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I was intentionally citing the nfl because its viewed as the end result where the best players are.
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I was intentionally citing the nfl because its viewed as the end result where the best players are.
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I had never heard of a CSV file, so I GOOGLE'd it. You might do well to do so also, but in what I think is an answer to your question, I found this: "A CSV file can be opened in any program, however, for most users, a CSV file is best viewed through a spreadsheet program such as Microsoft Excel, Open Office Calc or Google Doc."
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I love it when you guys talk dirty.
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Probably one of the best posts I've seen in a while. I wasn't a huge fan of CPJ when he was hired, but I feel he has been an excellent choice, and done as well as could be expected given the limitations, both academic and monetary, that our program currently has. I will continue to support him in hopes that the new GTAA under TStan will finally make the changes necessary to compete routinely at this level.
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I'm betting your inherent bias against CPJ drives this viewpoint. Most of the fans I speak with at tailgates and at the games are fans of CPJ.
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You're a little late to the party here, that already having been said, but thanks for saying it again. You and I are in total agreement.
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Just going through this thread. I've been backpacking for the last week, and have been out of the loop.
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Finances are a bigger limiting factor than academics. I've been preaching for years that we can win routinely with the academic limitations in place as long as we as fans are willing to throw money at the program hand over fist.
I keep seeing the phrase repeated over and over in this and other threads that Tech fans that support CPJ must be okay "accepting mediocrity." I have to say, I just don't get that point of view. While CPJ's career at Tech has certainly been up and down, most "CPJ supporters" don't continue to support CPJ because he has averaged 7.5 wins. CCG averaged something similar and I suspect the vast majority of CPJ supporters were in favor of letting him go. I know I was.
The reason folks continue to support CPJ is because he has led Tech to two Orange Bowls, three ACC title games, has been ACC coach of the year 4 times, and has finished either 1st or 2nd in the Coastal 6 of 10 years. Those accomplishments are not "mediocre." Some were exceptional. I think the "CPJ supporters" can accept some of the down seasons so long as there is hope that we can get back to those good/great ones. And CPJ has certainly showed the ability to bounce back. Despite having two disappointing-to-bad seasons in the last three years, we have still beaten UGA 2 of the last 4 and won 3 of the last 4 bowls we played in. It is for those reasons (in addition to the graduation rate and being honest about the limitations of Georgia Tech), that so many folks continue to support CPJ.
All that said, once the CPJ supporters lose hope that those good/great seasons are likely to be just around the corner, we will be just as ready as everyone else to move on. If you were somehow able to predict the future and tell me he will average 7.5 wins/year but never again get over 8 wins in a season, I would be ready to let him go to now. That would be accepting mediocrity. I just don't believe that is the case yet. In fact, we have won 9 or more two of the last four years.
Now, if he has a poor year this year, I don't think anyone disagrees that he should be on an extremely hot seat (or potentially fired if we have a losing record). An objective look at his history, however, shows that he is just as likely to bounce back with a 9 win season next year as to have a losing record. And that is why (at least for now), I continue to believe and support.
Go Jackets!
The reason folks continue to support CPJ is because he has led Tech to two Orange Bowls, three ACC title games, has been ACC coach of the year 4 times, and has finished either 1st or 2nd in the Coastal 6 of 10 years. Those accomplishments are not "mediocre." Some were exceptional. I think the "CPJ supporters" can accept some of the down seasons so long as there is hope that we can get back to those good/great ones. And CPJ has certainly showed the ability to bounce back. Despite having two disappointing-to-bad seasons in the last three years, we have still beaten UGA 2 of the last 4 and won 3 of the last 4 bowls we played in. It is for those reasons (in addition to the graduation rate and being honest about the limitations of Georgia Tech), that so many folks continue to support CPJ.
All that said, once the CPJ supporters lose hope that those good/great seasons are likely to be just around the corner, we will be just as ready as everyone else to move on. If you were somehow able to predict the future and tell me he will average 7.5 wins/year but never again get over 8 wins in a season, I would be ready to let him go to now. That would be accepting mediocrity. I just don't believe that is the case yet. In fact, we have won 9 or more two of the last four years.
Now, if he has a poor year this year, I don't think anyone disagrees that he should be on an extremely hot seat (or potentially fired if we have a losing record). An objective look at his history, however, shows that he is just as likely to bounce back with a 9 win season next year as to have a losing record. And that is why (at least for now), I continue to believe and support.
Go Jackets!
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Not having taken a survey I think it is safe to say that 80% of that 90% is pretty much wishful thinking.
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That is but the presumed inherent superiority of one position over another but unwilling to take a chance argues your position for you, thus proving it does not always take two to make this particular argument. Sometimes the ordinariness of me reaches astounding levels, thus raising mediocrity to a new standard.
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I go to at least 3 home games a year and most of the people I talked to last year were not CPJ fans. It's only getting worse. Now that doesn't mean I'm gonna be mad if we win this year I'm just saying that the majority of GT fans which includes non message board fans are not CPJ fans
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If Tech has a poor season, or indeed a losing season , Stansbury has boxed himself in with the inexplicable contract extension and raise. Tech can't afford a buyout. Want him or not ,johnson is here until 2022!
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Nah if tech has another poor season, CPJ has a retirement clause in his contract. He might just retire beamer style midway through coach out the rest and be done.
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Are you a season ticket holder and annual donor, or were those you spoke with either or both? ALL fans are important to Tech, but IMO those who pay the bills are the ones whose opinions mean the most. I do not know a single season ticket holder who is part or that 90% you spoke of, and I know quite a few, having been one myself for 51 years.
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Come on please tell me you aren't serious? Every fan matters. And yes the ones I tailgate with are season ticket holders and are not happy with CPJ and how he treats the program
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"and how he treats the program"??? WTH is that supposed to mean? And yes, I AM serious.
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I think the whole argument is kind of goofy, since he has his pilot's license for another five years. Ordinarily I am not a stickler for such things, leaving that to my friends from that technical institute downtown, but what is the "majority" you talk about? Two of three? Four of seven? Maybe 51 of 100? Eventually 50 plus 1 is the majority. Nothing to go to war with, though. As is "most of the people" you talk to. I just don't know what that means. Are you talking to ... how many? Frankly I think we are reading one man's opinion here. But since the AD had the hole card, it matters not.
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There are lies, damn lies, and statistics. I'm pretty sure his assertion falls in one of the first two categories....
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It's kind of explicable to me. Tell a recruit all you want to choose the school and not the coach watch his eyes glaze over. They choose coaches because that's who recruits them. Ideally they want the same coach at the end as in the recruiting year: 1 + 4 = 5. Certainly they prefer the same offensive or defensive scheme. And a coach with a 3-year contract is on slippery recruiting ground. The length of a contract is not the problem to me. It's the buyout provision that can be the killer. See Gailey. See Hewett. A guy should get something if he is canned. I don't know how you justify a blank check to a guy who just got fired.