for 3 years now.
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Since we're on the recruiting talk. Here's my facts
1. Any 4 or 5 star player that is a senior in high school has been approached by an agent. Agents "guide" them to which school to choose. If they are an All American Under Armor player, they have had multiple agents and colleges (illegally) contacting them. Heck, my buddy from the Marines, has a kind playing in NC. He is just 16 and Sophomore year in High School. The kid is 6' 4", throws 40 yards with no effort and run a 4.4. He has already had 3 sports agents, UNC, Duke, UGA, Miami, FSU and UVA all send "scouts" down to talk to him. He isn't even rated. But, as a Freshman he led his team to the state championship and so far, undefeated this year. Point is, the illegal stuff is happening. Anyone that says otherwise is a moron. GT plays by the rules, which sometimes puts them at a disadvantage. No shock to hear UGA contacted them. Was shocked about Duke, though.
2. Money...Cars....Girls...etc: I also know a certain school that gives cars to recruits that sign with them. Another friend of mine has an uncle serving time for fraud. He worked at the DMV and illegally took cars that boosters bought and washed it away, so that the school had no hands in it. Money? Houses? Look at USC (which should of been given the death penalty, like SMU) giving Reggie Bush's mom a house and a job (money). Girls, Oklahoma State.. Need I say more?
3. GT doesn't have the recruiting force that some "football factories" do. UGA, Bama, Clemson, Michigan, etc; All have big recruitment programs. GT, does not. Again.. disadvantage to us.
With all of this... You would expect GT to end up with 2 and 3 star type players. People want to know why GT doesn't sign these high ranked recruits. Well, there ya go. It's all about money. Has nothing to do with education.
1. Any 4 or 5 star player that is a senior in high school has been approached by an agent. Agents "guide" them to which school to choose. If they are an All American Under Armor player, they have had multiple agents and colleges (illegally) contacting them. Heck, my buddy from the Marines, has a kind playing in NC. He is just 16 and Sophomore year in High School. The kid is 6' 4", throws 40 yards with no effort and run a 4.4. He has already had 3 sports agents, UNC, Duke, UGA, Miami, FSU and UVA all send "scouts" down to talk to him. He isn't even rated. But, as a Freshman he led his team to the state championship and so far, undefeated this year. Point is, the illegal stuff is happening. Anyone that says otherwise is a moron. GT plays by the rules, which sometimes puts them at a disadvantage. No shock to hear UGA contacted them. Was shocked about Duke, though.
2. Money...Cars....Girls...etc: I also know a certain school that gives cars to recruits that sign with them. Another friend of mine has an uncle serving time for fraud. He worked at the DMV and illegally took cars that boosters bought and washed it away, so that the school had no hands in it. Money? Houses? Look at USC (which should of been given the death penalty, like SMU) giving Reggie Bush's mom a house and a job (money). Girls, Oklahoma State.. Need I say more?
3. GT doesn't have the recruiting force that some "football factories" do. UGA, Bama, Clemson, Michigan, etc; All have big recruitment programs. GT, does not. Again.. disadvantage to us.
With all of this... You would expect GT to end up with 2 and 3 star type players. People want to know why GT doesn't sign these high ranked recruits. Well, there ya go. It's all about money. Has nothing to do with education.
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I never said we will get Bama type players, what I'm sayin is our scheme we run takes those type of players. Also our D was awful in 2014, we were good at getting turnovers and that's about it. What do you see that has improved? Roof has 4 years of players, I'm sorry but once you have upser class men that you recruited you no longer have an excuse. If Roof had done something special at some other school (which I haven't seen) I would maybe say ok, one more year, but do you honestly think we will have a good D next year? I hope so but I just don't see it right now. LB's are slow looking and make tackles 3 and 4 yards from the los, db's are way off the los and we get eat up with screens and short routes, we only have one guy on the D line getting pressure, and are losing our best D linemen next year. I'm sorry but these things go to coaching and scheme. To read and react like we do you need superior athletes, we need to allow our guys to not have to think and just let them go. Get more exotic on blitz packages and stop blitzing at LB when you are 7 yards off the ball, run more stunts, stop faking the blitz and coming out of it way to early so the offense can adjust, these are all coaching things, it's like we fake a blitz and come out super early to make sure they get in coverage fast enough, what the point in even faking, the point of faking a blitz is to make the OL adjust on who they think they are blocking. We should not be content as a fan base with a D out of the top 30.
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Or he's a good recruiter, but not coaching the kids up, or playing them to their strengths. which imo it's playing then to their strengths.
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Pretty good look. I don't think Lee and Cooper are Redshirting this year. I know Lee's played, and I think Cooper has too.
Also, for those poo-pooing the more-time, we lost some significant talent from the 2012 and 2013 DL classes. That being said, I still tend to agree with those who say that we're not maximizing what could be done with our current talent through scheme.
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ONE of the BIG def problems that few people bring up is the Offense we run .They(our def) sees the this special RUNNING attack A LOT.They get use to this offense and players..It is very different than most Os we play against.Also, we don't have a either top passers nor top WRs so they don't practice vs the pass attacks other teams bring.Our answer to passes is to sit in a soft zone and HOPE they miss.Good luck.We are giving up about 70% completion and getting zip INTs. Of course not having a rush hurts also.
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Yes Cooper played in the Vandy game. ( If I remember right )
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... just saying that during the season the number one defense practices against the practice squad offense. And vice versa. At least that's my understanding.
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We also use our number 1/2 offense vs number 1/2 defense in passing skels, 7v7, and other drills. When we scrimmage in Spring and Fall, we will also have our number 1 offense run some sets for the defense, and we often run our base D against our O (rather than scheming against our O) in order to train gap discipline and eyes etc.
TIFWIW: Navy just defended Houston's passing attack better than anyone else this year. Army just defended Duke's passing attack better than anyone else this year.
We could be in the top 30 if we didn't self-impose so many handcuffs (calc, Cs, lab sci, Russell).