Coronavirus Thread

[LibertyTurns]

According to the CDC, that statement is currently actually true, with the caveat there will always be exceptions in service levels here and there. We’re currently testing more people per day than South Korea was at this point in their fight.

We do know the CDC numbers are wrong. They’re currently being understated as they only are including the small circle of labs they’re directly affiliated with. Allegedly the actual number of test will be released Monday afternoon I think.

 

[bobongo]

According to the CDC, that statement is currently actually true, with the caveat there will always be exceptions in service levels here and there. We’re currently testing more people per day than South Korea was at this point in their fight.

Uh huh. Our population is over 6 times that of South Korea.

 

[LibertyTurns]

According to multiple people with symptoms and have the need to be tested according to the guidelines, it is not.

Are you referring to people having ANY of the symptoms or people that have the requisite combination of symptoms that need to be tested? These are 2 different things.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Uh huh. Our population is over 6 times that of South Korea.

There were lots of people complaining on here that South Korea was testing more than we were. I’m glad to at least see that the goalposts have changed. Progress.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

According to multiple people with symptoms and have the need to be tested according to the guidelines, it is not.

That’s exactly what I said and what Dr. Fauci has been saying at the press conferences. While they are long, I highly encourage you to watch. There are exceptions as you’ve pointed out - the exceptions are typically in hotter zones.

 

[bobongo]

Are you referring to people having ANY of the symptoms or people that have the requisite combination of symptoms that need to be tested? These are 2 different things.

Demand has outstripped supply, so the testing is restricted by the guidelines necessary to limit them. That certainly isn't the case in South Korea. Ideally, anyone with any symptom should be tested, but the CDC guidelines, for example, state that anyone with either respiratory problems or fever should only be tested if they can show they have been in contact with an infected person. Now how many people are going to know whether they have been in contact with an infected person?

 

[Buzzbomb]

Press Conference time has changed for today, its at 4:30 pm.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Ideally, anyone with any symptom should be tested,

I disagree. There isn’t enough manpower to do the testing, let alone the supply kits. Pollen is bad right now in many parts of the country, which gives people similar symptoms. We can’t test everyone that has any symptom without quadrupling our medical facility capacity and quadrupling our nationwide supply of nurses.

 

[bobongo]

I disagree. There isn’t enough manpower to do the testing, let alone the supply kits. Pollen is bad right now in many parts of the country, which gives people similar symptoms. We can’t test everyone that has any symptom without quadrupling our medical facility capacity and quadrupling our nationwide supply of nurses.

That's the whole point, the supply kits are in short supply. My original statement was that the president's assertion that anyone who needs to be tested is getting tested is false. Do you deny this fact?

 

[RonJohn]

As for the media, I think they're doing an excellent service. The one who isn't is the president, who continues to spout misleading statements, contradicted by the doctors and scientists.

This post might come across as too political for this thread, but that isn't my intent. My complaint with the media isn't political. My complaint isn't that they are concentrating on the President, good or bad depending on the news organization. Yesterday on the CNN website, 15 of the 22 stories at the top of the page were strictly about the President. I didn't read any of those. I did read one of the 7 that were not about the President, and it derided the President several times. It is a pretty compelling story about the first diagnosed patient in WV, and how his wife jumped through many hoops to get him tested and treated. She:

• Called the 1-800 number from WV State notifications about the virus but it didn't work.
• Called the state health department and was told to take him to a doctor
• Called the doctor's office and was told he couldn't go there to call the state health department
• Took him to the emergency room at a hospital but was told that he couldn't enter the hospital and to call the 1-800 number
• Convinced the head nurse to look at her husband through the car window, the hospital then took him through a back entrance and swabbed him to test - She was told that the results would be ready in five days
• Five days later, she called the ER for results and was told to call the state lab.
• She called the state lab who told her to call the county health department.
• She called the county health department who told her that they had no record of her husband being tested.
• She then received a call back from the ER who told her that her husbands swabs had been lost, so he needed to come back in for a second screening.

That is a pretty compelling story. However, the story on CNN has several barbs at the president included in the story. People who are fans of the president are going to stop reading. People who don't like the president are going to pick out bits and pieces to use in arguments about the president. The human interest and system failure points of the story are lost on all except those who ignore the political rancor.

What I would like to see from all across the political spectrum of news is more information and less commentary. I understand that news organizations are going to have commentary, but I wish they would separate factual journalism from opinion. Tell me what is happening in California and Florida without praising one governor and belittling the other. In the press conferences, get actual information from Fauci, FEMA, HHS, etc and don't spend a large portion of the conference attempting to goad the President into making statements that will raise your ratings numbers. The President and the press seem more like an episode of Desperate Housewives of DC than a President and the press corp. I would rather hear from the people standing behind the President and a press corp that actually report information.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

That's the whole point, the supply kits are in short supply. My original statement was that the president's assertion that anyone who needs to be tested is getting tested is false. Do you deny this fact?

As I said, because he has actually stated this, According to Dr. Fauci, every person who needs a test can get a test. With the caveat that there will be occasional service level issues in hot spots.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

This post might come across as too political for this thread, but that isn't my intent. My complaint with the media isn't political. My complaint isn't that they are concentrating on the President, good or bad depending on the news organization. Yesterday on the CNN website, 15 of the 22 stories at the top of the page were strictly about the President. I didn't read any of those. I did read one of the 7 that were not about the President, and it derided the President several times. It is a pretty compelling story about the first diagnosed patient in WV, and how his wife jumped through many hoops to get him tested and treated. She:

• Called the 1-800 number from WV State notifications about the virus but it didn't work.
• Called the state health department and was told to take him to a doctor
• Called the doctor's office and was told he couldn't go there to call the state health department
• Took him to the emergency room at a hospital but was told that he couldn't enter the hospital and to call the 1-800 number
• Convinced the head nurse to look at her husband through the car window, the hospital then took him through a back entrance and swabbed him to test - She was told that the results would be ready in five days
• Five days later, she called the ER for results and was told to call the state lab.
• She called the state lab who told her to call the county health department.
• She called the county health department who told her that they had no record of her husband being tested.
• She then received a call back from the ER who told her that her husbands swabs had been lost, so he needed to come back in for a second screening.

That is a pretty compelling story. However, the story on CNN has several barbs at the president included in the story. People who are fans of the president are going to stop reading. People who don't like the president are going to pick out bits and pieces to use in arguments about the president. The human interest and system failure points of the story are lost on all except those who ignore the political rancor.

What I would like to see from all across the political spectrum of new is more information and less commentary. I understand that news organizations are going to have commentary, but I wish they would separate factual journalism from opinion. Tell me what is happening in California and Florida without praising one governor and belittling the other. In the press conferences, get actual information from Fauci, FEMA, HHS, etc and don't spend a large portion of the conference attempting to goad the President into making statements that will raise your ratings numbers. The President and the press seem more like an episode of Desperate Housewives of DC than a President and the press corp. I would rather hear from the people standing behind the President and a press corp that actually report information.

This is a well stated post and I hope everyone reads it. I understand there are many people who cannot stand the president. So right now when he is on TV every day, it is like fingernails on a chalkboard. And it makes it very difficult to separate him from what’s going on. I just ask that people take a deep breath. Read what RonJohn just wrote - why is any of that Trump’s fault? It’s not. Let’s focus on problem solving and leave the false political blame alone. Almost every country in the world is doing worse than we are right now, is fighting the same problems, and is in the same boat.

 

[dtm1997]

A few thoughts...Just looking at it with a critical eye.

First, I don’t see much of a timing difference on the Miami chart.

Second, there is a huge disparity in positive test result versus negative test result in Tennessee versus Kentucky. To me it almost seems like the numbers in Tennessee could actually be even worse. They have a significantly higher positive test outcome compared to Kentucky and other states I’ve seen. Makes me think they are either extremely limited in testing supplies, too tight in who they’re approving for tests, or both.

I didn't even know the Miami tweet was there. I thought the TN vs. KY graph was interesting, which was my intended post. You could be very right that TN is under-tested, for whatever reason.

 

[bobongo]

This post might come across as too political for this thread, but that isn't my intent. My complaint with the media isn't political. My complaint isn't that they are concentrating on the President, good or bad depending on the news organization. Yesterday on the CNN website, 15 of the 22 stories at the top of the page were strictly about the President. I didn't read any of those. I did read one of the 7 that were not about the President, and it derided the President several times. It is a pretty compelling story about the first diagnosed patient in WV, and how his wife jumped through many hoops to get him tested and treated. She:

• Called the 1-800 number from WV State notifications about the virus but it didn't work.
• Called the state health department and was told to take him to a doctor
• Called the doctor's office and was told he couldn't go there to call the state health department
• Took him to the emergency room at a hospital but was told that he couldn't enter the hospital and to call the 1-800 number
• Convinced the head nurse to look at her husband through the car window, the hospital then took him through a back entrance and swabbed him to test - She was told that the results would be ready in five days
• Five days later, she called the ER for results and was told to call the state lab.
• She called the state lab who told her to call the county health department.
• She called the county health department who told her that they had no record of her husband being tested.
• She then received a call back from the ER who told her that her husbands swabs had been lost, so he needed to come back in for a second screening.

That is a pretty compelling story. However, the story on CNN has several barbs at the president included in the story. People who are fans of the president are going to stop reading. People who don't like the president are going to pick out bits and pieces to use in arguments about the president. The human interest and system failure points of the story are lost on all except those who ignore the political rancor.

What I would like to see from all across the political spectrum of news is more information and less commentary. I understand that news organizations are going to have commentary, but I wish they would separate factual journalism from opinion. Tell me what is happening in California and Florida without praising one governor and belittling the other. In the press conferences, get actual information from Fauci, FEMA, HHS, etc and don't spend a large portion of the conference attempting to goad the President into making statements that will raise your ratings numbers. The President and the press seem more like an episode of Desperate Housewives of DC than a President and the press corp. I would rather hear from the people standing behind the President and a press corp that actually report information.

So, "Everyone who needs a test is getting a test" is wrong. Thanks for making my point.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

So, "Everyone who needs a test is getting a test" is wrong. Thanks for making my point.

Not according to Dr. Fauci. If you think you know more than he on this subject...welp.

 

[herb]

Can we just use this thread for news, please? Not directed at anyone. There are other threads that cover the political aspects

 

[RonJohn]

So, "Everyone who needs a test is getting a test" is wrong. Thanks for making my point.

What does that have to do with my post, or the quote of yours that I was responding to?

 

[LibertyTurns]

Demand has outstripped supply, so the testing is restricted by the guidelines necessary to limit them. That certainly isn't the case in South Korea. Ideally, anyone with any symptom should be tested, but the CDC guidelines, for example, state that anyone with either respiratory problems or fever should only be tested if they can show they have been in contact with an infected person. Now how many people are going to know whether they have been in contact with an infected person?

To my knowledge and it’s an extremely small subset but if you don’t know if you’ve been in contact, they test you. It’s worked like that for every person we’ve sent home or has called in reporting symptoms.

 

[herb]

I guess not

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

I guess not

I would be more than happy to see this thread devoted to facts about the crisis, but someone always brings politics into it, essentially claiming that he or she knows more than the experts.