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Why no love for Louisville if they win out and are ACC champs? Yes, the Pitt loss was bad, but it was one-off after a big win against Notre Dame. Obviously some dominos would need to fall for the one-loss debate to happen, but they should at least be in the conversation.
 

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Now that we know the SEC championship will be uga vs Bama, there is a plausible scenario that the committee could struggle with:

All currently undefeated teams win out their regular season except the loser of Michigan-Ohio State. Bama also wins out. This is not unlikely and will result in 4 undefeated P5 teams. Let's also assume the 4 undefeated win their respective conference championships, except,...

Bama beats uga and wins the SEC. Both uga and Bama are then 12-1. Both teams have been playing dominant football towards the end of the season; uga has slightly better scores against common opponents.

So for the playoff, do you select uga over Bama, which they just lost to, and leave Bama out despite them being SEC champs? Or do you select both and leave out 2 undefeated conference champions? Or do you leave out uga and select all conference champs? If Texas also wins out they may also have a case due to beating Bama, although their resume includes several very close calls plus a loss.
There can only be 3 Non SEC undefeated Conference Champions. ACC, B1G and PAC. Washington is the team most likely to lose a game as they are at a good Oregon State team, rivalry game against Washington State and the PAC Championship Game.

The scenario you point out where the challenge comes in is if Alabama does beat UGA in the SEC Championship game. If Texas does win out including the Big12 Championship Game the Committee has a challenge on its hands.

Texas did win at Alabama in September. That has to matter. Since then Alabama has appeared to be the better team. I actually hope this is how it plays out.

I do think a 1 loss Conference Champion likely gets in over the SEC runner up. Basically Oregon or Texas.
 

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Why no love for Louisville if they win out and are ACC champs? Yes, the Pitt loss was bad, but it was one-off after a big win against Notre Dame. Obviously some dominos would need to fall for the one-loss debate to happen, but they should at least be in the conversation.
Louisville is not in the league of the other 1 loss teams. They have the worst loss by a mile and no real signature wins.
 

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Why no love for Louisville if they win out and are ACC champs? Yes, the Pitt loss was bad, but it was one-off after a big win against Notre Dame. Obviously some dominos would need to fall for the one-loss debate to happen, but they should at least be in the conversation.
Yeah, weirdly, Louisville has been dissed all season even though they’ve had a solid season. The problem is they didn’t get all the preseason love that some other teams got. Even though they would absolutely destroy Tennessee or Mississippi if they played them, those teams were just “assumed” to be better from the get go. Moral of the story is to make sure you get a preseason ranking. It allows you to climb faster and farther in the polls if you win and you don’t fall as far if you lose.
 

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Now that we know the SEC championship will be uga vs Bama, there is a plausible scenario that the committee could struggle with:

All currently undefeated teams win out their regular season except the loser of Michigan-Ohio State. Bama also wins out. This is not unlikely and will result in 4 undefeated P5 teams. Let's also assume the 4 undefeated win their respective conference championships, except,...

Bama beats uga and wins the SEC. Both uga and Bama are then 12-1. Both teams have been playing dominant football towards the end of the season; uga has slightly better scores against common opponents.

So for the playoff, do you select uga over Bama, which they just lost to, and leave Bama out despite them being SEC champs? Or do you select both and leave out 2 undefeated conference champions? Or do you leave out uga and select all conference champs? If Texas also wins out they may also have a case due to beating Bama, although their resume includes several very close calls plus a loss.
In that scenario, they will pick the two SECheat teams. Goodbye FSU, Texas, Washington or all three.
 

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Yeah, weirdly, Louisville has been dissed all season even though they’ve had a solid season. The problem is they didn’t get all the preseason love that some other teams got. Even though they would absolutely destroy Tennessee or Mississippi if they played them, those teams were just “assumed” to be better from the get go. Moral of the story is to make sure you get a preseason ranking. It allows you to climb faster and farther in the polls if you win and you don’t fall as far if you lose.
They get to show their chops against Kentucky. They better win that easily.

Your distain for Mizzou is odd. They have played well this year. Better than any ACC Team less FSU and Louisville.

FSU struggled with Miami yesterday. They better lay it on Florida as well or the ACC sucke narrative will ring true again.
 

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They get to show their chops against Kentucky. They better win that easily.

Your distain for Mizzou is odd. They have played well this year. Better than any ACC Team less FSU and Louisville.

FSU struggled with Miami yesterday. They better lay it on Florida as well or the ACC sucke narrative will ring true again.
Rivalry games aren’t as cut and dried as other games in terms of point spreads or outcomes.

I knew at the beginning of the year that Miami vs FSU would be a close game. Anyone who didn’t hasn’t been paying attention. But I expect Louisville and FSU to beat their rivals.
 

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They get to show their chops against Kentucky. They better win that easily.

Your distain for Mizzou is odd. They have played well this year. Better than any ACC Team less FSU and Louisville.

FSU struggled with Miami yesterday. They better lay it on Florida as well or the ACC sucke narrative will ring true again.
They get a chance to prove it against Florida State. Not only that, 4 to 5 teams in front of them will lose again. Several top 10 teams get matched up in conference championship games. You’re right that Louisville hasn’t gotten much credit so far, but they will be right in the mix if they win out.
 

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Why no love for Louisville if they win out and are ACC champs? Yes, the Pitt loss was bad, but it was one-off after a big win against Notre Dame. Obviously some dominos would need to fall for the one-loss debate to happen, but they should at least be in the conversation.
If they finish 12-1, don’t see why not. We’ll see the bias if multiple conference champs are 12-1. That’s if they get by Kentucky and FSU.
 

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Article on who the 12 in the CFP this year would be based on likely requirements for next year.
The writer goes in depth about how expanding the playoff is not likely to add much more interest as who is going to be in a 12 team CFP as it has been largely the same for the last 3 weeks (The top 10 teams have only lost to other Top 10 teams the past 3 weeks).
The only question at this point would be which G5 team gets a bid and who is in which slot.

The writer doesn't mention it but i'll add that it likely would make interest in the conference championship games lower as for most of them they would have no impact on the teams who would make a 12 team playoff.

 

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Article on who the 12 in the CFP this year would be based on likely requirements for next year.
The writer goes in depth about how expanding the playoff is not likely to add much more interest as who is going to be in a 12 team CFP as it has been largely the same for the last 3 weeks (The top 10 teams have only lost to other Top 10 teams the past 3 weeks).
The only question at this point would be which G5 team gets a bid and who is in which slot.

The writer doesn't mention it but i'll add that it likely would make interest in the conference championship games lower as for most of them they would have no impact on the teams who would make a 12 team playoff.

He's a bit self-congratulatory, but the points he made are correct. This year the uga-Bama game for the SEC title means a lot. The loser is likley not going to be in the playoff group. Next year it will simply be a minor spat re seeding. Will ESPN stream it ESPN+ and show a volleyball match on ESPN. I guess the 1st roound bye is worth something. But, not if the bye simply avoids having to play Tulane in the opening round.

That said, he fails to consider the absence of the PAC12 when making the list of his mock playoff teams. Washington, Michigan and tOSU are all undefeated, but certainly one is out this year. Maybe all three plus Penn State or Oregon would be in with the new format next year. Could we see five teams from one confference in the playoffs?
 

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He's a bit self-congratulatory, but the points he made are correct. This year the uga-Bama game for the SEC title means a lot. The loser is likley not going to be in the playoff group. Next year it will simply be a minor spat re seeding. Will ESPN stream it ESPN+ and show a volleyball match on ESPN. I guess the 1st roound bye is worth something. But, not if the bye simply avoids having to play Tulane in the opening round.

That said, he fails to consider the absence of the PAC12 when making the list of his mock playoff teams. Washington, Michigan and tOSU are all undefeated, but certainly one is out this year. Maybe all three plus Penn State or Oregon would be in with the new format next year. Could we see five teams from one confference in the playoffs?
Yep. Next year Washington will awaken at some point realizing that they could be undefeated in the PAC and heading to the CFP, but are sitting with 2-3 losses in the B1G and going nowhere.
 

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Yep. Next year Washington will awaken at some point realizing that they could be undefeated in the PAC and heading to the CFP, but are sitting with 2-3 losses in the B1G and going nowhere.
That only happens if they play Ohio State and Michigan in the first 5 games. They can handle most of the B1G with ease.
 

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That only happens if they play Ohio State and Michigan in the first 5 games. They can handle most of the B1G with ease.
PSU is a very good team. Iowa has another lockdown good D. Maybe they win, but maybe not as easy as you think. And there’s always Oregon, too.
 

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PSU is a very good team. Iowa has another lockdown good D. Maybe they win, but maybe not as easy as you think. And there’s always Oregon, too.
My point is there are as many good teams in the PAC 12 as there are in the B1G. ThePAC lacks respect simply because the East Coast and Midwest never see them play.
 

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My point is there are as many good teams in the PAC 12 as there are in the B1G. ThePAC lacks respect simply because the East Coast and Midwest never see them play.

The PAC-12 lacks respect mainly because their record against other P5 conferences isn't good, except this year and in 2018. Ironically, the league the PAC-12 feasted on in 2018 was the B1G, going 5-1 against them.
 

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The PAC-12 lacks respect mainly because their record against other P5 conferences isn't good, except this year and in 2018. Ironically, the league the PAC-12 feasted on in 2018 was the B1G, going 5-1 against them.
Not respecting the PAC 12 this year is silly. They are a good conference.
 

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Not respecting the PAC 12 this year is silly. They are a good conference.

For one, I never said anything about disrespecting the PAC-12 THIS YEAR. I was disagreeing with your assertion about WHY people do disrespect them. It's not because people don't see them play, it's because the historical results of their play against other P5 conferences hasn't earned them any respect...
 

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For one, I never said anything about disrespecting the PAC-12 THIS YEAR. I was disagreeing with your assertion about WHY people do disrespect them. It's not because people don't see them play, it's because the historical results of their play against other P5 conferences hasn't earned them any respect...
We disagree. Have you watched Arizona play? Have you watched Oregon State play? Most of America has not and is clueless they are good teams.

Their time zone makes watching PAC games very difficult.

There have only been 3 dominant College football teams the past 8-9 years. Georgia, Bama and Clemson.
 
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