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Texas, Florida and Arizona officials say early reopenings fueled explosion of coronavirus cases

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...f-coronavirus-cases/ar-BB16mf9R?ocid=msedgdhp


"Frustration about the pandemic response has mounted among local leaders, who say they have had to grapple with conflicting orders and frequently changing guidelines from governors and the White House as they try to curb sharply rising infections."
it's msn/WaPo , the only surprise there is it didn't say "rocket-fueled explosion of cases"
 
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From a professor of medicine, Division of Infectious Diseases and Office of Academic Affairs, at the Medical College of Georgia at Augusta University, a fellow of the American College of Physicians and of the Infectious Diseases Society of America, as printed in today's Augusta Chronicle ---

SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has been in Georgia since at least March. I personally have been involved in the care of dozens of persons admitted to AU Medical Center with COVID-19. My colleagues, including those in nursing, have taken care of hundreds of persons with COVID-19. Recently, there has been an increase in the number of new cases, as well as the number of persons hospitalized, both locally and throughout Georgia.

Many individuals are wondering whether Georgia reopened too soon. Before I give my opinion, I want to review the facts.

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp issued a shelter-in-place order effective at 6 p.m. April 3. The number of new daily cases, as reported by the Georgia Department of Public Health, continued to increase for another three weeks before declining somewhat. The shelter-in-place order was lifted for most Georgians on April 30.

Of note: The number of persons hospitalized in Georgia with COVID-19 actually decreased steadily for the subsequent five weeks, from about 1,500 in early May to about 800 in the first week of June. It was not until the middle of June that the number of hospitalized persons with COVID-19 began to increase. As of July 1, there were about 1,500 people hospitalized in Georgia with COVID-19.
Since the epidemic began, we have learned that social distancing, often defined as staying 6 feet or more from the next closest person, reduces the risk of infection. Similarly, wearing masks and avoiding crowds reduce the risk of infection.

We also have learned of the economic, physical and mental health costs of sheltering in place. Schools, K-12 and universities, have been closed to in-person classes since the middle of March. Many of us at Augusta University, including myself, have been working very hard to develop plans for how to return safely in the fall to in-person classes. As a parent of an undergraduate and as an educator, I want to have confidence that my daughter and my students can receive an optimal educational experience in a safe environment.

The AU faculty, and faculty throughout the University System of Georgia and at private universities in Georgia, have learned what works well with remote learning, and what does not work as well. For instance, it simply is not possible to train the next generation of health care providers completely virtually or remotely.

I do not believe that Gov. Kemp reopened Georgia too soon. In addition, I have been impressed with how well the local restaurants, stores, hair salons and other businesses have adhered to guidelines concerning masks and social distancing. Similarly, I do not believe that it is too early to resume in-person classes at any level. The recent increase in the number of people hospitalized in Georgia with COVID-19 almost certainly represents a relaxation of social distancing and mask use at the individual level.

We need to return to some semblance of the lives we led prior to COVID-19. We all know what needs to be done to do so safely. Now it is up to each and everyone of us to show that we mean it, by following sound public health advice.
 
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And in another piece penned by an assistant professor with the Knox School of Accountancy in the Hull College of Business at Augusta University; a certified public accountant, a chartered global management accountant, a certified management accountant and a certified financial manager.

Many states’ governors are pausing or even reversing plans to reopen their states during the COVID-19 health emergency. Here in Georgia, we were not only one of the last states to close, but we are one of the most aggressive states in reopening. We are charging full speed ahead in the face of the recent increases in positive cases and hospitalizations.

Is this a smart and rational path? Should Georgia businesses reopen? No doubt this virus is deadly. No doubt this is a hard decision.

On one extreme we have those supporting a total, albeit temporary, shutdown of society until the virus runs its course or a vaccine is widely available. On the other extreme, we have those arguing against any restrictions to their rights – important rights such as the freedom of assembly and the free exercise of religion.

I do not think this is an either-or choice – that is a false dichotomy. We have a rational, evidence-based middle path. Businesses, churches and schools can reopen and operate carefully. But being “pro-opening” does not mean that we should party in the bars or frolic in crowds at the beaches.

So why should businesses and other socially based activities reopen against the urging of well-intentioned public health officials?

Not to diminish the impact of any premature deaths, but there are serious long-term consequences to not getting back to work. Everyone sees the historic spike in unemployment, the surge in demand at food banks and the permanent shuttering of businesses without sustainable financial resources. These are actual consequences to shutdowns, and public health officials and other thoughtful commentators will say it is the price we have to pay to save lives.

Regardless of people’s and businesses’ financial crises, stifling economic and social life has led to dramatic drops in childhood vaccinations, routine medical and dental screenings, voter registration rates and childhood education – all of which will have long-term negative impacts on our society. It is widely expected that we will see increases in mental health issues, suicide, alcohol and drug abuse, and domestic violence.

Also, the consequences of business shutdowns disproportionately affect our most vulnerable citizens, further disadvantaging them. These are the people who do not always have the option to telework or to share child care and home-schooling duties with a partner.

I think a fully considered argument suggests businesses should be allowed to reopen if they choose. For business owners, and by extension the employees who work with them, cash to operate is running low as tax credits and emergency loans are running out or have not gotten to those who need them – microbusinesses and businesses unable to meet the application restrictions.

This is not about saving Wall Street; it is about saving Broad Street. Employees need to work to earn money to pay their bills and feed their families. What about employees who cannot afford to miss work but are afraid of the virus? These economically distressed employees, like all employees, deserve to be protected. This is a workplace safety issue, and under federal law, and good business ethics, employees are entitled to a safe workplace.

Science has learned, and subsequently educated businesses, on the proper hygienic measures to help protect employees and customers against this highly transmissible virus. This means commonsense measures such as rigorous cleaning of high-touch surfaces, frequent hand-washing and social distancing.

It also means mandatory masking. Being required to wear a face mask is perceived by some as paternalistic governmental overreach who feel it impinges upon their rights. For others, face-covering has been perverted into a partisan issue where wearing a mask or not is viewed as a provocative political statement.

Regardless, some high-profile companies have appropriately learned. Costco requires customers to wear masks to shop in their stores, and Delta requires passengers to wear masks to fly. This is not a matter of infringement of rights. Customers have the choice to comply or to not spend their money with that business. But businesses have a legal and moral responsibility to keep their employees safe.

Here in Georgia, and in Augusta, public officials have strongly encouraged the wearing of masks when away from home. Although your glasses may fog, you might imagine you are not getting enough oxygen in our muggy summer heat (you are), or you are not feeling sick (AU Health Chief Medical Officer Phillip Coule reports that 90% of infected people have mild or NO symptoms), it is rational and compassionate to wear a mask.

Deciding whether to send your children to school or to go to church in the time of COVID-19 are hard decisions. Deciding whether to reopen a business is a tough decision, too, but the evidence tells me it can be done rationally and carefully.

But one decision that is easy is deciding to wear a mask. I certainly do.
 

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Texas, Florida and Arizona officials say early reopenings fueled explosion of coronavirus cases

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...f-coronavirus-cases/ar-BB16mf9R?ocid=msedgdhp


"Frustration about the pandemic response has mounted among local leaders, who say they have had to grapple with conflicting orders and frequently changing guidelines from governors and the White House as they try to curb sharply rising infections."

Their misplaced butt hurt is real. It’s bad behavior that fueled it, not that they reopened. It’s the same reason how when we were all shut down we still had 30,000 cases a day. I’ve run multiple races, been to a high school graduation, and currently sit at a hotel on the beach for vacation in Florida with my family. You can do all these things without getting the virus if you behave. We all laughed hysterically at our bellhop who said the virus was all political and nothing of substance. What can anybody or any law do about people like that?
 

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In just about a month we've gone from 20,000 to over 50,000 cases a day. What would you call it?
panic porn....
what they don't tell you is that the two numbers aren't comparable because testing is greater now.
If testing is 100% greater now than it was then, you'd need to double the 20K for direct comparison which would mean a 25% increase rather than a 150% increase.
Quite different in reality than the agenda they attempt to promote.
(that's over simplified cuz you'd need to adjust at a state level or lower,that just isn't easy to do)
I don't know the actual increase in testing but i'm just trying to make a point, not saying the increase isn't real,it is.
but your local hospital % bed availibility and the death rate are more important.
i'm not trying to excuse idiots who don't wear masks or social distance when appropriate.
 

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Their misplaced butt hurt is real. It’s bad behavior that fueled it, not that they reopened. It’s the same reason how when we were all shut down we still had 30,000 cases a day.

We weren't "all shut down". It was half-arsed.
30,000 a day was at the former peak. Then we got on the slightest down slope and immediately started talking re-open. That's the problem. It was too little and not long enough.
 

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panic porn....
what they don't tell you is that the two numbers aren't comparable because testing is greater now.

Percentages of test results being positive are greater, which means the rate of infection is increasing.
Hospitals are getting filled up again in Texas, Florida, and Arizona, the states the article was about. Do you know what that means? It means it's getting WORSE.

For a comparison, you could travel to the E.U. and find out how things are coming along there...oh, wait.
 

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panic porn....
what they don't tell you is that the two numbers aren't comparable because testing is greater now.
If testing is 100% greater now than it was then, you'd need to double the 20K for direct comparison which would mean a 25% increase rather than a 150% increase.
Quite different in reality than the agenda they attempt to promote.
(that's over simplified cuz you'd need to adjust at a state level or lower,that just isn't easy to do)
I don't know the actual increase in testing but i'm just trying to make a point, not saying the increase isn't real,it is.
but your local hospital % bed availibility and the death rate are more important.
i'm not trying to excuse idiots who don't wear masks or social distance when appropriate.
I can’t speak for other states but Florida is testing 4-5x what we were testing 2 months ago, we’re at about 7x the number of positives.

Death rate is plummeting which is why we don’t hear about it any more. It was around 4% and is now probably 0.5%, so about 1/8th of what it was but that’s because like every other area where there’s youthful positives, the death rate is similarly low.

Hospitalizations are up but hospitalization rate is plummeting as well. It’s up 0.5x vs 7x new cases.The ICU bed deal is mostly political shenanigans. There’s hot spots- Miami, St Pete, etc but the rest of the state is mocking the hospital freakoutery yapping at the moment. Tell it to the Nurses still furloughed & hospital wings completely shut down.
 

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Percentages of test results being positive are greater, which means the rate of infection is increasing.
Hospitals are getting filled up again in Texas, Florida, and Arizona, the states the article was about. Do you know what that means? It means it's getting WORSE.

For a comparison, you could travel to the E.U. and find out how things are coming along there...oh, wait.

The first part of your post is bang on. The second part is panic porn - would you have visited there a couple months ago when their countries were absolutely ravaged? You don’t get numbers like they have now without having been there first - just ask NYC.
 

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The first part of your post is bang on. The second part is panic porn - would you have visited there a couple months ago when their countries were absolutely ravaged? You don’t get numbers like they have now without having been there first - just ask NYC.
NYC-=LOL
 

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We need to return to some semblance of the lives we led prior to COVID-19. We all know what needs to be done to do so safely. Now it is up to each and everyone of us to show that we mean it, by following sound public health advice.
Yeah, we are all screwed if trusting in our fellow man to do the right thing is the new strategy.
 
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