It's fine

[GTBlaze]

We are ok. There is a million threads going on and I just want to bring everyone down to earth. We are not the best as of the moment, but When you look and see 85% of our team is freshman and sophmores I feel like we need to stop and take a second to look and just calm down.

Serious question:

Do you thing CGC stays up late at night studying film of the next opponent or does he stay up late at night scouring the internet trying to find the next fashion trend for new 404 t-shirts?

 

[WreckinGT]

Everyone's favorite Kirby Smart nails it. And why I support Collins because I do believe the upgrade in talent will pay off.

Kirby Smart: "No coach can out-coach recruiting"

Coaches and schemes are often given too much credit for success, Kirby Smart points out that there isn't a coach out there that can out-coach bad recruiting.

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The problem is we have plenty of examples of coaches who recruited well and could never win with it. You need talent to win at the highest levels but just having talent doesn't get you there. Plus, im not sure our level of talent is what he is talking about.

 

[4shotB]

The problem is we have plenty of examples of coaches who recruited well and could never win with it.

True....and this is where the 25% comes in. Ceteris paribus (if you trust Kirby's judgement on this issue and I have no reason not to do that), a good coach will beat a bad coach. This is why the Ga. - Alabama game will be very interesting. The ceteris's and the paribus's will be equal in that game. It is why I think Bama will be SEC champs again. They have the edge in that final 25% of the equation.

 

[Animal02]

25 recruiting in the last The problem is we have plenty of examples of coaches who recruited well and could never win with it. You need talent to win at the highest levels but just having talent doesn't get you there. Plus, im not sure our level of talent is what he is talking about.

Yep......11 of the currently rank teams did not place once in the top 20 in the last 5 years. Meanwhile, 7 teams that were in the top 20 at least 4 of the last 5 are not currently ranked.

 

[RamblinRed]

I don't have an issue with the idea that recruiting sets a baseline, but it is that, a baseline - not the final spot. Strong recruiting without strong development and in-game coaching will lead to mediocre at best results.

I don't think the big concern with Collins and his staff is whether they can recruit - they can, not at a factory level, but at a level that will put them in the top 1/2 of the ACC. But to get higher than that will require strong development and strong in-game coaching.
His first 4 classes have been 8/9. 5, 11, and currently 5th in the ACC. And have been 43/50, 25/27, 49/48, 24/24 overall. Now obviously the first class is affected by the change in coaches, and overall recruiting is better, but right now borderline Top 25 looks to be the ceiling unless play on the field improves.

I expect him to be here until his contract changes from a full payout to the $2.4M per year, and I think coaches in general deserve 1 full cycle of recruiting, but realistically Collins has to show significant improvement in W-L next season or his tenure is basically done as we are getting to a point in the tenure where prospects stop paying attention to your vision and instead look more at your results.

 

[UgaBlows]

True....and this is where the 25% comes in. Ceteris paribus (if you trust Kirby's judgement on this issue and I have no reason not to do that), a good coach will beat a bad coach. This is why the Ga. - Alabama game will be very interesting. The ceteris's and the paribus's will be equal in that game. It is why I think Bama will be SEC champs again. They have the edge in that final 25% of the equation.

I believe uga has pulled ahead on talent, especially on defense. I truly hate watching georgia play but this will be a very interesting game no doubt that i’m going to watch because you know Saban is going to coach his guys Close to the maximum level possible.

 

[1BearJACKET]

I think that Collins is probably this guy:

 

[g0lftime]

The first touchdown was blown coverage or maybe our safety bit on a run fake to give run support and receiver blew by him. Another TD was similar but not as open. Bit on a run fake and lost 2 steps on the receiver in the end zone. Thacker has mentioned guys not trusting other positions. Maybe too anxious to give run support and leaving their assignment. Both lines were getting beat as well. We did get a few TFL 's but got into too many third and short situations. Not a good day. We are not tackling low enough. They may be trying to strip the runner but it has not been working. Giving up extra yards after contact. Not getting any turnovers.

 

[wrmathis]

If we were 7-1 or whatever Wake Forest is we would have 40k in the stands. Atlanta is a fair weather town.

Did you see the Falcons game yesterday? 1/3 full.

Wouldn’t put all the problems on the falcons attendance on being bad. There was a World Series game going on yesterday that most of the city is worried about

 

[bobongo]

I don't have an issue with the idea that recruiting sets a baseline, but it is that, a baseline - not the final spot. Strong recruiting without strong development and in-game coaching will lead to mediocre at best results.

I don't think the big concern with Collins and his staff is whether they can recruit - they can, not at a factory level, but at a level that will put them in the top 1/2 of the ACC. But to get higher than that will require strong development and strong in-game coaching.
His first 4 classes have been 8/9. 5, 11, and currently 5th in the ACC. And have been 43/50, 25/27, 49/48, 24/24 overall. Now obviously the first class is affected by the change in coaches, and overall recruiting is better, but right now borderline Top 25 looks to be the ceiling unless play on the field improves.

I expect him to be here until his contract changes from a full payout to the $2.4M per year, and I think coaches in general deserve 1 full cycle of recruiting, but realistically Collins has to show significant improvement in W-L next season or his tenure is basically done as we are getting to a point in the tenure where prospects stop paying attention to your vision and instead look more at your results.

We need to replace our coordinators and some position coaches as well. And I think we need to take a hard look at our S&C guy.

 

[gville_jacket]

This is my most burning question. We struggle mightily to get pressure with 4 DL. So why on earth are we trying to run the 3-3-5? It boggles the mind.

You still bring 4, just that 4th one is a LB and you can disguise which one it is on any given play.

 

[GoJacketsInRaleigh]

I don't have an issue with the idea that recruiting sets a baseline, but it is that, a baseline - not the final spot. Strong recruiting without strong development and in-game coaching will lead to mediocre at best results.

I don't think the big concern with Collins and his staff is whether they can recruit - they can, not at a factory level, but at a level that will put them in the top 1/2 of the ACC. But to get higher than that will require strong development and strong in-game coaching.
His first 4 classes have been 8/9. 5, 11, and currently 5th in the ACC. And have been 43/50, 25/27, 49/48, 24/24 overall. Now obviously the first class is affected by the change in coaches, and overall recruiting is better, but right now borderline Top 25 looks to be the ceiling unless play on the field improves.

I expect him to be here until his contract changes from a full payout to the $2.4M per year, and I think coaches in general deserve 1 full cycle of recruiting, but realistically Collins has to show significant improvement in W-L next season or his tenure is basically done as we are getting to a point in the tenure where prospects stop paying attention to your vision and instead look more at your results.

Totally agree. Once he has a full roster of his recruits that aren't all freshman and sophomores that results should be better. In the meantime, it sucks to have 3-win seasons but I do believe we will be a lot better on the field as soon as both lines are older and deeper. We have 3 really good DT committed plus Biggers. When have we ever had that kind of potential on the interior DL?

 

[bobongo]

You still bring 4, just that 4th one is a LB and you can disguise which one it is on any given play.

Makes perfect sense and we often do that. It just doesn't work.

 

[D-man44]

I still believe Collins has the right plan for GT. But it's now going to be a big challenge keeping people engaged long enough for it to come to fruition. Need a good win or two desperately.

Tech needs to come together and somehow beat ND and look competent against UGA for the fan base to have any “juice” for CGC you are totally right.

 

[GoJacketsInRaleigh]

Tech needs to come together and somehow beat ND and look competent against UGA for the fan base to have any “juice” for CGC you are totally right.

Nobody in the country has looked competent against UGA. If you want to criticize about NIU or VT have at it but it's silly to use UGA as the test.

 

[MountainBuzzMan]

Totally agree. Once he has a full roster of his recruits that aren't all freshman and sophomores that results should be better. In the meantime, it sucks to have 3-win seasons but I do believe we will be a lot better on the field as soon as both lines are older and deeper. We have 3 really good DT committed plus Biggers. When have we ever had that kind of potential on the interior DL?

The problem with this is, a good coach would never have had 3 bad seasons. It stems from CGC not being able to recognize good coaches and hire the best he can afford to bring in. The talent was not good when he took over but it was not to the level of W/L that he had. Those bad losses were all on him making bad hires to his staff What about all of the transfers that were supposed to stem the tide while he got his recruits up to speed. Technically they are his guys as well. We need to stop making excuses for him and his complete inability to be a head coach.

I dont understand why there is so much covering for his bad coaching ability. There are fixes that dont entail firing him (Since we cant due to $$) The AD at this point shares a lot of responsibility for not forcing him to take a hard look at his assistants. Time for Todd to step up and put on his big boy pants and put the recruiter in his place. Leverage his strengths and find a way to mitigate his weaknesses (of which he has many)

 

[stech81]

Tech needs to come together and somehow beat ND and look competent against UGA for the fan base to have any “juice” for CGC you are totally right.

and I should wake up tomorrow and find out my wife is a great cook and looks like Sofia Vergara

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[Animal02]

The problem with this is, a good coach would never have had 3 bad seasons. It stems from CGC not being able to recognize good coaches and hire the best he can afford to bring in. The talent was not good when he took over but it was not to the level of W/L that he had. Those bad losses were all on him making bad hires to his staff What about all of the transfers that were supposed to stem the tide while he got his recruits up to speed. Technically they are his guys as well. We need to stop making excuses for him and his complete inability to be a head coach.

I dont understand why there is so much covering for his bad coaching ability. There are fixes that dont entail firing him (Since we cant due to $$) The AD at this point shares a lot of responsibility for not forcing him to take a hard look at his assistants. Time for Todd to step up and put on his big boy pants and put the recruiter in his place. Leverage his strengths and find a way to mitigate his weaknesses (of which he has many)

It also stems from not being able to adapt to the talent on hand.

 

[alagold]

If you believe the youth theory then you have to believe that we will be a substantially better football team next year. Personally, ill be pretty surprised if we make a bowl game.

at this point-- Surprised"? -more like stunned

 

[BleedGoldNWhite21]

Obviously a great coach can’t magically turn a walk on into Tom Brady, but I think you guys are reading a bit too much into the Kirby quote. He was giving his guys credit because all the questions were posed in a way that was giving he and his staff all the credit and not the players.