Doryan

[MtnWasp]

All true. But then there’s decency, an archaic concept I know.

Jeeze, you are intimating that there was something indecent behind all of this?

I thought we were talking about a young person having an dazzling display of immaturity.

Discussing that falls into the classification of "indecent" now? Sheesh, am I behind the times!

 

[forensicbuzz]

Same thing. It's none of our business and it doesn't matter.

That’s the point. As fans, it does matter and it may not be our business, but that doesn’t matter. We still want to know. As many a Court has said, public figures (and someone that performs on a stage on TV is a public figure) don’t have the same privacy rights as others. Celebrity sucks sometimes.

 

[forensicbuzz]

Legally speaking, the courts have been highly dubious of the rights to privacy of public figures. And college athletes, now highly professional based on their NIL rights, are most certainly public figures.

This is the point I was alluding to with my response about fans.

 

[spdrama]

All true. But then there’s decency, an archaic concept I know.

FWIW, I get it. Decent folks don’t pry into an 18 year-old’s life over “personal issues”. The press, insiders & anyone in the know are free to publish any truths about a celebrity, including DO, without worry about successful legal recourse because of his public status. However, nobody can be compelled to provide that info. So, selfish busybody fans wanting juicy details that might screw up a young kid’s future can go pound salt.

 

[Root4GT]

This is the point I was alluding to with my response about fans.

Any decent coach is not going to publicly dump on a kid he recruited when things don't work out. That is especially true if the coach tried hard and had the kids best interest and things didn't work out.

Too bad for GT it didn't work out this year with him.

 

[forensicbuzz]

Any decent coach is not going to publicly dump on a kid he recruited when things don't work out. That is especially true if the coach tried hard and had the kids best interest and things didn't work out.

Too bad for GT it didn't work out this year with him.

I agree with all this. I have a mild curiosity about what happened, but I really don't care. I'm not one of those fans who really, really, really wants to know the dirt. But, there are tons of them out there.

 

[MtnWasp]

I am a big privacy guy, especially in today's surveillance state.

But, how many of us have control over how an embarrassing mistake is perceived by the people immediately around us? A big part of what checks our behavior is how others will perceive that behavior. Fear of being ostracized by the herd is as basic of an human survival instinct as drinking water. People knowing and talking about those things is an essential component of social accountability and moral growth.

Your family, your friends, your work mates will notice that your car is gone, the bruise over your eye, needle marks in your arm, that you miss school, work, dinner, etc. People who care will figure it out. We don't live in a bubble. It is from this inner circle that information leaks and propagates, eventually reaching people who don't care at all.

For public figures, that immediate sphere of people who care is much larger. If you are missing, they will only naturally want to know what is going on. It is a basic human nature and while it has it's down sides, can sometimes be petty and gossipy, it has its root source in the basic social nature of man. It is not indecent.

Quitting a Power Conference team sport mid-season is not a private matter. It doesn't even come close to being a private behavior. To boomerang this back on fans wondering what happened to him is twisted.

But those who do know are under no moral obligation to spread the information to anyone else. Not doing so is probably more virtuous than yapping.

If DO has made a sound decision, then public shaming doesn't figure into it. If he did something shameful, then people knowing what he did will be an important part of his learning to be accountable for his own actions. People being made to feel shame is not a social injustice, it is part of life.

 

[orientalnc]

I am a big privacy guy, especially in today's surveillance state.

But, how many of us have control over how an embarrassing mistake is perceived by the people immediately around us? A big part of what checks our behavior is how others will perceive that behavior. Fear of being ostracized by the herd is as basic of an human survival instinct as drinking water. People knowing and talking about those things is an essential component of social accountability and moral growth.

Your family, your friends, your work mates will notice that your car is gone, the bruise over your eye, needle marks in your arm, that you miss school, work, dinner, etc. People who care will figure it out. We don't live in a bubble. It is from this inner circle that information leaks and propagates, eventually reaching people who don't care at all.

For public figures, that immediate sphere of people who care is much larger. If you are missing, they will only naturally want to know what is going on. It is a basic human nature and while it has it's down sides, can sometimes be petty and gossipy, it has its root source in the basic social nature of man. It is not indecent.

Quitting a Power Conference team sport mid-season is not a private matter. It doesn't even come close to being a private behavior. To boomerang this back on fans wondering what happened to him is twisted.

But those who do know are under no moral obligation to spread the information to anyone else. Not doing so is probably more virtuous than yapping.

If DO has made a sound decision, then public shaming doesn't figure into it. If he did something shameful, then people knowing what he did will be an important part of his learning to be accountable for his own actions. People being made to feel shame is not a social injustice, it is part of life.

It has become the norm under Damon that people do not leak crap about the team. So social media and sports blogs are as quiet about DO as I have ever seen.

I am a Damon fan and this is just one of the traits about him that I admire.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

Jeeze, you are intimating that there was something indecent behind all of this?

I thought we were talking about a young person having an dazzling display of immaturity.

Discussing that falls into the classification of "indecent" now? Sheesh, am I behind the times!

Nope. Sounds like you’re right on schedule.

 

[KeystoneJacket]

 

[Root4GT]

I am a big privacy guy, especially in today's surveillance state.

But, how many of us have control over how an embarrassing mistake is perceived by the people immediately around us? A big part of what checks our behavior is how others will perceive that behavior. Fear of being ostracized by the herd is as basic of an human survival instinct as drinking water. People knowing and talking about those things is an essential component of social accountability and moral growth.

Your family, your friends, your work mates will notice that your car is gone, the bruise over your eye, needle marks in your arm, that you miss school, work, dinner, etc. People who care will figure it out. We don't live in a bubble. It is from this inner circle that information leaks and propagates, eventually reaching people who don't care at all.

For public figures, that immediate sphere of people who care is much larger. If you are missing, they will only naturally want to know what is going on. It is a basic human nature and while it has it's down sides, can sometimes be petty and gossipy, it has its root source in the basic social nature of man. It is not indecent.

Quitting a Power Conference team sport mid-season is not a private matter. It doesn't even come close to being a private behavior. To boomerang this back on fans wondering what happened to him is twisted.

But those who do know are under no moral obligation to spread the information to anyone else. Not doing so is probably more virtuous than yapping.

If DO has made a sound decision, then public shaming doesn't figure into it. If he did something shameful, then people knowing what he did will be an important part of his learning to be accountable for his own actions. People being made to feel shame is not a social injustice, it is part of life.

If he made a decision GT and CDS were not right for him that may not fall into either category based on what led to that decision.

In general not having leaks or rumors around a program is a strong positive sign.

 

[MtnWasp]

If he made a decision GT and CDS were not right for him that may not fall into either category based on what led to that decision.

In general not having leaks or rumors around a program is a strong positive sign.

Just for the sake of discussion and not because I necessarily disagree with your point:

Keeping things in house and out of the public light can be taken too far.

An extreme example is Joe Paterno and his AD's decision to keep the Sandusky mess "in house." A strict policy of "what occurs in house stays in house" can allow internal rot.

A less gonzo example is the head coach, Brian Dabol of the NFL Giants. In his three years as Head Coach of that franchise, he NEVER says anything critical of anyone. There was an instance this season where his #1 pick from last year's draft, a CB, quit on a play. The media and fans all saw it and was all over it. the coach wouldn't acknowledge the transgression.

I think his circle the wagons inclination represents a "soft" disposition towards behaviors that are detrimental to the team is a big reason why that franchise has tanked. Sometimes it is better to insulate, but the interests of the team may be served better by not shielding certain incidents from the light of day. And insulating players may in some instances retard their development.

Lack of transparency generally has a lot of unintended bad influences.

There is a fine line between "having the back" of your mates and failing to instill accountability. The line is not as cut and dry as many seem to suggest.

 

[Root4GT]

Just for the sake of discussion and not because I necessarily disagree with your point:

Keeping things in house and out of the public light can be taken too far.

An extreme example is Joe Paterno and his AD's decision to keep the Sandusky mess "in house." A strict policy of "what occurs in house stays in house" can allow internal rot.

A less gonzo example is the head coach, Brian Dabol of the NFL Giants. In his three years as Head Coach of that franchise, he NEVER says anything critical of anyone. There was an instance this season where his #1 pick from last year's draft, a CB, quit on a play. The media and fans all saw it and was all over it. the coach wouldn't acknowledge the transgression.

I think his circle the wagons inclination represents a "soft" disposition towards behaviors that are detrimental to the team is a big reason why that franchise has tanked. Sometimes it is better to insulate, but the interests of the team may be served better by not shielding certain incidents from the light of day. And insulating players may in some instances retard their development.

Lack of transparency generally has a lot of unintended bad influences.

There is a fine line between "having the back" of your mates and failing to instill accountability. The line is not as cut and dry as many seem to suggest.

I think it is dependent on what happens between the players and the coaches. If there is no accountability you are 100% correct.

We don’t know and fans like to be inside the team and what’s ongoing.

No way to know with GT BB. At some point we will need to start winning or none of it matters.

I see your point though.

 

[BeeRBee]

He’s still on campus. My guess is that you see him enter the portal once it opens. CDS could have cut him off, but he’s doing the kid (and his future) right.

I agree that CDS is doing right by DO, but also the APR structure of the NCAA provides an incentive for schools to make sure that players on scholarship at the beginning of the year remain academically eligible throughout the year, or at least the semester. If DO ended the academic year without enough credits to be eligible next year, then GT’s APR would take a hit. I view this as a good feature of the APR.

 

[Steverc]

Gossip is part of every sports message board. I see that even those that complain about it are reading every post.

 

[Connell62]

It might. Consumers may care about the principles behind the manufacture of the products they buy. What are they doing with our money?

What kind of people are we cheering and are wearing the GT uniform? What kind of person is Stoudamire recruiting?

I can see where those things could be highly relevant to some fans.

Legally speaking, the courts have been highly dubious of the rights to privacy of public figures. And college athletes, now highly professional based on their NIL rights, are most certainly public figures.

I’m sorry, but this is laughable. Our money! LOL

 

[Connell62]

FWIW, I get it. Decent folks don’t pry into an 18 year-old’s life over “personal issues”. The press, insiders & anyone in the know are free to publish any truths about a celebrity, including DO, without worry about successful legal recourse because of his public status. However, nobody can be compelled to provide that info. So, selfish busybody fans wanting juicy details that might screw up a young kid’s future can go pound salt.

And we obviously have one here. Ridiculous

 

[Peacone36]

He’s not there by his own choice, all that matters.

 

[Tommy_Taylor_1972]

He’s not there by his own choice, all that matters.

Here is a good published example of players making decisions 50 years ago. Indiana high school star John Kinman signed with Georgia Tech in 1969, He played his freshman year and left during his second season. He went 90 miles south to join the NCAA DII team Mercer, coached by Coach Hyder's former assistant the previous year Dwane Morrison. Two years later he was gone again during the season, for the personal reason of helping on the farm in Indiana when his uncle who raised him died. The public were fully informed of the situations of John KInman and understood.

 

[Tommy_Taylor_1972]

Here is a good published example of players making decisions 50 years ago. Indiana high school star John Kinman signed with Georgia Tech in 1969, He played his freshman year and left during his second season. He went 90 miles south to join the NCAA DII team Mercer, coached by Coach Hyder's former assistant the previous year Dwane Morrison. Two years later he was gone again during the season, for the personal reason of helping on the farm in Indiana when his uncle who raised him died. The public were fully informed of the situations of John KInman and understood.
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How the story ends:

Where are they now: Years after basketball, John Kinman still recognized in Madison

Kinman was once one of Indiana's most prolific scoreres in high school basketball. He now runs a liquor store hear the Indiana-Kentucky border.

www.indystar.com

He did finish his degree at Indiana and played city league for 10 years, then back to his home town to own a bar.