recruiting classes and off topic posts

[dressedcheeseside]

I think the problem a lot of people here have is that this analogy is off.

It isn't: "Well boss, this company has always been like this so why shoot for these large increases in sales? We are what we are, boss. History says so."

It's "Comrades! Don't tell us at GOSPLAN what the limits on our engineering expertise or our present resource production are! Bolsheviks can storm any fortress!"

This got a great country into a lot of trouble. It isn't that we shouldn't be optimistic. It's that we have to be ready for a long haul while we build - wait for it - the infrastructure we need to recruit up to Tech's potential. And we need to remember that that potential is not unlimited. If we stick to that and stay reasonably patient, I don't doubt that we'll have success under Coach. If not, we'll toss him because he can't fulfill our overheated expectations.

But yet who built those expectations?

 

[iceeater1969]

But yet who built those expectations?

You might think about the bank that holds the 220,000,000 note.

The bank has expectations?

Tstan is trying his best to make gt elite.

 

[ncjacket79]

Don't have an argument with anything you said. I just don't anticipate that Tech will all of a sudden become a perennial top 20 team (very few teams are) I expect that we may see a slight up tick, but in the end, return to the historical average.....an occasional great year, an occasional really bad year, and mostly being a little about e .500.

You live in what seems to be a very depressing world man. Most of us would rather set our sights a bit higher and have a little fun.

 

[Animal02]

You live in what seems to be a very depressing world man. Most of us would rather set our sights a bit higher and have a little fun.

Not depressing at all.....simply realistic.

 

[ncjacket79]

Not depressing at all.....simply realistic.

Sounds the same to me. Why is it people who claim to be realistic are always negative? Your drumbeat basically is we are what we are and will never be any better. Are you Dave Braine?
But don’t worry most Tech grads believe that by being smarter and working harder you can achieve great things. It may not be overnight but it can be done.

 

[TheSilasSonRising]

So you walk into the Porsche dealership with 2k and a 10k line of credit and expect to walk out with a Carrera.....most people know to temper their expectations.

And some need to realize, given the scenario described, that there is nothing fantastic about walking out of that dealership with a 2001 Mazda with 416,839 miles on it and saying IIWII.

 

[RickStromFan]

And some need to realize, given the scenario described, that there is nothing fantastic about walking out of that dealership with a 2001 Mazda with 416,839 miles on it and saying IIWII.

Yep, leaving 9K on the table and trying to act like an 18 yr old clunker is the best you could do is weak sauce.

 

[Animal02]

Sounds the same to me. Why is it people who claim to be realistic are always negative? Your drumbeat basically is we are what we are and will never be any better. Are you Dave Braine?
But don’t worry most Tech grads believe that by being smarter and working harder you can achieve great things. It may not be overnight but it can be done.

Definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting different results. An engineer should know that. Without structural changes.....which go far beyond a HC and offensive scheme, nothing will drastically change

 

[Southpawmac]

Definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting different results. An engineer should know that. Without structural changes.....which go far beyond a HC and offensive scheme, nothing will drastically change

All Clemson did was hire a new HC. Seemed to work out pretty well for them.

 

[Animal02]

All Clemson did was hire a new HC. Seemed to work out pretty well for them.

All? I guess you never bothered to look at their spending.

 

[takethepoints]

All Clemson did was hire a new HC. Seemed to work out pretty well for them.

That's because they didn't have to change anything else. They already had:
• admissions standards that would allow them to take most elite athletes,
• a wide-ranging curriculum,
• a position as the main football power in their state,
• a well-oiled machine for generating money from a substantial alumni base, and
• proximity to one of the great football states in the country (guess who?) where they had recruited successfully for years.
And they had ADs who were willing to keep them on a financial par or better with other ACC football programs. It isn't much of a surprise that they were able to turn their program into what it is today.

Now contrast this picture with Tech and you'll see why Coach has a much harder row to hoe then Dabo ever did. As I keep saying, I hope he succeeds in fulfilling the expectations some here now have for the program. But I would take the same level of success we had under Paul and be happy with it.

 

[Southpawmac]

That's because they didn't have to change anything else. They already had:
• admissions standards that would allow them to take most elite athletes,
• a wide-ranging curriculum,
• a position as the main football power in their state,
• a well-oiled machine for generating money from a substantial alumni base, and
• proximity to one of the great football states in the country (guess who?) where they had recruited successfully for years.
And they had ADs who were willing to keep them on a financial par or better with other ACC football programs. It isn't much of a surprise that they were able to turn their program into what it is today.

Now contrast this picture with Tech and you'll see why Coach has a much harder row to hoe then Dabo ever did. As I keep saying, I hope he succeeds in fulfilling the expectations some here now have for the program. But I would take the same level of success we had under Paul and be happy with it.

Animal literally said "Definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting different results......which go far beyond a HC and offensive scheme, nothing will drastically change" which is why I said "all Clemson did was hire a new HC". So you saying "That's because they didn't have to change anything else." just makes my point. Regardless of other factors, all they did was change their HC and got different results. They went from being up and down program to being a yearly national title contender. I wasn't saying that hiring CGC will make us a consistent top five team or that it would be easy, I was merely making the point that just getting the right coach can make a big difference from the previous regime.

 

[Animal02]

Animal literally said "Definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting different results......which go far beyond a HC and offensive scheme, nothing will drastically change" which is why I said "all Clemson did was hire a new HC". So you saying "That's because they didn't have to change anything else." just makes my point. Regardless of other factors, all they did was change their HC and got different results. They went from being up and down program to being a yearly national title contender. I wasn't saying that hiring CGC will make us a consistent top five team or that it would be easy, I was merely making the point that just getting the right coach can make a big difference from the previous regime.

First you make an apples to watermelon comparison.....and then you keep ignoring the spending factor.

 

[iceeater1969]

Without Dabo and with the wrong coach, Clemson (with all his advantages) could have reverted our level. With Dabo they are super elite.

If cgc turns out to be our Dabo, we can be mentioned in the area of elite and occasionally be elite.

And yes if in 2010 the AD and had begged for money for recruiting and not just buildings , Coach would still be here. .


We are starting now but will never be uga, Clemson, ala in football or Duke, unc, Virginia in basketball . The last 2 years numbers show that we are their fcs competition. I am cautiously optimistic we can build a" self sustaining " broad based program that can regularly play them tough. If we have a real program and add a genius OC like Coach, then we can beat them fairly often. They are super elite.

 

[Animal02]

Animal literally said "Definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting different results......which go far beyond a HC and offensive scheme, nothing will drastically change" which is why I said "all Clemson did was hire a new HC". So you saying "That's because they didn't have to change anything else." just makes my point. Regardless of other factors, all they did was change their HC and got different results. They went from being up and down program to being a yearly national title contender. I wasn't saying that hiring CGC will make us a consistent top five team or that it would be easy, I was merely making the point that just getting the right coach can make a big difference from the previous regime.

From 2007 GT spending increased 130% from 3,113,877 to 6,439,650 in 2016. At the same time, Clemson went from 3,339, 975 to 9,922,683 an increase of 227%
Clemson went from spending pretty much the same as Tech to over 50% more per year...........but go ahead......claim it was ONLY a coaching change difference

Not to mention the leg up Clemson already had as outlined by takethepoints.

 

[takethepoints]

The last 2 years numbers show that we are their fcs competition. I am cautiously optimistic we can build a" self sustaining " broad based program that can regularly play them tough. If we have a real program and add a genius OC like Coach, then we can beat them fairly often. They are super elite.

The last four years show we can and have whipped them. Not as regularly as one might like, but enough so that we are not "their FCS competition". The last two years have been rougher for us - and for everybody else that plays the Tiggers and Ugag. Both programs are on a ride now. That might last for another decade or it might not; college football is unpredictable (see FSZoo, Texas, etc.). But we are not close to being helpless against these people. And we can get better, especially if we can avoid injuries at crucial positions.

As for basketball, it is much the same story. If Okogie had decided to stay, Tech would have won somewhere between 20 - 25 games and we'd be looking at an NCAA bid. Can't blame him for leaving; he's starting for the Timberwolves as a rookie. But you can't really blame Pastner either.

In short, I think we tend to forget recent Tech athletic history. I don't blame anyone for that unless they are - unlike you - doing it for rhetorical purposes.

 

[ncjacket79]

From 2007 GT spending increased 130% from 3,113,877 to 6,439,650 in 2016. At the same time, Clemson went from 3,339, 975 to 9,922,683 an increase of 227%
Clemson went from spending pretty much the same as Tech to over 50% more per year...........but go ahead......claim it was ONLY a coaching change difference

Not to mention the leg up Clemson already had as outlined by takethepoints.

The question in why. Did they just decide to spend more and Dabo lucked out by being in the right place or did Dabo get them excited about the program and the money came because of it? Just maybe we will find out.

 

[beerbuzz]

Definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting different results. An engineer should know that. Without structural changes.....which go far beyond a HC and offensive scheme, nothing will drastically change

What structurally changed before/after Boss Ross left?

 

[WrongShadeOfGold]

Without Dabo and with the wrong coach, Clemson (with all his advantages) could have reverted our level. With Dabo they are super elite.

If cgc turns out to be our Dabo, we can be mentioned in the area of elite and occasionally be elite.

And yes if in 2010 the AD and had begged for money for recruiting and not just buildings , Coach would still be here. .


We are starting now but will never be uga, Clemson, ala in football or Duke, unc, Virginia in basketball . The last 2 years numbers show that we are their fcs competition. I am cautiously optimistic we can build a" self sustaining " broad based program that can regularly play them tough. If we have a real program and add a genius OC like Coach, then we can beat them fairly often. They are super elite.

I agree with most of your post, but why don't you think we could be UVA in basketball? All they did was hire a good coach. They don't have any other inherent advantages over us.

 

[Animal02]

I agree with most of your post, but why don't you think we could be UVA in basketball? All they did was hire a good coach. They don't have any other inherent advantages over us.

Yeah...it is not like they offer a whole lot of non stem degrees