ACC Discussion 2019-20

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g0lftime said:
To just win a first round game in the ACCT would be an improvement. We can do it this year. I still question why we are not dropping our appeal since we don't have a record for any post season.
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I still have yet to see a confirmation that it is possible to drop the appeal. I don't recall hearing about that happening before but I could be mistaken.
 

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MWBATL said:
And we should get excited by that......why?
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Understand your point but I would get excited about the NIT for the players if no other reason. And would "compartmentalize" that versus any feelings about coaching situation or otherwise where I had hoped for more than the NIT this year. :cool:
 

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Typical ACC night last night.
Wake goes and beats Duke. Wonder if that will be enough for the new AD to keep Manning and not have to deal with his contract yet.
UNC beats NC ST again. So after beating Duke NCST has lost 2 in a row and are once again in danger of missing the Tourney.
 

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Typical ACC night last night.
Wake goes and beats Duke. Wonder if that will be enough for the new AD to keep Manning and not have to deal with his contract yet.
UNC beats NC ST again. So after beating Duke NCST has lost 2 in a row and are once again in danger of missing the Tourney.
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Wake Forest had 50 free throw attempts. 50!!!!

By comparison, last night we had 13 attempts.
 

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bwelbo said:
Double OT adds 10 minutes to make it a 50 minute contest instead of 40 minutes. They had 25% more minutes and took 285% more free throws.
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There was a lot of late game fouling at the end of those periods. I’m not about to take the time to pull the numbers but I did watch.
 

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Possible finishing standings in the ACC:
Louisville (13-3), Duke (12-3), Florida State (12-3) - separation for 1/2/3 - they are likely all locked in.

Virginia (10-5): @Pitt, VT, Duke, @Miami, Louisville. That smells like a 3-2 finish = 13-7
NC State (8-7): FSU, @UNC, Pitt, @Duke, Wake. That smells like a 2-3 finish = 10-10 (plus we own the tiebreaker)
Clemson (7-8): @BC, @GT, FSU, @VT, GT. That smells like a 2-3 finish = 9-11 (tiebreaker against us in play)
Notre Dame (7-8): Miami, @BC, @Wake, FSU, VT. That smells like a 3-2 or 4-1 finish, plus they own the tiebreaker = 10-10 or 11-9. We need to finish ahead of them.
Syracuse (7-8): GT, @Pitt, UNC, @BC, @Miami. That could be a sweep, but we'll say 4-1 = 11-9.
Georgia Tech (7-8): @Syracuse, Clemson, Miami, Pitt, @Clemson. 3-2 or optimist case 4-1 = 10-10 or possibly 11-9.
Boston College (7-9): Clemson, ND, Syracuse, @FSU. Yuck, maybe 1-3? Could be an o-fer = best case of 8-12.

If these things happen, the final standings would be:
1, 2, 3: Louisville, Duke, FSU in some order
4: Virginia (13-7)
5: Syracuse (11-9) ...owns tiebreaker for now over ND...and likely over us.
6: Notre Dame (11-9) ...owns tiebreaker over us.
7: Georgia Tech (10-10) ...even if we finish 11-9 we don't have the tiebreaker with ND and probably wouldn't w/Syracuse.
8: NC State (10-10) ...we own the tiebreaker.
9: Clemson (9-11) ...tiebreaker in play with us if we both finish like 10-10.
10: Boston College (8-12)

VT, Miami, and Pitt have 6 wins. They all play very tough finishing schedules, so I don't see how they win 3 or 4 of them.

11, 12, 13: Pitt, VT, Miami (7-13)
14) Wake Forest (5-15)
15) UNC (5-15) ...they may get last place by losing a tie breaker to Wake Forest LOLOLOL.

If we finish #6, we'd skip the first day and then we'd play the #14/#11 winner from the day before.
If we finish #7, we'd skip the first day and then we'd play the #15/#10 winner from the day before.
If we finish #8, we'd skip the first day and then we'd play the #9 who would also be in their first game.

2 morals of the story:
1) We don't want to finish #10 or worse, as we'd have to play the first day, and then face a fresh team on day 2 if we win.
2) Finishing inside the top 7 is also a very big advantage, as we'd face a team that just played the night before.
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Strangely, still on track for all of these records and finishes, all the way dow the list.

Duke loses to a terrible Wake Forest team and stays #5 on KenPom.
Louisville #13 KenPom.
Florida State #16.
Virginia #48.

I still think that's it for the NCAAT, barring some strange change.

NC State #53.
Notre Dame #56.
Syracuse #59.
Clemson #68.
Georgia Tech #74. (Up from > 100 about a month ago.) . If we run the table our final 3 games, I don't think we break 50. We don't hardly move but like 2 spots when we win.
North Carolina #90.
Wake Forest #93.
Virginia Tech #99.
Miami #107.

Could have like 8 NIT teams.
 
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I thought the officials called a decent game. If anything, Duke got a cluster of favorable calls on close plays.

Duke was handed the same options they usually hand out. Foul our best FT shooter's or we will drain the clock. Wake is a good FT team. They had a smart gameplan and executed it well.
 

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MiracleWhips said:
There was a lot of late game fouling at the end of those periods. I’m not about to take the time to pull the numbers but I did watch.
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I mean, that was kind of the point of the thread. Duke was the team leading almost the entire second half...from about 2 minutes in until 20 seconds left in regulation.
 
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RyanS12 said:
View attachment 7846 https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/
My guys at UDM appealed their postseason ban and it was denied by the NCAA. Nice to see my old coach at Oakland stepping up for UDM too!
Is this a sign of what we should expect too?
If we can drop it and self impose for this season I say do it. My fear is we end up ineligible next year and we see guys like Mike, Jose and Moses transfer out.
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UDM first learned of the postseason ban in May, so their appeal was longer in the process than ours. It was also for a specific rule violation for which the penalty is specified as a postseason ban.

If I understand, we said our penalty was too harsh given the facts. I can see that could take longer. But it baffles me as to why it takes so long to adjudicate these appeals.
 
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bwelbo said:
Strangely, still on track for all of these records and finishes, all the way dow the list.

Duke loses to a terrible Wake Forest team and stays #5 on KenPom.
Louisville #13 KenPom.
Florida State #16.
Virginia #48.

I still think that's it for the NCAAT, barring some strange change.

NC State #53.
Notre Dame #56.
Syracuse #59.
Clemson #68.
Georgia Tech #74. (Up from > 100 about a month ago.) . If we run the table our final 3 games, I don't think we break 50. We don't hardly move but like 2 spots when we win.
North Carolina #90.
Wake Forest #93.
Virginia Tech #99.
Miami #107.

Could have like 8 NIT teams.
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We also improved our NET ranking from #79 to #76 over night.

Said another way, we are one spot shy of giving 6 teams a Quad 1 win (we are 8-6 at home).

The team ahead of us? Clemson.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings
 

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orientalnc said:
I thought the officials called a decent game. If anything, Duke got a cluster of favorable calls on close plays.

Duke was handed the same options they usually hand out. Foul our best FT shooter's or we will drain the clock. Wake is a good FT team. They had a smart gameplan and executed it well.
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WF took 15 FTS in the OT. Duke took 14. So in regulation the FT disparity was 35-20. In addition, Carey fouled out in only 19 minutes of play. Now I wasn't paying super close attention to the game, didn't start watching until about halfway through the second, but those things wouldn't sit well with me if I were a Duke fan.
 
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There was a reason Wake took more FTs than Duke and it wasn't the officiating. Duke took almost a third of their shots from 3-point range. Wake less than one sixth. I liked the way Wake attacked Duke early and got Carey in foul trouble. When a team executes their game plan as well as Wake did last night, they are going to be hard to beat. Duke committed 16 turnovers in addition to all those personal fouls

Duke fans are prone to complain. They are so used to getting the calls in their favor that a balanced game seems unfair to them. I don't want officials beating Duke, but it's always enjoyable when they lose. A local Duke loud mouth was complaining that Duke had to play subs in the OTs because so many guys had fouled out. Well, darn. Those 4* subs would be starting at most schools.
 
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WF took 15 FTS in the OT. Duke took 14. So in regulation the FT disparity was 35-20. In addition, Carey fouled out in only 19 minutes of play. Now I wasn't paying super close attention to the game, didn't start watching until about halfway through the second, but those things wouldn't sit well with me if I were a Duke fan.
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**** dook fans.
 

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CuseJacket said:
Carolina board game thread. Feel free to start here:
https://247sports.com/college/north...e-thread-unc-vs-notre-dame-143934527/?page=18
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I'm calling it karma for those fake classes & their fans' arrogance & snottiness in their claims that no they didn't cheat.
If their obnoxious fans had just manned up to cheating & having fake classes, I'd have a smidge of respect for them but no they still do not admit to their fake classes. I only wish uncheats would experience this for a couple of decades.
 
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