Roof Out as DC

[gtpi]

so.... any consensus yet on who we should pick?

 

[tech_wreck47]

See that part about "with the exception of two drives?"

You said they played well with the exception of two drives, I’m assuming you meant the two drives that were long TD drives right? I’m saying there were two other TD’s with plays over 30 yards, both of which weren’t from the two other long drives. So that’s 4 drives...

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

What does stability matter though? I’d rather be in the 40’s to 50’s on D every year and change DC’s every few years than have the same DC and never brake the 60’s. Saying we want stability and the stability isn’t braking a top 60 D is setteling for less imo.

Maybe it doesn't matter at all. I just don't see the value in constantly replacing coaches. To be fair, I am not overly hurt that Roof moved on. I don't agree with the way he was treated here, but I'd rather he move on like this than be tarred and feathered out of town, which is what I feared would happen. Here's what I struggle with: We don't build consistency with these coaching hires. If we were losing long time coordinators to poaching, then likely there is a replacement on staff that continues the same scheme and the consistency works in our favor. We've seen this recently at Clemson when they lost their OC. If we hire Woody, which seems to be the consensus pick, then it looks like we might switch back to a 3-4, which we may not have the best personnel to run. This means several years of retooling the recruiting to get right guys in right places. If during this process, we struggle, then we are likely to become bitter about him and run him off, starting this process all over again.

I'm also a bit irritated at how casually some, not all, of our fan base trash Roof, who was an excellent recruiter and a stand up man for our program. Again, I'll be in my seats next year rooting for our boys, just like always, and I'll get behind our new DC as fervently as I was behind our former DCs. I just don't see this in the same light as many on here do.

 

[tech_wreck47]

Maybe it doesn't matter at all. I just don't see the value in constantly replacing coaches. To be fair, I am not overly hurt that Roof moved on. I don't agree with the way he was treated here, but I'd rather he move on like this than be tarred and feathered out of town, which is what I feared would happen. Here's what I struggle with: We don't build consistency with these coaching hires. If we were losing long time coordinators to poaching, then likely there is a replacement on staff that continues the same scheme and the consistency works in our favor. We've seen this recently at Clemson when they lost their OC. If we hire Woody, which seems to be the consensus pick, then it looks like we might switch back to a 3-4, which we may not have the best personnel to run. This means several years of retooling the recruiting to get right guys in right places. If during this process, we struggle, then we are likely to become bitter about him and run him off, starting this process all over again.

I'm also a bit irritated at how casually some, not all, of our fan base trash Roof, who was an excellent recruiter and a stand up man for our program. Again, I'll be in my seats next year rooting for our boys, just like always, and I'll get behind our new DC as fervently as I was behind our former DCs. I just don't see this in the same light as many on here do.

Yea, I would never trash Roof. I’ve seen it some by just a couple posters. I wasn’t a fan of his system, but I do think he was a good guy.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

You said they played well with the exception of two drives, I’m assuming you meant the two drives that were long TD drives right? I’m saying there were two other TD’s with plays over 30 yards, both of which weren’t from the two other long drives. So that’s 4 drives...

UVAs TDs were 92 yd KO return, 78 yd drive, 30 yd drive, and the 64 yd drive to end the game. The 34 yd TD pass was on the 78 yd drive.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400937512

But we're splitting hairs at this point. I still feel our D more than did their part in this game, and the O/ST wet the bed.

The hardest part I have in this is that I sincerely feel that the O can turn around, and that CPJ can get them humming next year. I just hope we don't lose the progress I was seeing on D prior to the Duke game.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Yea, I would never trash Roof. I’ve seen it some by just a couple posters. I wasn’t a fan of his system, but I do think he was a good guy.

That's why I'm debating it with you. You've been more than fair. We don't always have to agree as fans, but we should never resort to trashing our coaches and players.

 

[tech_wreck47]

UVAs TDs were 92 yd KO return, 78 yd drive, 30 yd drive, and the 64 yd drive to end the game. The 34 yd TD pass was on the 78 yd drive.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400937512

But we're splitting hairs at this point. I still feel our D more than did their part in this game, and the O/ST wet the bed.

The hardest part I have in this is that I sincerely feel that the O can turn around, and that CPJ can get them humming next year. I just hope we don't lose the progress I was seeing on D prior to the Duke game.

My bad, for some reason I thought 2 of the TD’s from long passes were from short fields. FWIW, I’m not blaming the D for the loss. I think it was a mixture of everything. Mainly the ST though. I think the O also put up enough points to win the game.

 

[Bule]

The UVA game is an example of the defense being the best of the three units, but that still doesn’t mean they had a great game. They just were better than the awful ST play, and the stagnant offense, in that particular game.

Overall, if you look at the season as a whole, the special teams were awful, the offense was mediocre, and the defense was below average. Normally, the offense carries the play of the other units but I think that wasn’t the case this past season.

I do think that overall the defense was still pretty poor for the amount of experience that we fielded there, and thus a change had to made unfortunately. But that still doesn’t discount that we have some major issues on special teams play, and that we still have some things that need to be addressed on the offense (namely better blocking and depth up front, and some semblance of a passing threat).

 

[Silk3]

My issue is whenever the D had a chance to make a stop at the end to win the game...it never happened, not once... footballs ultimate team game, so you can blame either, but if you have lead with 2 minutes left and on defense you have to find a way to get a stop somehow someway.... also in those late situations we never got any pressure on the qb, and alot of times in those situations 1 sack will win the game

 

[slugboy]

My issue is whenever the D had a chance to make a stop at the end to win the game...it never happened, not once... footballs ultimate team game, so you can blame either, but if you have lead with 2 minutes left and on defense you have to find a way to get a stop somehow someway.... also in those late situations we never got any pressure on the qb, and alot of times in those situations 1 sack will win the game

I’ll have to go back and look through all the games.
At UM, all the offense had to do was get a first down to win. They didn’t. Then the defense just had to get a stop. They didn’t.
Wake was a 14 point win. Defense did well that day. Stopped them multiple times.
At VT, offense did OK and defense did well. Defense forced VT to give the ball up on downs to end the game, so that’s one.
At Pitt and UNC, we held both teams down. Defense got way more than one critical stop.
UVA and UT have been hashed out already



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[Silk3]

I’ll have to go back and look through all the games.
At UM, all the offense had to do was get a first down to win. They didn’t. Then the defense just had to get a stop. They didn’t.
Wake was a 14 point win. Defense did well that day. Stopped them multiple times.
At VT, offense did OK and defense did well. Defense forced VT to give the ball up on downs to end the game, so that’s one.
At Pitt and UNC, we held both teams down. Defense got way more than one critical stop.
UVA and UT have been hashed out already



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Oh yeah forgot about VT game that was 1. But besides that D could of got stop UT game and didnt...and im fully aware if JJ didnt fumble and fg kicker made kick but regardless D still could of made stop...than Miami game...UVA game... so 1-3 in "clutch" situations"

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

I'm not sure what kind of hard evidence you're looking for, and the type of hard evidence that Coach Andy McCollum apparently has. If you clarify this, I might be able to provide it. And for the record, I am 100% saying that Coach Roof is a great recruiter; in fact, you could quote me in saying that Coach Roof is an excellent recruiter

11 guys going pro every year. And a conference best D every year to prove he knows anything about Xs and Os.

The next D.C. might be a better D.C. He might be a better recruiter. Then again he might not be better at either. Here's to hoping it does work out best for all involved.

 

[lv20gt]

Oh yeah forgot about VT game that was 1. But besides that D could of got stop UT game and didnt...and im fully aware if JJ didnt fumble and fg kicker made kick but regardless D still could of made stop...than Miami game...UVA game... so 1-3 in "clutch" situations"

Gt did get a stop against UT. A 3 and out on the second to last possession meaning a fg would clinch it and even just having a "death march" would have won it. Same story against miami. We got 2 stops prior to the last drive and gave our offense the chance to put the game away. Against uva 4 of the 5 drives prior to the final one we got stops.

Why is it that the offense can't put games away when given the opportunity yet its the defense that isn't clutch?

 

[Silk3]

Gt did get a stop against UT. A 3 and out on the second to last possession meaning a fg would clinch it and even just having a "death march" would have won it. Same story against miami. We got 2 stops prior to the last drive and gave our offense the chance to put the game away. Against uva 4 of the 5 drives prior to the final one we got stops.

Why is it that the offense can't put games away when given the opportunity yet its the defense that isn't clutch?

I clearly said its a team game and you could point to offense or defense...

 

[Silk3]

Gt did get a stop against UT. A 3 and out on the second to last possession meaning a fg would clinch it and even just having a "death march" would have won it. Same story against miami. We got 2 stops prior to the last drive and gave our offense the chance to put the game away. Against uva 4 of the 5 drives prior to the final one we got stops.

Why is it that the offense can't put games away when given the opportunity yet its the defense that isn't clutch?

But offense would of ran time off if not for fumble. Thats not the offenses fault, thats Jj greens fault for not holding onto the ball. But the point is he did fumble so defense needed to have there back and come up clutch and get the stop. Yaull acting like bc offense didnt ice the game that its fine defense let them go all way down the field to tie at the end...bc it was offenses fault...team game, pick the other unit up, that simple

 

[tech_wreck47]

Gt did get a stop against UT. A 3 and out on the second to last possession meaning a fg would clinch it and even just having a "death march" would have won it. Same story against miami. We got 2 stops prior to the last drive and gave our offense the chance to put the game away. Against uva 4 of the 5 drives prior to the final one we got stops.

Why is it that the offense can't put games away when given the opportunity yet its the defense that isn't clutch?

Lol the offense went 90 yards against UVA to go up, that’s what you call clutch and doing your job to win. The D gave up a TD the following drive in just 1 minute and 28 seconds, and left the offense 1 minute and 22 seconds left in the game to score. They also went 56 yards in a minute and 22 seconds to set up a game winning field goal that was missed against UT. I’d call that clutch as well, missing the field goal isn’t on the offense, and if it was made this wouldn’t even be a conversation as to if the O was clutch or not. The O did what needed to be done in both of those games to put it away. You should have used better games for your analogy of the offense not being able to put a game away.

 

[tech_wreck47]

But offense would of ran time off if not for fumble. Thats not the offenses fault, thats Jj greens fault for not holding onto the ball. But the point is he did fumble so defense needed to have there back and come up clutch and get the stop. Yaull acting like bc offense didnt ice the game that its fine defense let them go all way down the field to tie at the end...bc it was offenses fault...team game, pick the other unit up, that simple

They also forget the o went over 50 yards in a minute and 22 seconds to have a medium rage field goal be made but it was missed. But that must be the offenses fault as well.

 

[laoh]

My issue is whenever the D had a chance to make a stop at the end to win the game...it never happened, not once... footballs ultimate team game, so you can blame either, but if you have lead with 2 minutes left and on defense you have to find a way to get a stop somehow someway.... also in those late situations we never got any pressure on the qb, and alot of times in those situations 1 sack will win the game

C'mon bro, let's not get too carried away. Were you not watching the VT game?

 

[tech_wreck47]

11 guys going pro every year. And a conference best D every year to prove he knows anything about Xs and Os.

The next D.C. might be a better D.C. He might be a better recruiter. Then again he might not be better at either. Here's to hoping it does work out best for all involved.

Lol you might want to go back and read my comments after @Yomanser made his comments. I think you are so caught up in defending your opinion you think I had my mind made up, when I’ve admitted Roof is probably better than what I thought. Must have missed that right? But yea I’m the one that has my mind made up. You’ve even gone to the point of defending your opinion and bringing up completely irrelevant comments that aren’t even about the subject.

 

[Silk3]

C'mon bro, let's not get too carried away. Were you not watching the VT game?

I gave them credit for VT game