Anthem Protests

[Deleted member 2897]

The vast majority of TEA party principles I am aware of are the opposite of fascism!

That's the way the world works sometimes. For example, some of the most intolerant, bigoted, hateful people I know are the ones who complain loudest about intolerance, bigotry, and hate.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/opinion/trump-republicans.html

I guess what has me up in a frenzy about this is that I discovered that a large number of people vote on the basis of identity. And for a lot of people on the right, the basis of that identity is, in my believe, rooted in white tribalism.

I'm a little awed by the tint of the glasses you see the world through to not recognize the way the Democrat party has used identity politics as a primary means of gaining political power.

As to the article you cite. People far too often act as sheep. It's a tad humorous that a similar study wasn't done regarding Obama during his administration. I highly suspect the results would be similar.

I'm confounded by your belief that mainstream conservatives are more fascist, or fascist at all actually, than socialist liberals. I admit to no longer being interested in flushing this paradox out.

 

[RonJohn]

We increasingly do not live in a market economy. How many cable providers do you have? What kind of medical access do you have?

How many people do you know who want anyone who offends them silenced?

Which has exactly what to do with the definition of facism? Seems odd to completely change the subject to irrelevant subjects when I point out that you used the word incorrectly.

I believe your two points are misleading at best.

I don't personally know anyone who wants anyone silenced. I do know people who don't want to listen to some people mainly because they are annoying. I personally have ignored about 40 people on this forum, but I haven't lobbied for those people to be taken off of the forum. I just don't look at their posts.

 

[Wrecking Ball]

I'm a little awed by the tint of the glasses you see the world through to not recognize the way the Democrat party has used identity politics as a primary means of gaining political power.

As to the article you cite. People far too often act as sheep. It's a tad humorous that a similar study wasn't done regarding Obama during his administration. I highly suspect the results would be similar.

I'm confounded by your belief that mainstream conservatives are more fascist, or fascist at all actually, than socialist liberals. I admit to no longer being interested in flushing this paradox out.

After the last primary season, I'm convinced that a huge portion of the GOP base are washed out Dixiecrats who listen to Alex Jones.

They're certainly not conservatives of any sort I'm familiar with. We just obviously disagree over whether this is a problem and if it is to what extent it exists.

 

[Wrecking Ball]

The vast majority of TEA party principles I am aware of are the opposite of fascism!

That's the way the world works sometimes. For example, some of the most intolerant, bigoted, hateful people I know are the ones who complain loudest about intolerance, bigotry, and hate.

In Appalachia, let me tell you, these folks hail the Oregon ranch nuts as "patriots." They listen to Alex Jones, they believe Donald Trump is just like Ronald Reagan, etc.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

I may have to applaud @w

After the last primary season, I'm convinced that a huge portion of the GOP base are washed out Dixiecrats who listen to Alex Jones.

They're certainly not conservatives of any sort I'm familiar with. We just obviously disagree over whether this is a problem and if it is to what extent it exists.

Now you are exposing your ignorance. Dixiecrats became southern Democrats.

I applaud you on your successful derail of the thread though. Well played sir.

 

[Wrecking Ball]

Which has exactly what to do with the definition of facism? Seems odd to completely change the subject to irrelevant subjects when I point out that you used the word incorrectly.

I believe your two points are misleading at best.

I don't personally know anyone who wants anyone silenced. I do know people who don't want to listen to some people mainly because they are annoying. I personally have ignored about 40 people on this forum, but I haven't lobbied for those people to be taken off of the forum. I just don't look at their posts.

I didn't change the subject. I illustrated that we have state-sponsored monopolies (which was actually the German fascist model) and a clear worship of the state.

Kevin Williamson at the Nat Review ran an article last year titled "Father Fuhrer" which at the time I thought was harsh but now think was really clear insight.

 

[Wrecking Ball]

I may have to applaud @w


Now you are exposing your ignorance. Dixiecrats became southern Democrats.

I applaud you on your successful derail of the thread though. Well played sir.

No, they left the Democratic Party after voting for George Wallace and were actively recruited over civil rights issues by the republicans at the time in a cynical power grab.

Southern Baptists for instance have completely flipped from one party to the other and it ain't the Dems they flipped to.

 

[Wrecking Ball]

I may have to applaud @w


Now you are exposing your ignorance. Dixiecrats became southern Democrats.

I applaud you on your successful derail of the thread though. Well played sir.

They didn't "become democrats" they were kicked out of the party, reconciled, and kicked out again.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

@Wrecking Ball

Stop spamming and derailing please.

 

[Yoda]

I haven't read this whole thread. Can someone tell me what all the kneeling is about? I have no idea what they are protesting. And please go into more detail than just "oppression".

 

[AE 87]

Every once in a while

[QUOTE="Wrecking Ball, post: 346248, member: 1287 I'll say that the local tea party in my town is in love with the man. They are totally and completely fascist in every sense of the word. on.

There you go again trying to be ugly and calling folks names. What exactly do you mean by "fascist"? Your one off story of a guy saying protesters should be incarcerated? The vast majority of TEA party principles I am aware of are the opposite of fascism![/QUOTE]

ProTip: when you accidentally erase the close bracket of your quote, I see posts that I normally wouldn't see, and that annoys me

 

[GT_05]

I haven't read this whole thread. Can someone tell me what all the kneeling is about? I have no idea what they are protesting. And please go into more detail than just "oppression".

Seriously? Cliff's notes? It would be hard to unpack this thread into anything tidy but I would definitely recommend skipping the last 50 or so posts. IMO, this baby went off the rails at about 5 o'clock. Good luck!


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[awbuzz]

... For example, some of the most intolerant, bigoted, hateful people I know are the ones who complain loudest about intolerance, bigotry, and hate.

TRUE!

 

[TechTravis]

It's a bit ironic that you say the numbers / stats involving this issue don't matter and then you go on to cite a "disproportionate number" as part of your argument. Then when I provide links to details of these incidents you disregard them. Not much point discussing the matter with the closed minded.

I'm not entirely sure I care what you think of my argument/lack thereof. I'm not the one who poos my pants over any percieved slight of the flag...

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Back on point....


Radical fascism?


From a year ago I believe

I did a utube search for "NFL fans" the results showed multiple links to fans burning NFL gear and game tickets. I wonder if NFL execs are taking notice.

 

[jeffgt14]

Folks staring to get testy in here. In effort to get this back on track I have a question for both sides of the fence.

a) I've heard many people claim they are ok with protesting but wish these athletes would find another way that they don't find offensive and disrespectful to the flag. Isn't this just another way of saying please find a way to protest whereas I can ignore it?

b) For those protesting, wouldn't it be more effective to list certain measurable goals of what you would like accomplished rather than just saying "****s bad, someone other than me figure out how to fix it".

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

I'm not entirely sure I care what you think of my argument/lack thereof. I'm not the one who poos my pants over any percieved slight of the flag...

Then don't quote me darling

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Folks staring to get testy in here. In effort to get this back on track I have a question for both sides of the fence.

a) I've heard many people claim they are ok with protesting but wish these athletes would find another way that they don't find offensive and disrespectful to the flag. Isn't this just another way of saying please find a way to protest whereas I can ignore it?

b) For those protesting, wouldn't it be more effective to list certain measurable goals of what you would like accomplished rather than just saying "****s bad, someone other than me figure out how to fix it".

a) I believe the perceptions in society at the root of this "protest" have merit. I believe they are fueled in large part by misperceptions but they are reasonable perceptions nonetheless. It was a primary reason I created the "cops" thread to discuss this very issue.

b) problem is many on this side of the fence believe racism is rampant in society and minorities are oppressed currently and continuously. So in their minds the entire nation needs to be fixed.

 

[ATL1]

They're are measurables and easily accomplishable goals already presented.

For the life of me I don't understand the vitriol about the protest. Like to kneel is to pay homage in the first place. People do all types of disrespectful code violating things with the flag daily and no one cares. I've seen people mad about the flag protest with confederate flags literally plastered all over their vehicles. The hypocrisy is so blatant. What are you really mad about. I don't believe it's from kneeling before a flag. Matter of fact I know it's not that.