TECH VS MIAMI POSTGAME

bikeseat

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It pains me to say it...but Kirby smart has done an amazing job bringing in high end recruits who are tough, bought in, coachable. Not easy to manage 100 kids who have been told they're gods gift to college football since age 14.

Look no further than College Station to see what happens with basically the same tier of recruits without this culture.

Let's just say, I can't imagine any kid in Athens telling their coach they won't go in if they were cleared to play
 

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As much as it sucks for us fans, imagine how Sims feels.
Wish that Gibson balled out so we wouldn't have had to even consider Pyron having to lose his red shirt this year. But, that's not what happened and ZP appeared to give us the best shot to win games with Jeff being severely hobbled. With the bone break, ZP having to burn the shirt is no longer a conversation starter.
Hope that JS and ZP heal well and are able to come back 100%. (Of course wish the same for all of the injured...)
 

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Just sayin', but these guys endure a lot of physical abuse for our entertainment. Used to be, back in the good old days, the season was over after ten games.
What? You really believe todays players give any thought to fans? This isn’t the old days anymore. They don’t play for our entertainment in the least. They play for their own over inflated ego, all the freebies and benefits they get from the school, the 7nder the table dollars, and to be the big man back home. It‘s all ego driven these days. They could care less what jersey they are wearing. The old days are over and are not coming back.
 

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What? You really believe todays players give any thought to fans? This isn’t the old days anymore. They don’t play for our entertainment in the least. They play for their own over inflated ego, all the freebies and benefits they get from the school, the 7nder the table dollars, and to be the big man back home. It‘s all ego driven these days. They could care less what jersey they are wearing. The old days are over and are not coming back.
just say you don’t like young people and move on. let these men play for whatever reason they choose and be thankful we have kids willing to risk their health for our enjoyment.
 

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What? You really believe todays players give any thought to fans? This isn’t the old days anymore. They don’t play for our entertainment in the least. They play for their own over inflated ego, all the freebies and benefits they get from the school, the 7nder the table dollars, and to be the big man back home. It‘s all ego driven these days. They could care less what jersey they are wearing. The old days are over and are not coming back.
Well, okey doke then.
 

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What? You really believe todays players give any thought to fans? This isn’t the old days anymore. They don’t play for our entertainment in the least. They play for their own over inflated ego, all the freebies and benefits they get from the school, the 7nder the table dollars, and to be the big man back home. It‘s all ego driven these days. They could care less what jersey they are wearing. The old days are over and are not coming back.

Threy do play for our entertainment. The minute the fans quit being entertained, the money and fame dry up. I guarantee they aren't going to play for free in a sandlot somewhere...
 

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No doubt the 5-star and 4-star talent doesn't hurt but I think a lot of their success is due to the culture of physical, mental, and spiritual toughness he has created. It's something Georgia Tech needs to rebuild and incorporate to our football program going forward.

Go Jackets!
FIFY. See:



It can happen. IT WILL!
 

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What? You really believe todays players give any thought to fans? This isn’t the old days anymore. They don’t play for our entertainment in the least. They play for their own over inflated ego, all the freebies and benefits they get from the school, the 7nder the table dollars, and to be the big man back home. It‘s all ego driven these days. They could care less what jersey they are wearing. The old days are over and are not coming back.
Uh, the players have never given any thought to the fans. Like all team sports, those on the field want to win for their team and their teammates. They could care less about the fans who are usually more of a distraction then a help. (Well, ok, a team can feed off the fans reaction, but they aren't in the game for that.) And, btw, players have always been in the game for a particular school for what they might get out of it. The only difference now is that players can a) get more and b) what they get is out in the open.

Iow, there are no good ole days and there never were. I might add that it is the insistence of the crowds that teams win that has led to all of this; it isn't up to the players.
 

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So, here's some GameOnPaper stuff.
First, defense. If you can do it, go back and watch the game. Here's the condensed game (hopefully, no ads): .

First, Stop Rate--how much we made Miami punt, or turnover the ball, or turnover on downs--was 38%, which was really good considering they didn't actually turn the ball over. Havoc is "how much did we get into their backfield and do damage?", and the answer is pretty much that we didn't. We didn't do anything against their OL, and we needed to in order to win. That's been their weakness this season and we didn't or couldn't take advantage of it. We did try blitzing, but their receivers got free too quickly or we had busted coverages.

Nothing else good on the defensive side. It's not that our defense was bad on Saturday, but it wasn't as good as we needed it to be. It's the kind of defense that keeps you in a game where the offense is keeping you ahead, but we needed a defense that would win us the ball game.

Defensive ESPN team id 2390 ESPN team id 59
Scrimmage Plays6761
Stop Rate27%38%
Havoc Plays Created13 (19%)2 (3%)
  Passing7 (16%)0 (0%)
  Rushing6 (25%)2 (5%)
TFLs Generated92
  Passing30
  Rushing62
Sacks Generated2 (5%)0 (0%)
Passes Defensed00
Interceptions40
Fumbles Forced00

OK, offense.


Overall ESPN team id 2390 ESPN team id 59
EPA/Play0.17 71st %ile-0.26 8th %ile
Success Rate48% 77th %ile43% 57th %ile
Yards/Play5.98 50th %ile6.70 69th %ile
EPA/Dropback0.44 84th %ile-0.45 8th %ile
EPA/Rush0.05 53rd %ile0.06 55th %ile
Yards/Dropback7.16 63rd %ile5.16 30th %ile
Explosive Play Rate2% 2nd %ile7% 32nd %ile
3rd Down Success Rate62% 91st %ile33% 23rd %ile
Red Zone Success Rate80% 95th %ile38% 45th %ile
Def Run Stuff Rate29% 44th %ile19% 9th %ile
Havoc Rate3% 7th %ile19% 92nd %ile

EPA/Play: How much did our plays help lead to scores? It was the bottom 10%. We played a lot of football inside our own 10 and in our own side of the field. We threw four picks and killed our own scoring drives. After the first pick, somebody should have said "we need to get that 6'5" safety away from where the play is going".

Our rushing game was actually OK. Not "win the game, OK", but helpful. We should have run the ball more. Completing some of the swing passes to the backs would have helped. We had some "high percentage" plays that weren't high percentage for us.

Success rate: we moved the chains pretty well. We just self-destructed. Drive ending interceptions are worse than field goals. Yards/play: we were ahead of Miami on this front--unfortunately, that tells you what a 4 turnover deficit can do to a team.

Yards/dropback: We still have a lot of passes behind the line of scrimmage, and we had too many incomplete passes. The passing game really let us down Saturday, and it wasn't all Miami--our passing was inaccurate and we didn't get enough completions. You might think that 56% completion percentage is fine, but it really wasn't. Pyron had an acceptable QBR, but I don't think that really tells the story. We didn't distribute the ball well enough.

The red zone numbers are technically better than normal, but that's mostly because we self-destructed before getting into the red zone.

On Miami's side, they were golden in the red zone. That's deadly.

C/ATTYDSAVGTDINTQBR
Zach Gibson12/211205.7129.2
Zach Pyron12/221145.21259.9
TEAM24/432345.424--

Some of these stats below are just wrong. Hassan Hall is shown here with 5 catches on 5 targets, and that's not true. There were multiple swing passes to Hall in the backfield that were incomplete. Every receiver is 100% on their catches vs targets. We'll have to wait for the PFF results, but one big problem is that Miami knew who we were trying to target and put multiple defenders on Carter and McCollum. We seem to lock in on a couple of receivers, and that hurt us yesterday. We needed the "third" receiver to have a big day, and that didn't happen.

I'm sharing this table, but just know that there's something wrong with the ESPN stats behind them.

Pass TargetsStat lineYards/playEPA/playEPASRWPA
Nate McCollum7 catches (7 targets), 90 yds, 1 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)12.861.158.0871%14.0%
Malik Rutherford2 catches (2 targets), 33 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)16.501.883.77100%0.0%
Peje' Harris1 catch (1 target), 23 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)23.001.751.75100%0.0%
Jamie Felix3 catches (3 targets), 19 yds, 1 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)6.330.551.6467%0.0%
Malachi Carter2 catches (2 targets), 24 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)12.000.741.48100%0.0%
Luke Benson1 catch (1 target), 9 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)9.000.970.97100%0.0%
Dontae Smith1 catch (1 target), 5 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)5.000.230.23100%1.0%
Hassan Hall5 catches (5 targets), 19 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)3.80-0.16-0.8160%-4.0%

Here are the ESPN stats (no targets). Carter was pretty much silenced by Miami.
RECYDSAVGTDLONG
Nate McCollum810112.6142
Malik Rutherford23316.5027
Malachi Carter22412.0017
Peje' Harris12323.0023
Jamie Felix3196.3114
Hassan Hall5193.808
Luke Benson199.009
Dontae Smith263.005
TEAM242349.8242

For rushing, Saturday wasn't a Hassan Hall day. It looks like Dontae Smith should have seen a lot more action.
Rush AttemptsStat lineYards/playEPA/playEPASRWPA
Zach Pyron7 carries, 67 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)9.570.745.1871%10.0%
Zach Gibson1 carry, 6 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)6.000.100.10100%0.0%
Jamie Felix4 carries, 18 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)4.50-0.06-0.2625%-3.0%
Dontae Smith5 carries, 27 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)5.40-0.11-0.5440%0.0%
Hassan Hall7 carries, 14 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)2.00-0.42-2.9343%-9.0%
 

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So, here's some GameOnPaper stuff.
First, defense. If you can do it, go back and watch the game. Here's the condensed game (hopefully, no ads): .

First, Stop Rate--how much we made Miami punt, or turnover the ball, or turnover on downs--was 38%, which was really good considering they didn't actually turn the ball over. Havoc is "how much did we get into their backfield and do damage?", and the answer is pretty much that we didn't. We didn't do anything against their OL, and we needed to in order to win. That's been their weakness this season and we didn't or couldn't take advantage of it. We did try blitzing, but their receivers got free too quickly or we had busted coverages.

Nothing else good on the defensive side. It's not that our defense was bad on Saturday, but it wasn't as good as we needed it to be. It's the kind of defense that keeps you in a game where the offense is keeping you ahead, but we needed a defense that would win us the ball game.

Defensive ESPN team id 2390 ESPN team id 59
Scrimmage Plays6761
Stop Rate27%38%
Havoc Plays Created13 (19%)2 (3%)
  Passing7 (16%)0 (0%)
  Rushing6 (25%)2 (5%)
TFLs Generated92
  Passing30
  Rushing62
Sacks Generated2 (5%)0 (0%)
Passes Defensed00
Interceptions40
Fumbles Forced00

OK, offense.


Overall ESPN team id 2390 ESPN team id 59
EPA/Play0.17 71st %ile-0.26 8th %ile
Success Rate48% 77th %ile43% 57th %ile
Yards/Play5.98 50th %ile6.70 69th %ile
EPA/Dropback0.44 84th %ile-0.45 8th %ile
EPA/Rush0.05 53rd %ile0.06 55th %ile
Yards/Dropback7.16 63rd %ile5.16 30th %ile
Explosive Play Rate2% 2nd %ile7% 32nd %ile
3rd Down Success Rate62% 91st %ile33% 23rd %ile
Red Zone Success Rate80% 95th %ile38% 45th %ile
Def Run Stuff Rate29% 44th %ile19% 9th %ile
Havoc Rate3% 7th %ile19% 92nd %ile

EPA/Play: How much did our plays help lead to scores? It was the bottom 10%. We played a lot of football inside our own 10 and in our own side of the field. We threw four picks and killed our own scoring drives. After the first pick, somebody should have said "we need to get that 6'5" safety away from where the play is going".

Our rushing game was actually OK. Not "win the game, OK", but helpful. We should have run the ball more. Completing some of the swing passes to the backs would have helped. We had some "high percentage" plays that weren't high percentage for us.

Success rate: we moved the chains pretty well. We just self-destructed. Drive ending interceptions are worse than field goals. Yards/play: we were ahead of Miami on this front--unfortunately, that tells you what a 4 turnover deficit can do to a team.

Yards/dropback: We still have a lot of passes behind the line of scrimmage, and we had too many incomplete passes. The passing game really let us down Saturday, and it wasn't all Miami--our passing was inaccurate and we didn't get enough completions. You might think that 56% completion percentage is fine, but it really wasn't. Pyron had an acceptable QBR, but I don't think that really tells the story. We didn't distribute the ball well enough.

The red zone numbers are technically better than normal, but that's mostly because we self-destructed before getting into the red zone.

On Miami's side, they were golden in the red zone. That's deadly.

C/ATTYDSAVGTDINTQBR
Zach Gibson12/211205.7129.2
Zach Pyron12/221145.21259.9
TEAM24/432345.424--

Some of these stats below are just wrong. Hassan Hall is shown here with 5 catches on 5 targets, and that's not true. There were multiple swing passes to Hall in the backfield that were incomplete. Every receiver is 100% on their catches vs targets. We'll have to wait for the PFF results, but one big problem is that Miami knew who we were trying to target and put multiple defenders on Carter and McCollum. We seem to lock in on a couple of receivers, and that hurt us yesterday. We needed the "third" receiver to have a big day, and that didn't happen.

I'm sharing this table, but just know that there's something wrong with the ESPN stats behind them.

Pass TargetsStat lineYards/playEPA/playEPASRWPA
Nate McCollum7 catches (7 targets), 90 yds, 1 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)12.861.158.0871%14.0%
Malik Rutherford2 catches (2 targets), 33 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)16.501.883.77100%0.0%
Peje' Harris1 catch (1 target), 23 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)23.001.751.75100%0.0%
Jamie Felix3 catches (3 targets), 19 yds, 1 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)6.330.551.6467%0.0%
Malachi Carter2 catches (2 targets), 24 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)12.000.741.48100%0.0%
Luke Benson1 catch (1 target), 9 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)9.000.970.97100%0.0%
Dontae Smith1 catch (1 target), 5 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)5.000.230.23100%1.0%
Hassan Hall5 catches (5 targets), 19 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)3.80-0.16-0.8160%-4.0%

Here are the ESPN stats (no targets). Carter was pretty much silenced by Miami.
RECYDSAVGTDLONG
Nate McCollum810112.6142
Malik Rutherford23316.5027
Malachi Carter22412.0017
Peje' Harris12323.0023
Jamie Felix3196.3114
Hassan Hall5193.808
Luke Benson199.009
Dontae Smith263.005
TEAM242349.8242

For rushing, Saturday wasn't a Hassan Hall day. It looks like Dontae Smith should have seen a lot more action.
Rush AttemptsStat lineYards/playEPA/playEPASRWPA
Zach Pyron7 carries, 67 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)9.570.745.1871%10.0%
Zach Gibson1 carry, 6 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)6.000.100.10100%0.0%
Jamie Felix4 carries, 18 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)4.50-0.06-0.2625%-3.0%
Dontae Smith5 carries, 27 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)5.40-0.11-0.5440%0.0%
Hassan Hall7 carries, 14 yds, 0 TD, 0 Fum (0 lost)2.00-0.42-2.9343%-9.0%


Jeebus, our 3 running backs didn't add up to Pyron.
 

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keep in mind his family has read all the comments related to the rampant speculation about his injury. really low moment for our fanbase
 

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And of our three RBs who had the most yards per carry? Again? Smith, of course. For the sake of all that's holy, give the guy 20 carries and let's see what happens. RB by committee simply stalls out the RBs without getting them into the flow of the game.
 

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keep in mind his family has read all the comments related to the rampant speculation about his injury. really low moment for our fanbase
OK... I am going a different direction. I will give the benefit of the doubt here and say he's not healthy to go. If so, WHY IS OUR COACHING STAFF INSINUATING OTHERWISE?

I have seen a lot of speculation about what constitutes an "emergency" since we have been told for 3 weeks, Sims is good to go in an "emergency." This would have been an easy thing to dispel during a press conference by saying something to the effect of: "Sims is hurt. He was going to go in an emergency, but we are not going to put him in a bad situation when we have other quarterbacks available. We expect our back ups to be ready to play and we expect their teammates to execute around them; this type of situation does not constitute an emergency where we would potentially jeopardize the health of a player."

OK, Key is caught off guard in the heat of a post game press conference... fine. Then say it now.

Everything around this situation sounds like individual factions doing damage control.
 
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