Virginia postgame discussion

[tech_wreck47]

The entire ****ing game matters. Not just the last 5 minutes.

Also the O didn't score on their last drive, so why didn't that drive matter?

I never said the last 5 minutes was the only thing that mattered. You are right the entire game is what matters.

It mattered when the D gave up 3 long TD passes, or do you not think that mattered? It mattered when they didn't make a stop at the end of the game, and that's something the D has struggled with a lot this year.

It also mattered when the O turned the ball over, fumbled in the end zone, and didn't block well.

And it mattered that the special teams caused the Offense to start behind the 10 yard line just like they caused the D to have short fields. It's funny you mention the D having short fields but don't mention the offense having to start at its own 2 yard line and being backed up inside the ten 3 or 4 times, why do you ignore that? It also mattered when the special teams gave up a TD.

You know what else mattered? When the offense scored to open the second half and put up 21 points in 31 minutes. It also mattered when they scored a 2 point conversion, and scored late in the game to take a lead.

It also mattered when the D stopped Virginia with 3 and outs after having a short field, and creating turnovers (Bruce swilling could turn out to be a beast for us).

If we are going to blame it on any one part of the game I think special teams would be the one, but even then the offense and defense contributed to the loss in a major way as well.

 

[tech_wreck47]

I read that comment and it was nonsense since it still claimed that the defense gave up 38 and still tries to over glorify the last 5 minutes of a game as if it is more important than the rest of the game.

I know what you think. What you think is silly.

Offense scored 4 TDs, one coming off a TO deep in UVA territory, gave UVA a turnover deep in our territory, couldn't capitalize off a blocked punt. But they scored on their second to last possession so that apparently means they came in "clutch" when it "mattered".

ST was terrible outside of the blocked punt. And they blocked a punt.

Defense gave up 31 points, but 17 of those off of short fields for UVA, scored 7 themselves, and effectively scored 7 more through a turnover deep in UVA territory. Gave up a last drive TD to UVA so apparently they didn't get it done when it mattered even though for 5 drives after UVA tied it up, they went punt, punt, FG off a short field, punt, punt, with three of those being 3 and outs. But apparently that isn't being clutch or performing when it matters. Because reasons.

The fact is only one side of the ball played anything near well today. And the defense did play well. This wasn't a team loss. The loss was on terrible special teams, and well below average offense. And a good defense couldn't overcome that.

Ok, I guess we just see it different. 3 long TD passes are unacceptable imo. But if you are ok with them so be it.


I think your missing the fact that even though the D had short fields they gave up big plays.

And I'll even give you that the D was clutch at times. Look at my above post where I said they had 3 and outs. But it still doesn't take away the the O, D, and ST are all the reason as to why we lost.

 

[ezbee]

I'm not sure where you got that adage from, but no, it's not a prerequisite for winning in the rain...

So how many points do we need to score?

We were awful in all phases. Team loss though our d looked a lot better with the ridiculous amount of wide open drops by the cavs. Special teams definitely gets the prize for most putrid though.

All that said, we beat the pups. Guaranteed.

 

[Milwaukee]

Ok, I guess we just see it different. 3 long TD passes are unacceptable imo. But if you are ok with them so be it.


I think your missing the fact that even though the D had short fields they gave up big plays.

Huh?

 

[DvilleJacket]

We sure are missing all those big plays Lynch provided last year.

 

[tech_wreck47]

Huh?

What?

 

[lv20gt]

It mattered when the D gave up 3 long TD passes, or do you not think that mattered? It mattered when they didn't make a stop at the end of the game, and that's something the D has struggled with a lot this year.

News flash, just because the defense gave up some points doesn't mean they should be blamed. Defenses are going to give up points. It is unavoidable. UVA had 2 real scoring drives. You trying to spin that into 3 "long" pass plays as if that makes it worse than taking 5 or 6 plays to score from our 30 is asinine. It's not like they were hitting 60 yard bombs on us. They had 5 passes over over 30, but less than 40, in 17 drives. When you aks your defense to defend for 17 drives, the other team is going to get some good plays.

And it mattered that the special teams caused the Offense to start behind the 10 yard line just like they caused the D to have short fields. It's funny you mention the D having short fields but don't mention the offense having to start at its own 2 yard line and being backed up inside the ten 3 or 4 times, why do you ignore that? It also mattered when the special teams gave up a TD.

1. I didn't ignore that. The ST played like hot garbage. Nobody is debating that. The point is that it's stupid to blame the defense. Your'e entire argument was based on total points given up, which is so incredibly skewed because ST and the offense, and the last drive. 2. The offense was also given the ball at the GT 47, the UVA 45, and the UVA 14. The offense was backed up several times, but also given great field position several times.

You know what else mattered? When the offense scored to open the second half and put up 21 points in 31 minutes. It also mattered when they scored a 2 point conversion, and scored late in the game to take a lead.

21 points in 31 minutes? How is that impressive when 1 of those TDs came on a 14 yard drive and another when they got the ball at the 47? And then they proceeded to INT, punt, punt, punt, int, safety on the 6 drives after that? We had 17 drives this game. 17. Barring the drive starting at the 14 yard line, we scored 3 TDs on 16 drives. That's not good in any way, shape, or form. Sorry but doing well in 3 out of 16 opportunities doesn't mean they didn't play like trash. Likewise, the defense having a handful of "big" plays given up doesn't mean the didn't play really well.

The fact is, in this game, the D's mistakes were the exceptions to their general play, the O's mistakes were the norm of their general play. and the special teams was just putrid except for one individual play.

 

[tech_wreck47]

News flash, just because the defense gave up some points doesn't mean they should be blamed. Defenses are going to give up points. It is unavoidable. UVA had 2 real scoring drives. You trying to spin that into 3 "long" pass plays as if that makes it worse than taking 5 or 6 plays to score from our 30 is asinine. It's not like they were hitting 60 yard bombs on us. They had 5 passes over over 30, but less than 40, in 17 drives. When you aks your defense to defend for 17 drives, the other team is going to get some good plays.




1. I didn't ignore that. The ST played like hot garbage. Nobody is debating that. The point is that it's stupid to blame the defense. Your'e entire argument was based on total points given up, which is so incredibly skewed because ST and the offense, and the last drive. 2. The offense was also given the ball at the GT 47, the UVA 45, and the UVA 14. The offense was backed up several times, but also given great field position several times.



21 points in 31 minutes? How is that impressive when 1 of those TDs came on a 14 yard drive and another when they got the ball at the 47? And then they proceeded to INT, punt, punt, punt, int, safety on the 6 drives after that? We had 17 drives this game. 17. Barring the drive starting at the 14 yard line, we scored 3 TDs on 16 drives. That's not good in any way, shape, or form. Sorry but doing well in 3 out of 16 opportunities doesn't mean they didn't play like trash. Likewise, the defense having a handful of "big" plays given up doesn't mean the didn't play really well.

The fact is, in this game, the D's mistakes were the exceptions to their general play, the O's mistakes were the norm of their general play. and the special teams was just putrid except for one individual play.

I'm saying this was a team loss you're saying it's not. We obviously see it differently. BTW I will blame the offense when I believe they were the cause of a loss, like the Miami game. I just don't see it in the game. I also understand a D will give up points. But I don't understand long TD passes along with other things. But I'm done with this argument, it's pretty pointless.

 

[FightWinDrink]

We sure are missing all those big plays Lynch provided last year.

or any play back when we actually used the a backs

 

[33jacket]

We had the lead with 3 mins left. Regardless of how the o d or sp teams played up to that point. We had the lead with 3 mins left and lost.

We had the lead vs miami in the same scenario.

We also were beating ut the same way.

In all those games. We had the lead. Blame the o. Blame the d. Blame the sp teams. But. When you have the lead with 3 mins or less and lose EVERY time. The d will get blamed. Right. Wrong or not.

The o sucked. So did the sp teams. But we had the lead in closeout time again and couldn’t do it folks. Iiwii.

The d will get the blame.

 

[awbuzz]

Every O is figured out. It is a matter of execution, and the ability of the athletes on the opposing team.

Why is it so hard for people to understand this? Blinders? Severe myopia?

 

[Treb1982]

We just are not a very good team we have a rb playing qb.... How hard is it the get an actual qb to play in this system

 

[awbuzz]

71% of all stats are made up on the spot...

I thought it was 72%

 

[Jmonty71]

No but he's saying the three losses weren't just on the D. Missed field goals against UT. Offense not moving the ball against Miami, and bad blocking and special teams this game. They were all three team losses.

And. I am saying. We had the lead in the 4th qtr only to have the D fail to make the late game stops. But, it seems nobody sees that.

 

[awbuzz]

We had the lead with 3 mins left. Regardless of how the o d or sp teams played up to that point. We had the lead with 3 mins left and lost.

We had the lead vs miami in the same scenario.

We also were beating ut the same way.

In all those games. We had the lead. Blame the o. Blame the d. Blame the sp teams. But. When you have the lead with 3 mins or less and lose EVERY time. The d will get blamed. Right. Wrong or not.

The o sucked. So did the sp teams. But we had the lead in closeout time again and couldn’t do it folks. Iiwii.

The d will get the blame.

Damn good summation of how it is in the real world.

 

[tech_wreck47]

And. I am saying. We had the lead in the 4th qtr only to have the D fail to make the late game stops. But, it seems nobody sees that.

No, I get that but the other things still played a role in the losses. A fumble, a Kickoff return for a TD ect. That stuff still matters. Take things away like that and a last minute TD might not even matter.

 

[GTFLETCH]

Is it me, or was Step Durham, Will Bryan also held out of the game... Were they injured??

 

[TechMom]

We sure are missing all those big plays Lynch provided last year.

He's coming off the bench, pass blocking on 3rd down. A "reward" for leading the team in all-purpose yards last year?

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

No, I get that but the other things still played a role in the losses. A fumble, a Kickoff return for a TD ect. That stuff still matters. Take things away like that and a last minute TD might not even matter.

What everyone is missing is how vital field position is. ST and O combine to continually give the opposing team favorable field position and yet we're shocked when they capitalize on it.

 

[Texwood]

I think having no rotation on the interior DL played a big role in this game. Glanton is not a 1-technique...full stop. To ask him to play more than 90% of 68 snaps at the 1-tech borders on the absurd. I think Desmond played every one of those 68 snaps at the 3-technique (and he's a natural SDE). It is deeply troubling that we are so thin on the interior DL, that we couldn't give those two a blow.