Special Ed Conference

[MikeJackets]

I understand, though I don't know as a fact, that CPJ is more or less ok with Ken now. Hell, he's got to realize that Ken, in spite of whatever weaknesses he might have, gives Tech AND Johnson more than a fair shake in his coverage, and it's a helluva lot more positive overall than that of any of the other AJC writers.

At least Ken gives GT a fairer shake than Mildcat Mark Bradley does.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

At least Ken gives GT a fairer shake than Mildcat Mark Bradley does.

You mean Bark Madley

 

[MikeJackets]

You mean Bark Madley

LOL

 

[kg01]

I understand, though I don't know as a fact, that CPJ is more or less ok with Ken now. Hell, he's got to realize that Ken, in spite of whatever weaknesses he might have, gives Tech AND Johnson more than a fair shake in his coverage, and it's a helluva lot more positive overall than that of any of the other AJC writers.

I was under the impression he was mad at Ken for releasing some info he was told in confidence. Figured that doesn't go away so fast. Hope so though as, like you said, Ken does give GT a much fairer shake than others.

I also recall Matt Winklejohn's coverage was better too, btw.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

I was under the impression he was mad at Ken for releasing some info he was told in confidence. Figured that doesn't go away so fast. Hope so though as, like you said, Ken does give GT a much fairer shake than others.

I also recall Matt Winklejohn's coverage was better too, btw.

That was my understanding of what happened too between CPJ and Ken, but, as I said, I have heard that things are better between them now. I HOPE that is the case.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

I was under the impression he was mad at Ken for releasing some info he was told in confidence. Figured that doesn't go away so fast. Hope so though as, like you said, Ken does give GT a much fairer shake than others.

I also recall Matt Winklejohn's coverage was better too, btw.

I like Matt's coverage too. Not sure why he doesn't write as much as he used to.

 

[GTpdm]

There's something about Ken and it's hard to put my finger on that just irritates me

It's his editors...

 

[forensicbuzz]

So?

Really? You couldn't see the humor in my response? I thought it was hilarious. Any chance to take a crack at B1G football is worth taking!

Just an FYI, I have met Ken and agree he's an easy guy to like. He went to the same HS my boys are at in Chicago. After one of the Spring games, he saw my oldest son's HS swimming shirt and chased us down in front of Peters. Had about an hour conversation. He's funny when he speaks about trying to ask CPJ thoughtful questions that turn out to sound not so thoughtful when said aloud.

 

[forensicbuzz]

I like Matt's coverage too. Not sure why he doesn't write as much as he used to.

Love me some Winklejohn. Best coverage we've ever had (and that includes Coley, who I have nothing but high respect for).

 

[Gtyellowjackets]

Winklejohn's wife went to GT. But he is freelancing now and not at the AJC anymore (but will write some articles for them) as I understand it.

 

[Boomergump]

OK, I went back through this century just to take a look at where this season of ACC domination fits in terms of history. The following data shows: year, SEC wins, ACC wins, Ties, pct victories for SEC (notice how the data has to be presented from the SEC pov), ave pts scored per contest SEC, ave points per contest ACC.

2016 4 10 0 28.6 24.2 32.6
2015 6 4 0 60.0 27.0 26.5
2014 3 5 0 37.5 30.0 29.8
2013 7 4 0 63.6 29.4 26.1
2012 6 2 0 75.0 34.6 21.3
2011 5 2 0 71.4 29.0 19.6
2010 5 4 0 55.6 28.2 24.8
2009 5 4 0 55.6 25.7 26.0
2008 6 6 0 50.0 25.1 18.5
2007 6 3 0 66.7 28.3 19.3
2006 7 1 0 87.5 25.5 20.9
2005 4 2 0 66.7 22.5 12.2
2004 3 2 0 60.0 14.4 19.0
2003 4 5 0 44.4 22.6 22.1
2002 3 5 0 37.5 20.8 26.9
2001 5 1 0 83.3 32.7 18.7
2000 4 3 0 57.1 20.6 16.9
First of all, the 10 win mark by the ACC in 2016 was an ALL TIME high ( I am talking the whole history, not just this century) for victories in a single season. It has NEVER been equalled. There have actually been a few seasons where the SEC has met or surpassed our 71.4 winning percentage, specifically in 2012, 2011, 2006, and 2001. However, there were significantly fewer games played head to head those years.

From the data, it appears the low water mark for the ACC occurred around 2011 and 2012. The combined record was 11-4 for the SEC and the margin of victory was about 11 points. Since those seasons the ACC has a winning record of 23-20 vs the Special Ed folks. This year, the ave margin of victory for the ACC was a whopping 8.4 points. I guess the most impressive thing for me is that 2016 represented a pretty big sample size. Sure, it is easier to have an average margin of victory of 10 points when there are a total of 6 games played. We just beat them by and average of over 8 with a total of 14 games being played!

If you are interested in recent trends longer than a single season, look at 2014, 2015, and 2016. It appears the tables have turned in that time. Two of the three years the ACC prevailed. In 2015 the SEC enjoyed a 6-4 record but the margin of victory was a paltry .5 points. In 2014 the ACC enjoyed a 5-3 record but the margin of victory was a mere .2 points. This year was a slobber knocking. With the recent records being what they are there is zero justification for a media mantra of SEC dominance. It has been four years running now with a combined winning record for the ACC. 2016 merely represents a continuation of a trend that started 5 years ago from a low water mark. I ask, is there anything in this data that suggests the ACC is not wrestling away control of the CFB landscape away from the SEC?

 

[Towaliga]

Good job, Boomer. I'll point this out to my dwag buddy whose coming over for a beer.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

Love me some Winklejohn. Best coverage we've ever had (and that includes Coley, who I have nothing but high respect for).

Matt actually wrote an article about me once. I was on the 11th fairway at the Augusta National the year that Duval was in the lead and closing in on the Green Jacket. Unfortunately his drive hit me in the back as I was walking (barely felt it), and it was all downhill for him from that point on. I have always said (jokingly, of course) that I kept Duval from winning. I have that article printed out somewhere, but I haven't been able to find it online now. I obviously got a big laugh out of it.

 

[jeffgt14]

OK, I went back through this century just to take a look at where this season of ACC domination fits in terms of history. The following data shows: year, SEC wins, ACC wins, Ties, pct victories for SEC (notice how the data has to be presented from the SEC pov), ave pts scored per contest SEC, ave points per contest ACC.

2016 4 10 0 28.6 24.2 32.6
2015 6 4 0 60.0 27.0 26.5
2014 3 5 0 37.5 30.0 29.8
2013 7 4 0 63.6 29.4 26.1
2012 6 2 0 75.0 34.6 21.3
2011 5 2 0 71.4 29.0 19.6
2010 5 4 0 55.6 28.2 24.8
2009 5 4 0 55.6 25.7 26.0
2008 6 6 0 50.0 25.1 18.5
2007 6 3 0 66.7 28.3 19.3
2006 7 1 0 87.5 25.5 20.9
2005 4 2 0 66.7 22.5 12.2
2004 3 2 0 60.0 14.4 19.0
2003 4 5 0 44.4 22.6 22.1
2002 3 5 0 37.5 20.8 26.9
2001 5 1 0 83.3 32.7 18.7
2000 4 3 0 57.1 20.6 16.9
First of all, the 10 win mark by the ACC in 2016 was an ALL TIME high ( I am talking the whole history, not just this century) for victories in a single season. It has NEVER been equalled. There have actually been a few seasons where the SEC has met or surpassed our 71.4 winning percentage, specifically in 2012, 2011, 2006, and 2001. However, there were significantly fewer games played head to head those years.

From the data, it appears the low water mark for the ACC occurred around 2011 and 2012. The combined record was 11-4 for the SEC and the margin of victory was about 11 points. Since those seasons the ACC has a winning record of 23-20 vs the Special Ed folks. This year, the ave margin of victory for the ACC was a whopping 8.4 points. I guess the most impressive thing for me is that 2016 represented a pretty big sample size. Sure, it is easier to have an average margin of victory of 10 points when there are a total of 6 games played. We just beat them by and average of over 8 with a total of 14 games being played!

If you are interested in recent trends longer than a single season, look at 2014, 2015, and 2016. It appears the tables have turned in that time. Two of the three years the ACC prevailed. In 2015 the SEC enjoyed a 6-4 record but the margin of victory was a paltry .5 points. In 2014 the ACC enjoyed a 5-3 record but the margin of victory was a mere .2 points. This year was a slobber knocking. With the recent records being what they are there is zero justification for a media mantra of SEC dominance. It has been four years running now with a combined winning record for the ACC. 2016 merely represents a continuation of a trend that started 5 years ago from a low water mark. I ask, is there anything in this data that suggests the ACC is not wrestling away control of the CFB landscape away from the SEC?

That seems to match up. The high point of the SEC seemed to be from 2010-2013. They really haven’t looked any better than any other conference since then. Having 7 straight National Championships from 2006-2012 certainly helps too but those early championships really only had 2-3 good teams in the conference. 2010-2013 is when the conference as a whole peaked IMO.

 

[Boomergump]

That seems to match up. The high point of the SEC seemed to be from 2010-2013. They really haven’t looked any better than any other conference since then. Having 7 straight National Championships from 2006-2012 certainly helps too but those early championships really only had 2-3 good teams in the conference. 2010-2013 is when the conference as a whole peaked IMO.

Don't forget some of those Nattys are due to favorable rankings and sports press hype. The year Bammer played LSU for the title, the Natty was just handed to the SEC. That was a joke. I am not trying to say they weren't a good conference, maybe even the best, but they didn't have to earn it like any champion should. Sadly, we will never know. Even if the SEC gets their act back together, a playoff system will reduce greatly the number of their titles, as it should.

 

[dressedcheeseside]

I ask, is there anything in this data that suggests the ACC is not wrestling away control of the CFB landscape away from the SEC?

So it appears the ACC has pulled along side, if not ahead of, the mighty SEC in onfield performance. However, will this parlay over into conference pecking order among fan perception? Will the ACC now be getting it's fair share of media exposure and adulation? Will the ACC now be getting an equal share of top recruits outside of Clemson and FSU? Will GT be battling more tier 1 schools for recruits instead of tier 2 and 3?

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

@dressedcheeseside
Unfortunately not likely.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Remember Coley Harvey, the former GT beat writer from the Macon paper? He works at ESPN now. I was sad to see him leave the Macon paper because he always out-did the yahoo at the AJC. Kudos to Coley!

Harvey is a really bright kid and I loved his writing style. When I first read him I thought he was an old codger that had been in the business long enough to see enough football to really understand it. Had no idea he was so young and missed his Tech articles when he left Macon. He was providing us great coverage in a geographic region that couldn't care less about us.

Now he just has to make sure the bozos at ESPN don't brainwash him. I don't think they will and more hires like this might actually save ESPN.

 

[YJMD]

This year, the ACC was clearly the best conference on the field. But next year will likely not be as good, especially at QB with Watson, Trubiski, Kaaya, Evans, and of course JT not returning. If the ACC can have similar success, watch out. The first weekend will be huge for setting expectations throughout the year.

 

[Boomergump]

So it appears the ACC has pulled along side, if not ahead of, the mighty SEC in onfield performance. However, will this parlay over into conference pecking order among fan perception? Will the ACC now be getting it's fair share of media exposure and adulation? Will the ACC now be getting an equal share of top recruits outside of Clemson and FSU? Will GT be battling more tier 1 schools for recruits instead of tier 2 and 3?

Well the SEC still has a MAJOR advantage in one important area: putting butts in the seats. As long as that is still in place, it will drive the insanity.