Doryan

[kg01]

You are missing my point completely. Legally paying players has created entitlement among hs athletes. When money was under the table the back up center wasn't getting paid. He is now. The transfer rule has also created an open door for players that get jumped on the depth chart to walk instead of fighting for playing time. So yeah greed on multiple levels has created a wild west mentality among roster players and recruits. I'm not misinformed you just can't realere to logic i guess. Advice to you stop punching for a second and learn to try and understand instead of automatically assume something. Agsin reading is fundamental try it.

I'll just interject and say you're making some leaps in your assessments. The 'talking points' nowadays are that all athletes are entitled and don't want to work. It's not true in all or even most cases. I don't think we should paint with these broad brushes that 'they' are using.

Eta. And there's always been a general sense of entitlement in people who entertain us. That's not new. I don't even think it's changed much post-NIL.

 

[kg01]

And why .... why do people assume when a kid leaves it's (a) because he's trying to get paid, (b) he's "too lazy to work for it, and (c) it's his decision alone?

When a coach sees a chance to upgrade the roster, do we assume he's not gonna move a kid to bring in someone he thinks is better?

"Hey, so-and-so, it's not working out here. Maybe you should enter the portal. My pal at NWS Eastern St. down at D2 is interested. Here's his number."

Do we pretend that doesn't happen and it's just the 'entitled' player not wantin' to work. And, oh look, guess he "had to" end up at D2 NWS Eastern St.

Eta. But noooo,kg. These kids can just up 'n leave whenever they want. Surprise, surprise, folks. The portal makes it just as easy for coaches to cut guys as it does for players to leave on their own.

"So-and-so made a commitment and he should honor or to hell with him!" Well, what do yall say about the coach that brought the kid in and snatched the rug from under him?

 

[MWBATL]

And why .... why do people assume when a kid leaves it's (a) because he's trying to get paid, (b) he's "too lazy to work for it, and (c) it's his decision alone?

When a coach sees a chance to upgrade the roster, do we assume he's not gonna move a kid to bring in someone he thinks is better?

"Hey, so-and-so, it's not working out here. Maybe you should enter the portal. My pal at NWS Eastern St. down at D2 is interested. Here's his number."

Do we pretend that doesn't happen and it's just the 'entitled' player not wantin' to work. And, oh look, guess he "had to" end up at D2 NWS Eastern St.

Eta. But noooo,kg. These kids can just up 'n leave whenever they want. Surprise, surprise, folks. The portal makes it just as easy for coaches to cut guys as it does for players to leave on their own.

"So-and-so made a commitment and he should honor or to hell with him!" Well, what do yall say about the coach that brought the kid in and snatched the rug from under him?

You’re right.

But it’s the internet. It’s what we do on here. We make stuff up. We pretend it’s real. We pretend we know what’s going on. Get with it, man!

 

[kg01]

You’re right.

But it’s the internet. It’s what we do on here. We make stuff up. We pretend it’s real. We pretend we know what’s going on. Get with it, man!

Next you're gonna tell me I'm really not the 'get-bak!' coach. But that'd be preposterous.

 

[Tommy_Taylor_1972]

And why .... why do people assume when a kid leaves it's (a) because he's trying to get paid, (b) he's "too lazy to work for it, and (c) it's his decision alone?

When a coach sees a chance to upgrade the roster, do we assume he's not gonna move a kid to bring in someone he thinks is better?

"Hey, so-and-so, it's not working out here. Maybe you should enter the portal. My pal at NWS Eastern St. down at D2 is interested. Here's his number."

Do we pretend that doesn't happen and it's just the 'entitled' player not wantin' to work. And, oh look, guess he "had to" end up at D2 NWS Eastern St.

Eta. But noooo,kg. These kids can just up 'n leave whenever they want. Surprise, surprise, folks. The portal makes it just as easy for coaches to cut guys as it does for players to leave on their own.

"So-and-so made a commitment and he should honor or to hell with him!" Well, what do yall say about the coach that brought the kid in and snatched the rug from under him?

But the coach said, "wait until I get my players". That may be why some players left after this year, or tried to. Two are starting or playing big minutes on potential NCAA tournament-bound teams, Maryland and Auburn. DO was one of his "my players", who was recruited by one of the coach's $300,000 a year assistants who left the program for "personal reasons" the December before DO left. The coach may have never had a sincere recruiting relationship with DO from the beginning, and he could have been "processed". We will never know the whole story, at least from anyone in the current program. It is not like it used to be, with the Atlanta papers publishing the reasons for people leaving the team, coaches or players. That was when Tech was "Atlanta's team". I think the sports reporters are left in the dark like the fans are. I guess any negative press would hurt the brand.

In 1964, Bobby Dodd and Tech President Harrison made the decision to leave the SEC because SEC athletic departments and football coaches would use spring training to "process" and run off football players who they thought were not good enough for the next year and they would recruit somebody better. Coach Dodd's belief was that if a coach recruited a player, he promised the player a scholarship until graduation, if the player followed the rules. That meant a lots to us student athletes and most everyone graduated. Coach Hyder had only 1 player who did not graduate who played for four years. Both the administration and the athletes kept their promises back then. Without those type commitments today and with the "annual transfer without sitting out" rule, all NCAA schools are doing what Coach Dodd and President Harrison objected to, but now the both player and the coach have equal opportunity to "run them off" or "they just leave". A rare person is a four-year Tech player who graduates.

 

[Root4GT]

But the coach said, "wait until I get my players". That may be why some players left after this year, or tried to. Two are starting or playing big minutes on potential NCAA tournament-bound teams, Maryland and Auburn. DO was one of his "my players", who was recruited by one of the coach's $300,000 a year assistants who left the program for "personal reasons" the December before DO left. The coach may have never had a sincere recruiting relationship with DO from the beginning, and he could have been "processed". We will never know the whole story, at least from anyone in the current program. It is not like it used to be, with the Atlanta papers publishing the reasons for people leaving the team, coaches or players. That was when Tech was "Atlanta's team". I think the sports reporters are left in the dark like the fans are. I guess any negative press would hurt the brand.

In 1964, Bobby Dodd and Tech President Harrison made the decision to leave the SEC because SEC athletic departments and football coaches would use spring training to "process" and run off football players who they thought were not good enough for the next year and they would recruit somebody better. Coach Dodd's belief was that if a coach recruited a player, he promised the player a scholarship until graduation, if the player followed the rules. That meant a lots to us student athletes and most everyone graduated. Coach Hyder had only 1 player who did not graduate who played for four years. Both the administration and the athletes kept their promises back then. Without those type commitments today and with the "annual transfer without sitting out" rule, all NCAA schools are doing what Coach Dodd and President Harrison objected to, but now the both player and the coach have equal opportunity to "run them off" or "they just leave". A rare person is a four-year Tech player who graduates.
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As usual good stuff, however what went on in college athletics in 1964 has almost zero relevance for college athletics in 2025. We could probably expand that to about any topic. The World is a very different Place now.

As an example, when you were commissioned in 1972 (I think) and I was in 1973 from GT the US Army of that time had very little resemblance to what it was when I retired in 2002 and likely almost no resemblance to what it is now. That is both good and bad in some ways. Change is constant and to be expected in all walks of life.

College athletics in no different.

Keep posting these very interesting historical articles!

 

[Tommy_Taylor_1972]

As usual good stuff, however what went on in college athletics in 1964 has almost zero relevance for college athletics in 2025. We could probably expand that to about any topic. The World is a very different Place now.

As an example, when you were commissioned in 1972 (I think) and I was in 1973 from GT the US Army of that time had very little resemblance to what it was when I retired in 2002 and likely almost no resemblance to what it is now. That is both good and bad in some ways. Change is constant and to be expected in all walks of life.

College athletics in no different.

Keep posting these very interesting historical articles!

Sir Root, it seems every decade in sports and the military brings changes, and every score (20 years) history repeats itself. I think many of us, to include Coach Stoudamire, remember what it used to be and tend to want it to be like that, especially if we were successful then. Sometimes that is just plain hard to do and takes energy and patience to recreate what we knew to be the way.

It is interesting to me to see how today's coaches adapt to the new ways, and either they conform to them or not. For me, it was the Vietnam war and the cold war with the Soviets during our generation. Then asymmetric digitized inter-netted desert warfare was came along. For basketball, it was then the center-eccentric motion offense with inside play, then it became dunks, three-pointers, shot clocks, and 5-out offense, with players being paid and transfer at will. Sometimes history puts into perspective the constant changes to which we endure and adapt. Bottom line is that we do just that and will continue to do that. Our grandkids do like to hear our stories of when it was. and tell us we are old.

 

[GT33]

Another fantastic post by @Tommy_Taylor_1972 !!! People are often amazed how military history mirrors everyday life. Basketball is no exception.

 

[Root4GT]

Sir Root, it seems every decade in sports and the military brings changes, and every score (20 years) history repeats itself. I think many of us, to include Coach Stoudamire, remember what it used to be and tend to want it to be like that, especially if we were successful then. Sometimes that is just plain hard to do and takes energy and patience to recreate what we knew to be the way.

It is interesting to me to see how today's coaches adapt to the new ways, and either they conform to them or not. For me, it was the Vietnam war and the cold war with the Soviets during our generation. Then asymmetric digitized inter-netted desert warfare was came along. For basketball, it was then the center-eccentric motion offense with inside play, then it became dunks, three-pointers, shot clocks, and 5-out offense, with players being paid and transfer at will. Sometimes history puts into perspective the constant changes to which we endure and adapt. Bottom line is that we do just that and will continue to do that. Our grandkids do like to hear our stories of when it was. and tell us we are old.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Many of our fans long for something that does not exist in college BB anymore. Although with NIL the possibility of very good players staying 3-4 years is much more likely than just a few years ago. If a young man can make well over $100K playing college BB but is a long shot to be a sure bet NBA player they may stay around. See Bacott at UNC. That is good for college BB.

I do miss the “good old days” though.

 

[dtm1997]

I love it when kg01, ice cream tyrant that he is, starts dishing the empathy.

More like ice cream jester.