nonpolitical medical issues

[Dress2Jacket]

Can a tool and die shop require that employees wear safety glasses while in the shop area? Can they require that employees wear safety glasses while using machinery that throws metal shavings? By your arguments, why can't an employee simply state that they don't like to wear safety glasses and refuse to wear them?

An employee can refuse. But he's probably not an employee much longer after that.

And in a business, it is just like the no shoes, no shirt, no service sign. If someone doesn't like the requirements (vaccine, shirt, whatever) they should just find a different business.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

I don’t have their numbers. Not sure if HIPPA or some law would not make it a disclosure offense? Not pretending to be a flu expert(those numbers have been way down, as you probably know)or an ENT specialist. I am ordained and the families that I’ve encountered swear that it was the virus, although coroners are very careful, taking the conservative way these days. Yes, I do speak with the ones in Gwinnett P.D. Also, contacts in funeral homes tell me the same stories.

Just buried a friend who contracted last year. He was a weightlifter, healthy before last April of 2020. He started walking with a cane, after the wheelchair. They put him on a heart medication. Thought he was coming back. Then, the seizures started. Unidentifiable Reasons were on the D.C.

My experience also. Anecdotal of course, but it is not a stretch for me see that undercounting Covid deaths is very possible.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Ok, but if I do stay out of the hospital, I will be proven correct.

Actually, no. That’s not how pandemics work. You could be unvaccinated, not have had the virus, and be careless with your hygiene and still not end up in the hospital. That’s called being lucky. But getting vaccinated improves your odds (luck) by a magnitude of a thousand.

 

[GT_EE78]

VAERS is managed by the CDC. OpenVaers per their own site (it loaded this time) is run by a group of butthurt anti-vaxxers- my words translating their language in the FAQ section.

No they are not butthurt anti-vaxxers - that was a silly and irresponsible thing to say.
However, It is correct that the group was started by people who had adverse reactions.
The website does NOT verify,analyze or evaluate the reports.
They just summarize what has been reported TO VAERS and provide an alternate portal for those who wish to download/review/read those reports.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

No they are not butthurt anti-vaxxers - that was a silly and irresponsible thing to say.
However, It is correct that the group was started by people who had adverse reactions.
The website does NOT verify,analyze or evaluate the reports.
They just summarize what has been reported TO VAERS and provide an alternate portal for those who wish to download/review/read those reports.

Yep, two ways to say the same thing. Like I said - my words not theirs.

When the core data already exists somewhere else, and when one group with an axe to grind displays prominently different unverified data…..

 

[GT_EE78]

Dont know what that website is and it won’t open. We’re not at 5,000 deaths, we’re at 535.

The number is just what has been reported TO VAERS. I do not know of any progress report where CDC tells how many incoming reports have been reviewed and how many remain. No one is claiming causation. CDC will either dismiss or verify. FYI, the CDC website is reporting essentially the same number as of 5/24.You misfired again.
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"Over 285 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 24, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,863 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Deleted member 2897]

The number is just what has been reported TO VAERS. I do not know of any progress report where CDC tells how many incoming reports have been reviewed and how many remain. No one is claiming causation. CDC will either dismiss or verify. FYI, the CDC website is reporting essentially the same number as of 5/24.You misfired again.
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"Over 285 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through May 24, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 4,863 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths.

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

Exactly. You could go on there right now and submit that your Dad just died after getting a vaccine and OpenVAERS would list it as a death from the vaccine. Their raw data is as useful as tits on a warhog.

 

[GT_EE78]

Exactly. You could go on there right now and submit that your Dad just died after getting a vaccine and OpenVAERS would list it as a death from the vaccine. Their raw data is as useful as tits on a warhog.

You're offbase again.
OpenVAERS would have a lag time because they download from VAERS and usually update weekly or so.
The warthogs tits are already in VAERS.

 

[GT_EE78]

When the core data already exists somewhere else, and when one group with an axe to grind displays prominently different unverified data…..

They did explain that the HHS and CDC portals are not very user friendly which is why they do this.
OpenVAERS also explains what is different in their database and how that facilitates search,filter,display or downloading efficiency.
Each report includes the VAERS ID#. It would be easy to detect if they altered important contents.
I have already proven that CDC and OpenVAERS are reporting nearly identical death report numbers.(OV 5165 on 5/28 ver CDC 4863 on 5/24)
IF you have evidence that they are anti-vaxxers, then prove it!
IF you have evidence that they are nefariously manipulating the data, then prove it!

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Jon Rahm up by 7 strokes at Memorial gets the boot from a contact tracing Covid test. Asymptomatic, he went 4-5 days in a row negative before he got ejected. Wonder what they‘re doing with the $1.7M he was going to win?

Anyone who bet on Jon Rahm will be able to cash a winning ticket, says one sportsbook

Jon Rahm outright bets at the 2021 Memorial will be paid out as winners, William Hill Sportsbook announced.

www.golfdigest.com

Jon Rahm up by 7 strokes at Memorial gets the boot from a contact tracing Covid test. Asymptomatic, he went 4-5 days in a row negative before he got ejected. Wonder what they‘re doing with the $1.7M he was going to win?

Anyone who bet on Jon Rahm will be able to cash a winning ticket, says one sportsbook

Jon Rahm outright bets at the 2021 Memorial will be paid out as winners, William Hill Sportsbook announced.

www.golfdigest.com

Didn’t read the article but why did he get constant testing? Was he vaccinated?

If he wasn’t vaccinated that was a very stupid and costly mistake.

 

[Milwaukee]

 

[Deleted member 2897]

They did explain that the HHS and CDC portals are not very user friendly which is why they do this.
OpenVAERS also explains what is different in their database and how that facilitates search,filter,display or downloading efficiency.
Each report includes the VAERS ID#. It would be easy to detect if they altered important contents.
I have already proven that CDC and OpenVAERS are reporting nearly identical death report numbers.(OV 5165 on 5/28 ver CDC 4863 on 5/24)
IF you have evidence that they are anti-vaxxers, then prove it!
IF you have evidence that they are nefariously manipulating the data, then prove it!

You are missing my point. They state their vaccine positions on their own site. You are welcome to read it.

They are not directly manipulating data. They are presenting raw data that doesn’t have any correlation to the issue at hand. But they are presenting it like it is. As I described earlier, you could post that your Dad died after getting a vaccine, and it would show up in their data. The CDC would investigate it, and if it doesn’t have any connection to anything, it rightly wouldn’t be considered a death connected to a vaccine. 8,000 Americans die every single day. 56,000 per week. Some of these will happen within a month of being vaccinated when we’ve delivered 250 million shots. These people’s data is worse than worthless.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Didn’t read the article but why did he get constant testing? Was he vaccinated?

If he wasn’t vaccinated that was a very stupid and costly mistake.

How do you know he wasn’t vaccinated? How do you know he doesn’t have natural immunity? What difference does either have? The blame here is with paranoid anti-science lunatics. The guy is playing a sport outside where he doesn’t have to come in close contact with anybody.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

How do you know he wasn’t vaccinated? How do you know he doesn’t have natural immunity? What difference does either have? The blame here is with paranoid anti-science lunatics. The guy is playing a sport outside where he doesn’t have to come in close contact with anybody.

People who are vaccinated can mix freely in public. This story doesn’t make sense unless he was doing something totally stupid.

 

[LibertyTurns]

Didn’t read the article but why did he get constant testing? Was he vaccinated?

If he wasn’t vaccinated that was a very stupid and costly mistake.

He fell victim to contact tracing.

Another article states he was vaccinated in between having contact with someone positive & the start of the tournament.

We had a pretty big outbreak at my work in the last couple weeks. Cousin of a family member was positive, asymptomatic team member went in just to be careful even though he only talked to him for 5 mins & he comes back positive, half dozen asymptomatic team members went & got tested as a precaution as he generally worked a fair bit away from them but 3 of those came back positive. That stimulated about 30 more tests as people started panicking & 8 more positives came out of that. We then brought the test to the building and tested everyone who wanted it, finally the crap ended, no more positives. It disappeared as fast as it hit us. This crap is crazy & I can’t wait until it’s a footnote in history.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

He fell victim to contact tracing.

Another article states he was vaccinated in between having contact with someone positive & the start of the tournament.

We had a pretty big outbreak at my work in the last couple weeks. Cousin of a family member was positive, asymptomatic team member went in just to be careful even though he only talked to him for 5 mins & he comes back positive, half dozen asymptomatic team members went & got tested as a precaution as he generally worked a fair bit away from them but 3 of those came back positive. That stimulated about 30 more tests as people started panicking & 8 more positives came out of that. We then brought the test to the building and tested everyone who wanted it, finally the crap ended, no more positives. It disappeared as fast as it hit us. This crap is crazy & I can’t wait until it’s a footnote in history.

Yeah, I just read Andy Levinson, PGA senior Vice President’s statement. Had he been fully vaccinated he would still be playing. Really really stupid to ignore CDC guidelines and PGA rules and lose out on big money.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Yeah, I just read Andy Levinson, PGA senior Vice President’s statement. Had he been fully vaccinated he would still be playing. Really really stupid to ignore CDC guidelines and PGA rules and lose out on big money.

That makes absolutely no sense. The policy is anti-science. To say they don’t care if you test positive and how sick you are, you can still play if you’ve been vaccinated? LOL. And to stop someone in an outside sport where you’re in no close contact? What a bunch of idiots.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

That makes absolutely no sense. The policy is anti-science. To say they don’t care if you test positive and how sick you are, you can still play if you’ve been vaccinated? LOL. And to stop someone in an outside sport where you’re in no close contact? What a bunch of idiots.

Just read Andy Levinson’s statement. I don’t think they have any idea what they are doing or how Covid works. He said fully vaccinated people don’t have to be tested. He then was asked if John Rahm had been vaccinated and he said he didn’t know. . All the other guys in the group had Covid late last year and said they assume they have immunity. But they’re being tested. . And they play an outside sport where there is no close contact.

 

[LibertyTurns]

That makes absolutely no sense. The policy is anti-science. To say they don’t care if you test positive and how sick you are, you can still play if you’ve been vaccinated? LOL. And to stop someone in an outside sport where you’re in no close contact? What a bunch of idiots.

Here’s old Phil taking a lonesome stroll up to 18 the other week.

What it was like amid the 18th-hole chaos of Phil Mickelson's historic PGA victory

Phil Mickelson's walk up 18 was historic. Here's what it was like on the ground, amid the chaos, madness and excitement of a historic day.

golf.com

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Just read Andy Levinson’s statement. I don’t think they have any idea what they are doing or how Covid works. He said fully vaccinated people don’t have to be tested. He then was asked if John Rahm had been vaccinated and he said he didn’t know. . All the other guys in the group had Covid late last year and said they assume they have immunity. But they’re being tested. . And they play an outside sport where there is no close contact.

It strikes me that you are looking for something to get upset about. Vaccinations are confidential unless the person vaccinated discloses. Reading between the lines it is pretty clear what happened. Levinson was being gracious about a player making a poor choice.

I would have gotten the vaccine, even if I thought I was healthy, didn’t need it, outside sport etc. But that’s just me. Giving up all that money is the consequence of ignoring the rules and getting unlucky.