The ACC will delay the start of competition for all fall sports until at least Sept. 1

[Deleted member 2897]

So, what makes you more of an expert than the experts?

Stop trolling, it’s not a good look. I am not an expert. I’m not asserting anything magical or out in left field. I’m just saying based on the actual data, fit 20 year olds have a minuscule risk of severe negative health outcomes of COVID. It’s less than even the regular flu. If you look at data of injuries requiring hospital trips for college football, it’s less than that. CTE is a much bigger health risk. It is what it is. Anybody who says a bunch of fit 20 year olds could die from playing football, especially when it has not happened to a single person yet despite being together for months now, is just giving emotional terror porn opinions. In fact, I can only find 1 single hospitalization..,which is significantly below the regular rate. I’m probably missing some, but even using the General age rates of hospitalizations or death for the age group as a whole (and not specifically for super fit 20 year olds), the numbers are tiny. Hundreds of players combined go to the hospital every year for broken bones, heat stroke, the flu, staph infections, alcohol poisoning, cancer and so on.

 

[ramblinwreckguru]

After getting lambasted for weeks, I repeat there will be no college football this year and plug is getting pulled this week. Actually think it benefits GT in many ways

I believe that postponing the 2020 football season is a mistake, but you are right that if there is a spring season instead, it will hurt the factories with the most junior and senior blue chip players a lot more than it will GT.

 

[bobongo]

After getting lambasted for weeks, I repeat there will be no college football this year and plug is getting pulled this week. Actually think it benefits GT in many ways

I believe you. I can see where it might benefit us because we will be better next year, but in what other ways does it benefit us?

 

[Deleted member 2897]

I believe that postponing the 2020 football season is a mistake, but you are right that if there is a spring season instead, it will hurt the factories with the most junior and senior blue chip players a lot more than it will GT.

We will not have a vaccine by then. The people willing to cancel the season have no amount of transmission small enough to let them play, so we’ll be doing the same thing then.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Stop trolling, it’s not a good look. I am not an expert. I’m not asserting anything magical or out in left field. I’m just saying based on the actual data, fit 20 year olds have a minuscule risk of severe negative health outcomes of COVID. It’s less than even the regular flu. If you look at data of injuries requiring hospital trips for college football, it’s less than that. CTE is a much bigger health risk. It is what it is. Anybody who says a bunch of fit 20 year olds could die from playing football, especially when it has not happened to a single person yet despite being together for months now, is just giving emotional terror porn opinions. In fact, I can only find 1 single hospitalization..,which is significantly below the regular rate.

I am not trolling. I am asking you a question. You have made some assertions that people who disagree with you are anti-science. I am trying to ascertain why you think that and what gives you the credentials to make those assertions. What's a bad look is everyone on here screaming down peoples valid concerns about this virus because some people "just know" that this is all either a 'complete hoax ' or 'vastly overblown' even though a large majority of the actual experts in these fields tell us otherwise.

 

[BleedGoldNWhite21]

So if there’s no season, then can we claim it’s “year zero” for Collins?

 

[RonJohn]

I think you are right on with what they are thinking and worrying about. And I think that thinking is anti-science, unrealistic, and they would all be full of ****. Imagine being worried about one spinal injury, or one case of CTE, or one head injury, or one heart issue. Crazy times. Lawyers suck ***.

Worrying about liability and lawsuits has nothing to do with science or anti-science.

Liability has nothing to do with whether you think there will be any real harm or not. It has to do with protecting yourself legally and financially from potential liability. Will your house insurance pay if you start a campfire on top of your living room carpet and it burns down your house? They would likely dispute the claim and declare that your gross negligence caused the loss. If you run a gun range and allow people to go downrange and place/remove targets because you don't want to pay to fix the motors on the target cables you will probably be sued if someone is injured placing a target. They can argue that every other gun range in the state takes more precautions than you. In this case, it would be a harmed party arguing that every other conference took precautions that X conference deemed unnecessary.

Also, look at it from a cost/benefit viewpoint. What is the maximum benefit from playing in the fall? A reduced season which only makes some percentage of the revenue. If the Big 10 and/or PAC 12 pull out, there won't even be an opportunity for a real championship. I would say with the reduced schedule and no inter-conference games that a four team playoff is even less authentic. What is the maximum cost of playing in the fall? If the Big 10 and/or PAC 12 pull out, liability goes through the roof. There is even a possibility that all sense of a student-athlete could be gone and that intercollegiate sports could come to an end.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

I am not trolling. I am asking you a question. You have made some assertions that people who disagree with you are anti-science. I am trying to ascertain why you think that and what gives you the credentials to make those assertions. What's a bad look is everyone on here screaming down peoples valid concerns about this virus because some people "just know" that this is all either a 'complete hoax ' or 'vastly overblown' even though a large majority of the actual experts in these fields tell us otherwise.

I said you were trolling because you Repeatedly condescendingly asked how I’m more of an expert than others.

This is an insidious virus. Studies show 6x as contagious as the flu. It kills the elderly and those with certain health issues with reckless abandon.

But we also know how to slow and stop the transmission. We also know which people are much less affected. The actual CDC data confirms this. Anybody who says fit 20 year olds who practice good behavior will somehow be at huge risks of having negative health outcomes in large numbers is just wrong. The actual data doesn’t support those assertions. That’s all I’m saying. If some of these guys don’t want to play, let them opt out without a problem. But let those play who want to.

How many Tech football players do you think went to the hospital in the last 12 months? I’d guess 15-20. The data says they are much more likely to end up there for a different reason or not at all.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

I said you were trolling because you Repeatedly condescendingly asked how I’m more of an expert than others.

This is an insidious virus. Studies show 6x as contagious as the flu. It kills the elderly and those with certain health issues with reckless abandon.

But we also know how to slow and stop the transmission. We also know which people are much less affected. The actual CDC data confirms this. Anybody who says fit 20 year olds who practice good behavior will somehow be at huge risks of having negative health outcomes in large numbers is just wrong. The actual data doesn’t support those assertions. That’s all I’m saying. If some of these guys don’t want to play, let them opt out without a problem. But let those play who want to.

How many Tech football players do you think went to the hospital in the last 12 months? I’d guess 15-20. The data says they are much more likely to end up there for a different reason or not at all.

You have a limited pool of data, the same as most of us. Almost all the medical experts are telling us contact sports are not a good idea right now, but because younger people are more likely to survive the virus, and we desperately want football, we condemn them.

I am not trying to be condescending, but your very assertion that experts are using bad science is condescending in itself.

Either way, the reality is that most likely we will not see college football in 2020. If for no other reason than there is no way to justify any potential risk to student athletes and the loved ones they come into contact with while continuing to deny them compensation at market value for their services. As has been mentioned, it's a legal nightmare waiting to happen. All the P5 conferences are ready to cancel, but no one either wants to be the first or last to do so for PR reasons.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

You have a limited pool of data, the same as most of us. Almost all the medical experts are telling us contact sports are not a good idea right now, but because younger people are more likely to survive the virus, and we desperately want football, we condemn them.

I am not trying to be condescending, but your very assertion that experts are using bad science is condescending in itself.

Either way, the reality is that most likely we will not see college football in 2020. If for no other reason than there is no way to justify any potential risk to student athletes and the loved ones they come into contact with while continuing to deny them compensation at market value for their services. As has been mentioned, it's a legal nightmare waiting to happen. All the P5 conferences are ready to cancel, but no one either wants to be the first or last to do so for PR reasons.

I would be curious to learn why all the data says it’s not a very big risk....but for the fact they will tackle and block each other. I don’t see how that would spread the virus. They would also have to explain how spreading it that way will somehow make it worse than regular. Because regular spread to people in that demographic does not result in bad outcomes.

 

[MWBATL]

ESPN reports:

Sources: Power 5 talking about no fall football

Power 5 commissioners met to discuss canceling football and other fall sports, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

Bottom line appears to be that the Big Ten is leaning strongly towards cancelling but they want to talk to other P5 conferences first.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

ESPN reports:

Sources: Power 5 talking about no fall football

Power 5 commissioners met to discuss canceling football and other fall sports, sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

Bottom line appears to be that the Big Ten is leaning strongly towards cancelling but they want to talk to other P5 conferences first.

What I heard earlier tonight was that the Big Ten is leaning towards moving the season to the Spring of 2021

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

I would be curious to learn why all the data says it’s not a very big risk...

I've not seen data that says it isn't a big risk.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

I've not seen data that says it isn't a big risk.

Please share it.

 

[MWBATL]

What I heard earlier tonight was that the Big Ten is leaning towards moving the season to the Spring of 2021

I believe that is correct.....

I would be VERY unhappy if they did that....

 

[smokey_wasp]

 

[mtodd30]

It may be a necessity to keep athletic departments afloat.

No matter what we think about player safety, we can hardly argue against selling stadiums to full capacity in September.

I’m a fan of this, this will most likely allow students to attend, along with 20,000 more folks on Saturdays!

I think this will allow a full season to be played as well. I’m all for it

 

[smokey_wasp]

It may be a necessity to keep athletic departments afloat.

No matter what we think about player safety, we can hardly argue against selling stadiums to full capacity in September.

I’m a fan of this, this will most likely allow students to attend, along with 20,000 more folks on Saturdays!

I think this will allow a full season to be played as well. I’m all for it

I am ok with a spring season, but there are LOTS of unanswered questions about eligibility, etc. I believe it would be a shortened season as well.

 

[bobongo]

Well that's that.

Now somebody answer my question: How does this affect GT, good and bad? I can see how we'll be better next year (although I was looking forward to this year because I think we were poised to surprise some people), but it seems it might hurt us more financially than the factories with deep pockets. What say you?

 

[TampaGT]

IF football is moved to the spring, will that mean no basketball and no other spring sports? there will not be any money to support spring sports Or play just a couple of spring sports that don’t cost alot to run?