ESPNjacket
Helluva Engineer
- Messages
- 1,531
It doesn’t sound good for the AD and the firm he contracted with to investigate the matter.
How so? There seem to be a lot of conclusions being drawn from little information throughout this thread.
It doesn’t sound good for the AD and the firm he contracted with to investigate the matter.
Yeah I agree. Joseph saying the guy "seemed inexperienced" is her just trying to blame anyone but herself.How so? There seem to be a lot of conclusions being drawn from little information throughout this thread.
Dude...it's the internet!How so? There seem to be a lot of conclusions being drawn from little information throughout this thread.
I’m curious if anyone knows how much money the women’s basketball program brings in versus how much it costs to operate. It seems to me that the program would be lucky to break even and now we are learning that GT will likely end up in court and could end up paying damages. Does the potential exposure from small athletic programs outweigh the benefits?
You know...think about it...this is all because a couple of young ladies didn't like being yelled at by their coach. What a waste of time and money.
Some mid-major names I like:So who do we go after and hire?
As long as Title IX is on the books, schools have to "provide equitable opportunity" to play for both men & women. Football is exempt.
- Scholarships: Title IX requires that female and male student-athletes receive athletics scholarship dollars proportional to their participation; and
- Other benefits: Title IX requires the equal treatment of female and male student-athletes in the provisions of: (a) equipment and supplies; (b) scheduling of games and practice times; (c) travel and daily allowance/per diem; (d) access to tutoring; (e) coaching, (f) locker rooms, practice and competitive facilities; (g) medical and training facilities and services; (h) housing and dining facilities and services; (i) publicity and promotions; (j) support services and (k) recruitment of student-athletes.
Are you proposing we substitute them out with Women’s LaCrosse or whatever sport is left to pick up in the A.C.C.? Just asking, not trying to be smart about it. I’ve followed the Team since Benny Dees was H.C.My thought is that if WBB barely breaks even or loses money, is this exposure worth having the program. It looks like they don’t have to offer WBB just because they offer MBB. Regardless, it was just a passing thought. Surely there are other programs, men and women, that are in the same boat.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/inclusion/title-ix-frequently-asked-questions#athletics
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
A couple left the team, but, according to what was released, EVERY player on the team had complained about the treatment.You know...think about it...this is all because a couple of young ladies didn't like being yelled at by their coach. What a waste of time and money.
The Northern Kentucky coach is facing the same allegations ... mistreatment of players. That is under investigation now.Look,
I’m on the young side so I’m might not have the same opinions as a lot of the board here, but if the language used to Coach Jo in the reports is accurate, then it is grounds for firing. I don’t care what was acceptable in the past, how others had been treated. That is not an acceptable way to treat people who you are supposed to be leading and encouraging and trying to make better. End of story.
My thought is that if WBB barely breaks even or loses money, is this exposure worth having the program. It looks like they don’t have to offer WBB just because they offer MBB.
If both side allegations are true....she used bad words against players, and GTAA did not treat the men's and women's teams equally, GTAA will lose big.How so? There seem to be a lot of conclusions being drawn from little information throughout this thread.
Before I read Coach Joseph's response, I had looked up the Investigator and my first thought was that he seems inexperienced. Here is official bio. He has been a lawyer for 5 years.Yeah I agree. Joseph saying the guy "seemed inexperienced" is her just trying to blame anyone but herself.
The question is, how much of this gets tied back to TStan? If he ultimately is the one that signed off on different standards for the men's and women's teams (if the allegation are true) he will not last long.I stand by my $75M lawsuit with a $5-10M settlement although GT’s release of that report coupled with Joseph’s response complicates matters & not in a good way for GT. It could go north of that without much trouble.
The question is, how much of this gets tied back to TStan? If he ultimately is the one that signed off on different standards for the men's and women's teams (if the allegation are true) he will not last long.
What it does not say is that colleges have to pay their coaches the same for men's and women's basketball and it does not say that the women's team coaches can treat their players exactly like the men's team coaches treat their players. WBB at almost every college is losing money compared to the ticket revenue. That is OK. College sports should not be on a revenue neutral basis. The same can be said for men's tennis and baseball.My thought is that if WBB barely breaks even or loses money, is this exposure worth having the program. It looks like they don’t have to offer WBB just because they offer MBB. Regardless, it was just a passing thought. Surely there are other programs, men and women, that are in the same boat.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/inclusion/title-ix-frequently-asked-questions#athletics
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I'm not a lawyer, but wouldn't the football/basketball players have to show that they, either individually or as a team, felt they were victimized by the coach in order for their to be an apples to apples comparison? In other words, Johnson likely yelled a lot and, early on, grabbed some players by their facemasks. He was likely told to cool it on doing that as it was a bad look for him and the school. As far as we know, no player went to the Administration or media stating that they felt victimized by his tactics. Conversely, the ENTIRE team feels victimized by how Coach Joseph was treating players and staff. I would think anyone would forgive an instance or two and give a coach the chance to change their behavior, but it seems like this was not stop relentless demeaning behavior towards players and staff. If it was a one off, likely not a big deal, but the evidence is pretty damning when your whole team basically says they felt victimized by her.
And would commentary from a player (Vitakunis?) who got unnecessarily put in harm's way over 20 years ago really indicate that GT looks the other way when comparing men's and women's sports/coaches? I'd say that things have changed in the past 12-24 months and if you did behave badly in the past, you need to be smart enough to realize it and change your behavior quickly to the current modicum of coach/team behavior.
And perhaps you do have to coach men and women differently and understand that in some general sense, women take the Bobby Knight style way worse than men do. I have coached high school aged girls basketball for 25 years and would never drop f-bombs or those sort of insults at girls. Perhaps I'd be a bit more loose with boys, but why put yourself in that position? Unfortunate situation all the way around. Seems like she could get talent, but never get over the top in the ACC or NCAA tourney and has a lot of players leaving. Too bad she couldn't adjust her style, both on and off the court and take it to the next level.
I can't imagine her coaching in college again after this report being released, so it is really a life time sentence from that perspective.
And another black eye for GT.