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I'm not saying our offense played great, I'm just saying I don't think we can blame them for scoring quick and not having long time eating drives in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. I agree they were awful in the first and fourth quarter, although I think we went conservative in the 4th but that's no excuse. And yes I know the O didn't help by keeping the D on the field because they couldn't eat time off the clock, but the D self inflicted that on themselves as well, like the second drive for UVA, and that was before the depth thing and guys getting tired argument could be made imo. Like I've been saying this isn't about this game because they did enough to win but it's about if we play a better offense with how our D played we would give up more points imo. I also think that about our O, if they played a better D they probably wouldn't have scored as much. Honestly it was a sloppy game all around imo.
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Did you watch last weeks game? Improvements are being made. Mores sacks in the last two games than the entire year. More take away's in the last two games. The level they are playing at right now is head and shoulders above where they were. I like how they are playing now vs the majority of our other games. I feel better about the defense for the ugag game now than I did 4 weeks ago. I am more worried now that our OL will lay down against the $hit eaters.
 
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tech_wreck47 said:
I'm not saying our offense played great, I'm just saying I don't think we can blame them for scoring quick and not having long time eating drives in the 2nd and 3rd quarter. I agree they were awful in the first and fourth quarter, although I think we went conservative in the 4th but that's no excuse. And yes I know the O didn't help by keeping the D on the field because they couldn't eat time off the clock, but the D self inflicted that on themselves as well, like the second drive for UVA, and that was before the depth thing and guys getting tired argument could be made imo. Like I've been saying this isn't about this game because they did enough to win but it's about if we play a better offense with how our D played we would give up more points imo. I also think that about our O, if they played a better D they probably wouldn't have scored as much. Honestly it was a sloppy game all around imo.
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It's not about blame, it's just stating fact. Look, I'd rather we score on quick drives than not at all, but sometimes the D needs a rest. When we go three and out or score in less than two minutes, both have the same effect on the D. While one result obviously is more advantageous for the team, both mean the D is going out again too quickly. Now, if our identity on O means we will score quickly often, I am fine with that. But with that identity comes the realization that we would need to temper expectations of D performance. Historically under CPJ, GT has been much more grind oriented with occasional explosive plays. Winning the TOP battle has been huge considering the overall poor play of our D the last several years. This year has been different, in that we are seeing much more explosiveness and fewer death marches. Again, I am not going to knock the offense for how it scores, but I do factor it into defensive performance. If our D were performing like this in games where we were sustaining drives consistently, I'd probably be a lot more livid. As it is, I recognize the D has been put into disadvantageous positions frequently.
 
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tech_wreck47 said:
And yes I know the O didn't help by keeping the D on the field because they couldn't eat time off the clock, but the D self inflicted that on themselves as well, like the second drive for UVA, and that was before the depth thing and guys getting tired argument could be made imo.
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The second drive by UVA: 9 plays for 22 yards and we forced a missed field goal. Prior to that drive, GT went 3 and out in 1:36 and punted the ball from our own 8 yard line. The ST gave up a 26 yd punt return and UVA started on the GT 36. I am not sure how the D "self inflicted" that result. I'll take short field defensive stops any day of the week.

If you were referring to the third UVA drive, which resulted in a TD, then yes, that one falls on the D. The final UVA TD came after a 5 consecutive short series by GT to start the second half.

But again, this is what bothers me. At this point we're parsing 17 points given up to a P5 team that out recruits us consistently. Even good defenses give up TDs to opposing teams. Just this weekend, the following top defenses had these results:

Michigan gave up 10 points to Indiana.
Louisville let Houston run wild for 36 points in their loss.
LSU let one of the nations worst offenses, Florida, score 16 points in their loss.
Ohio St gave up 16 points.
Wisconsin let Purdue, who fired their coach this season, score 20.
Boise St gave up 25 to UNLV.

At some point, we have to realize that throwing a shutout is rare. Bama didn't even shut out their FCS opponent over the weekend. So if a D has a couple of bad drives, I am not overly worried. I want us to get 3rd downs under control and get stops on at least half of our drives. This is, IMO, a winning combo. We did that last week. I'm happy with the result, and hope the trend continues.
 
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Did you watch last weeks game? Improvements are being made. Mores sacks in the last two games than the entire year. More take away's in the last two games. The level they are playing at right now is head and shoulders above where they were. I like how they are playing now vs the majority of our other games. I feel better about the defense for the ugag game now than I did 4 weeks ago. I am more worried now that our OL will lay down against the $hit eaters.
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I guess you are just ignoring my comments so I'll stop reading after you said improvements have been made. I have clearly said that things have gotten better, go read my comments before making other comment to me please. Besides that this conversation is getting no where I see things different than you no big deal.
 
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The second drive by UVA: 9 plays for 22 yards and we forced a missed field goal. Prior to that drive, GT went 3 and out in 1:36 and punted the ball from our own 8 yard line. The ST gave up a 26 yd punt return and UVA started on the GT 36. I am not sure how the D "self inflicted" that result. I'll take short field defensive stops any day of the week.

If you were referring to the third UVA drive, which resulted in a TD, then yes, that one falls on the D. The final UVA TD came after a 5 consecutive short series by GT to start the second half.

But again, this is what bothers me. At this point we're parsing 17 points given up to a P5 team that out recruits us consistently. Even good defenses give up TDs to opposing teams. Just this weekend, the following top defenses had these results:

Michigan gave up 10 points to Indiana.
Louisville let Houston run wild for 36 points in their loss.
LSU let one of the nations worst offenses, Florida, score 16 points in their loss.
Ohio St gave up 16 points.
Wisconsin let Purdue, who fired their coach this season, score 20.
Boise St gave up 25 to UNLV.

At some point, we have to realize that throwing a shutout is rare. Bama didn't even shut out their FCS opponent over the weekend. So if a D has a couple of bad drives, I am not overly worried. I want us to get 3rd downs under control and get stops on at least half of our drives. This is, IMO, a winning combo. We did that last week. I'm happy with the result, and hope the trend continues.
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Like I said the offense didn't play well and I understand that, but I have the same opinion about the D because of things I saw them doing or not doing that imo could be changed to better the D. This is more me being worried about when we actually play a good offense because imo if things don't change we will be in trouble, once again this is just my opinion. And there's no way I would expect the D to have a shutout, it's more about what will happen when we play a good offense.
 
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What if the O and the D played the whole game like they played the third quarter?
Wow we stepped it up and made them look like bottom dwellers .

On to the uga game!
 
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tech_wreck47 said:
Like I said the offense didn't play well and I understand that, but I have the same opinion about the D because of things I saw them doing or not doing that imo could be changed to better the D. This is more me being worried about when we actually play a good offense because imo if things don't change we will be in trouble, once again this is just my opinion. And there's no way I would expect the D to have a shutout, it's more about what will happen when we play a good offense.
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That was my point. How many of those examples that I posted were dood offenses? Purdue? Florida? Indiana? UNLV? Even bad offenses score points on good Ds.
 
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UVA had a boss Olineman #78 that we couldn't block, they got yardage behind him all day long. I kept hoping Roof would bring in Adams to try to neutralize him. What a waste of a year of eligibility for him so-far.
 
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Virginia Tech has a pretty good offense. It's not like we played College of Charlestown two weeks in a row last 2 games.

If you expect a D to stop every drive you will find only bama to have a decent one.

As for scoring on O. I don't care if our O scores on the first snap of a drive or the 20th. When they score on the first, if the D wants off the field for a rest....make a stop. If they don't score on the first we have to make positive plays and extend drives. That is where we have struggled lately and it will bight us in the *** if we don't get it fixed.
 
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Adams has great potential. He also has weaknesses in his game an opposing OC will exploit. I'd like to see him get a few more snaps but it has to be done with a bit of care. He's not a plug and play guy yet. Play calls will be limited with him in there as he is a specialist at this time IMO.
 

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Look where we rank in just conference games alone. We are bottom third of the ACC in pretty much all defense stats. It's what I expected given who we were bringing back. The last couple of weeks the guys seem to gain back heir confidence. Roof was left little depth from the 34 experiment and he is finally fixing that. The one glaring stat right now is 3rd down.
 
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One thing I noticed against UVA: Defensive player rotation was probably the heaviest it's been all year.

Saw a 3 deep rotation on the DL...even #99 Branch got a lot of snaps.

Vicious Alexander saw a lot of snaps.

Outside of special teams (where he's becoming VERY good at being one of the first to the ball), still didn't see Terrell Lewis. Still trying to figure out why he's not seeing more snaps. Need more size and speed at LB, and he's the only one with that combo right now.
 
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Whiskey_Clear said:
As for scoring on O. I don't care if our O scores on the first snap of a drive or the 20th. When they score on the first, if the D wants off the field for a rest....make a stop.
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Just as our O needs our D to make stops so we get opportunities to score, our D needs our O to make plays so they get an opportunity to rest. Our D made plenty of stops Saturday, and when they were worn out, they ceded yards and a couple of scores. Yet you still place all the blame solely on the D. I am guessing that's because it fits a narrative. Otherwise, it would make no sense at all to claim that the O and the D don't depend on each other.
 
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Just as our O needs our D to make stops so we get opportunities to score, our D needs our O to make plays so they get an opportunity to rest. Our D made plenty of stops Saturday, and when they were worn out, they ceded yards and a couple of scores. Yet you still place all the blame solely on the D. I am guessing that's because it fits a narrative. Otherwise, it would make no sense at all to claim that the O and the D don't depend on each other.
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Yes they depend on each other. Yes we need to be able to sustain drives. I haven't blamed the D except when blame is due, like UNC game. I said earlier in this thread the D played better than the O vs UVA. Also vs VPI.
 
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