Coronavirus Thread

[LibertyTurns]

Miami Dade & metro area are just kicking it out fo the park. They’re above 45% of the Florida’s cases despite being less than 30% of the states population.We’ve got to pay police up here to kick them off the beaches this weekend because they got in cars & drove up here instead of quarantining where they live. Those people down there are incompetent & out of control in everything they do. Damn near everything. We need a state amendment to annex them to New York because it’s annoying paying for their crap all the time literally & figuratively.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

I didn't make assertions about what was happening in SC. I simply stated what orders the governor issued and when he issued them. I got that list straight from the SC governor's own press releases.

I do understand that many local governments and businesses shut down before the governor's orders. The same thing happened in Georgia. I do think the media misrepresented this issue and insinuated that states without statewide shutdown orders were wide open. I just don't understand your contentions that SC was weeks ahead of other states. Businesses and local governments all over the country began shutting things down in mid March.

You’re getting all wrapped around the axle trying to extricate yourself from what you said.

I never said S.C. was weeks ahead of other states. I was only refuting your false information. You were wrong about when schools were closed. You were wrong about when stay at home orders were issued. We’ve covered this for months now.

Around the second week in March the governor said if you don’t have good reason to be out, then don’t go out. Everyone needs to stay home. They would monitor DOT data for compliance and if necessary they’d enact stronger incentives. He said they need everyone’s cooperation. Eventually they added a fine. But to state that we weren’t under a stay at home order until mid April is false. By simply picking out one statement here or there with no other context, you run the risk of spreading misinformation. IIWII. I don’t expect someone who isn’t here to know much of this - there is no way you would have. Happy to answer any other questions too.

 

[GTNavyNuke]

Miami Dade & metro area are just kicking it out fo the park. They’re above 45% of the Florida’s cases despite being less than 30% of the states population.We’ve got to pay police up here to kick them off the beaches this weekend because they got in cars & drove up here instead of quarantining where they live. Those people down there are incompetent & out of control in everything they do. Damn near everything. We need a state amendment to annex them to New York because it’s annoying paying for their crap all the time literally & figuratively.

Isn't Florida great?

I love Carl Hiaasen's view of it. Vast majority come here's and old people. The natives are richer but worse off.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

I just received an email from a Tech friend with the following quotes in it ---

“When we examine the data regarding those who are most likely to die from COVID-19 we find that the median age of death is situated around the 75 years and above bracket, which also sits around the average life expectancy in the US. We also find that 43% of all deaths in the country occur at nursing homes, which in their entirety hold less than 1% of total population.

To put this into context, Gregory van Kipnis writes

“Deaths expressed as a percent of those living in medical care institutions, is 0.682%, more than 50 times the death rate of the rest of the population at 0.012%. The death rate for the overall population is 0.022%.”“

Not knowing who Kipnis is, I Googled him and found that he is Chairman of the Board of the American Institute for Economic Research. That led me to an interesting article by him ---

https://www.aier.org/article/the-fatal-conceit-of-covid-19-epidemic-models/

Frankly, that is above my pay grade in understanding, but his conclusion was entirely understandable ---

"The best answer would be to allow freedom of choice; that is, people should be granted the freedom to pursue personal preferences and arrangements. That freedom will result in manifold decisions. If left to the politician there will be only one decision, one that most assuredly will lead to a loss of personal and economic freedom."

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

Georgia not doing so bad after all --- https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politi...orgia-covid-19-deaths-hit-3-month-low-n597330

 

[LibertyTurns]

@Supersizethatorder-mutt Follow the money & you’ll determine what side of the argument people are on 99% of the time.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

We have seen several countries that have controlled the virus better than the U.S. such as South Korea, New Zealand, South Africa and some Scandinavian countries. Vietnam for instance has recorded 0 deaths. One can speculate that there are different reasons, governmental or cultural factors in each case.

My question is this. Is there any country without a national policy or which has a “everybody do your own thing” approach that is having success?

Not trying to be inflammatory just seriously asking if that is working anywhere.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Just got back from a run, or as my wife calls it - our daily lung function test.

4 or 5 huge July 4th parties just on my street. We’ll have another wave in a few weeks. IIWII.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

We have seen several countries that have controlled the virus better than the U.S. such as South Korea, New Zealand, South Africa and some Scandinavian countries. Vietnam for instance has recorded 0 deaths. One can speculate that there are different reasons, governmental or cultural factors in each case.

My question is this. Is there any country without a national policy or which has a “everybody do your own thing” approach that is having success?

Not trying to be inflammatory just seriously asking if that is working anywhere.

I’m assuming you mean we don’t have one, which is false.

 

[RonJohn]

You’re getting all wrapped around the axle trying to extricate yourself from what you said.

I never said S.C. was weeks ahead of other states. I was only refuting your false information. You were wrong about when schools were closed. You were wrong about when stay at home orders were issued. We’ve covered this for months now.

Around the second week in March the governor said if you don’t have good reason to be out, then don’t go out. Everyone needs to stay home. They would monitor DOT data for compliance and if necessary they’d enact stronger incentives. He said they need everyone’s cooperation. Eventually they added a fine. But to state that we weren’t under a stay at home order until mid April is false. By simply picking out one statement here or there with no other context, you run the risk of spreading misinformation. IIWII. I don’t expect someone who isn’t here to know much of this - there is no way you would have. Happy to answer any other questions too.

I believed that very long ago, late March early April, you had stated that SC had been ahead of other states. If you didn't then I apologize for saying you did.

What false information did I post? I posted a summary of: https://governor.sc.gov/news , which is the South Carolina Governor's web page.

The SC governor closed some schools on 3/13. -- https://governor.sc.gov/news/2020-0...rgency-order-lancaster-kershaw-county-schools

On 3/19, he issued an order to help unemployment claims and that enabled public university presidents to allow people the consider non-essential to work from home. -- https://governor.sc.gov/news/2020-0...rther-action-enhance-states-response-covid-19

On 3/21 he issued an order that allowed sealed alcohol to-go from restaurants, and asked for PPE donations from construction companies. -- https://governor.sc.gov/news/2020-0...ends-income-tax-deadline-allows-curbside-sale

On 3/23 he issued an order that permitted police to break up large groups. -- https://governor.sc.gov/news/2020-03/gov-henry-mcmaster-issues-executive-order-2020-13

On 3/30 he closed beach access. -- https://governor.sc.gov/news/2020-03/gov-henry-mcmaster-orders-public-access-all-beaches-closed

On 3/31 he issued an order closing non-essential businesses, which had a list of such business types. -- https://governor.sc.gov/news/2020-0...non-essential-businesses-closed-throughout-sc

On 4/6 he issued the "Home or Work" order. -- https://governor.sc.gov/news/2020-04/governor-mcmaster-issues-home-or-work-order

What false information is there? If it is false, why is it on the SC governor's web page?

 

[Deleted member 2897]

I believed that very long ago, late March early April, you had stated that SC had been ahead of other states. If you didn't then I apologize for saying you did.

What false information did I post? I posted a summary of: https://governor.sc.gov/news , which is the South Carolina Governor's web page.

The SC governor closed some schools on 3/13. -- https://governor.sc.gov/news/2020-0...rgency-order-lancaster-kershaw-county-schools

On 3/19, he issued an order to help unemployment claims and that enabled public university presidents to allow people the consider non-essential to work from home. -- https://governor.sc.gov/news/2020-0...rther-action-enhance-states-response-covid-19

On 3/21 he issued an order that allowed sealed alcohol to-go from restaurants, and asked for PPE donations from construction companies. -- https://governor.sc.gov/news/2020-0...ends-income-tax-deadline-allows-curbside-sale

On 3/23 he issued an order that permitted police to break up large groups. -- https://governor.sc.gov/news/2020-03/gov-henry-mcmaster-issues-executive-order-2020-13

On 3/30 he closed beach access. -- https://governor.sc.gov/news/2020-03/gov-henry-mcmaster-orders-public-access-all-beaches-closed

On 3/31 he issued an order closing non-essential businesses, which had a list of such business types. -- https://governor.sc.gov/news/2020-0...non-essential-businesses-closed-throughout-sc

On 4/6 he issued the "Home or Work" order. -- https://governor.sc.gov/news/2020-04/governor-mcmaster-issues-home-or-work-order

What false information is there? If it is false, why is it on the SC governor's web page?

Your interpretation of it was false. For example, all schools, colleges, and universities were closed on that day. And the insinuation we didn’t issue stay at home orders until a month after when we did.

I don’t remember what I said back then. Since the news said we didn’t issue stay at home orders until a month after we actually did, it is highly likely I was pointing out that was not correct back then. I don’t believe we were ahead much of anybody - the vast majority of the country issued those directives within about the same week IIRC.

 

[bobongo]

Admittedly, I've basically disengaged in this thread. It's been nice. Not picking on you @bobongo but these quotes trigger me. Specifically... the term "lockdown" ...it has never been defined. Which isn't a problem (using it subjectively) until folks start saying 50% (in US) v 97% (in Europe). ??

A shutdown is not exact science or quantifiable, but you should get the idea. Most everyone understands that Europe locked down more tightly than the U.S., overall.

Yesterday, the U.S. reported 57,000 additional cases. The E.U., including the U.K., reported around 4,000.

Some would conclude that the two might be related, apparently including Dr. Fauci.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

A shutdown is not exact science or quantifiable, but you should get the idea. Most everyone understands that Europe locked down more tightly than the U.S., overall.

Yesterday, the U.S. reported 57,000 additional cases. The E.U., including the U.K., reported around 4,000.

Some would conclude that the two might be related, apparently including Dr. Fauci.

New York City’s numbers mimic Europe. None of them locked down early enough. They all have all of those things in common. It’s easy to have low numbers right now if you’ve had a disease run rampant through you.

 

[bobongo]

New York City’s numbers mimic Europe. None of them locked down early enough. They all have all of those things in common. It’s easy to have low numbers right now if you’ve had a disease run rampant through you.

I don't really get that. I keep hearing it (from you), and it keeps ringing a sour bell. They haven't achieved anything remotely near herd immunity, have they? I would imagine only a few percent of their population has actually contracted the virus, as is the case here. Also, it is Dr. Fauci who is connecting the fact that the E.U. locked down more thoroughly that we did, and now we see the results. Dr. Fauci, the chief advisor in the Administration. They both had it run rampant, and they both locked down tight.

 

[FredJacket]

A shutdown is not exact science or quantifiable, but you should get the idea.

Correct... & I do.

 

[bobongo]

I don't really get that. I keep hearing it (from you), and it keeps ringing a sour bell. They haven't achieved anything remotely near herd immunity, have they? I would imagine only a few percent of their population has actually contracted the virus, as is the case here. Also, it is Dr. Fauci who is connecting the fact that the E.U. locked down more thoroughly that we did, and now we see the results. Dr. Fauci, the chief advisor in the Administration. They both had it run rampant, and they both locked down tight.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

WHO apparently rejects the Henry Ford Health System study of hydroxychloroquine. Considering the various ways WHO has lied or misled in the past, I don't give them any credence on this one either.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...death/ar-BB16l2Ba?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

 

[bobongo]

This Is Why the U.S. Is 'Losing the War With Coronavirus, Doctor Warns:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...ctor-warns/ar-BB16jbPM?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

Kortepeter compared reopening too quickly amid the pandemic to speeding down a highway. "[If] a car in front of you stops, you will put your foot on the brakes. If you let up on the brakes too soon, you will crash," he writes. "This is what has been occurring across the country. As businesses reopen, they have let up on the brakes. If it occurs too quickly, a 'crash' is inevitable."

According to Kortepeter, the "increases in new cases of infection are not surprising." As he sees it, states that reopened more aggressively are seeing COVID surges, while "the states in the northeast that were hammered during the first wave are being a bit more cautious and seeing declining or stable numbers of cases."

 

[Deleted member 2897]

I don't really get that. I keep hearing it (from you), and it keeps ringing a sour bell. They haven't achieved anything remotely near herd immunity, have they? I would imagine only a few percent of their population has actually contracted the virus, as is the case here. Also, it is Dr. Fauci who is connecting the fact that the E.U. locked down more thoroughly that we did, and now we see the results. Dr. Fauci, the chief advisor in the Administration. They both had it run rampant, and they both locked down tight.

You just have to look at the numbers. Most of those European countries had 40,000 deaths months ago, and all said they had thousands and thousands of deaths uncounted due to full hospitals. People were left at home to die. All of this they publicly state. Per capita, their deaths were incredibly worse than ours without New York City. New York City was very similar. It’s pretty easy to see, watch, and quantify. Antibody tests in NYC and those countries confirm massive levels of contagion.

We didn’t have a single person not get a ventilator who needed one. We have no reports of people dying by the thousands at home.

 

[dtm1997]

On top of Covid in Florida, now there's this.