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Winning with Paul’s recruits smh

I think he’s entitled to our support but not our unqualified deference. There have been too many indefensible coaching errors this year, independent of the players he inherited. He owes it to his players to get better at his job.

It’s the future part that’s the issue. Their future isn’t bright. No one wins close games at this rate. If you play close games, you will lose some. They’ve gotten lucky. When they go 6-6 next year, people will think they’ve taken a step back, but they won’t. They’ll be a normal team that...

Minnesota is also not a comparison I would want to make. They’re having a fun season, and no one can take the wins away, but good lord have they been lucky. They have five wins by a combined 25 points (including an overtime win against South Dakota State). If the goal is to build something...

I think I agree with you on this. The point you made earlier about there being an absence of coaches that are able to teach the players the system and how to execute it was excellent, and it changed my mind. I am convinced we had to stop running that particular system. I am less convinced we...

I think he was too interested in hiring someone with connections to the school. That was the only reason to even consider Whisenhunt. I know it shouldn’t inform my opinion of his hiring Collins, but I think it made me a skeptic of everything he has done since because it suggests his reasoning...

16-14, Jackets. Over/under on combined turnovers 5.5?

English. Do you speak it?

Which wasn’t your point. This is like talking with my three year old.

And not one of them was in the comment I quoted.

You didn’t say drafted. You said “put into.”

I think the 2013 team (all Johnson recruits at that point) had 13 players who suited up on Sunday. Check my facts on this. Isaiah Johnson Chris Milton Rod Sweeting Brandon Watts Jemea Thomas Deandre Smelter DJ White Zach Laskey Jeremiah Attaochu Shaq Mason Darren Waller Harrison Butker Adam Gotsis

Chris Milton played, as did T.J. Barnes, Isaiah Johnson, Mario Butler (though I cant recall which class he was in), Rod Sweeting, maybe a couple others. Hell, almost the entire secondary of the 2014 team has played on Sundays, plus Gotsis.

This is . . . not accurate.

Is there anyone loyal to a coach? If so, I’d appreciate if they would go root for someone else, which shouldn’t be a problem since they’re not loyal to the team. I root for the Jackets and couldn’t give a rip who the coach is.

I mean, there’s a few things. First, I was speaking on a game-level basis. I’d be willing to do the same for Collins, but mostly we’ve been getting blasted every week. We’re not even competitive. As to Johnson’s record, I said it was a matter of personal preference if you would trade a 3 win...

I think we’re talking past each other. You’re saying what he will get; I am saying what he should get. And it probably bears repeating, no one is saying he should go 10-2 next season. But it’s reasonable to expect progress.

It’s not an unreasonable question, when the defense is that it will take time, to ask in response, how long, because working without accountability for the on-field results cannot last indefinitely. That is, in fact, the question about which this thread was borne. If the answer is five years...

The school is harder than it has ever been. Also, were you alive in the Spring of 2003, because hoo boy, have I got an attrition story for you.

So it looks like we’re relitigating this issue. The calculus is this: if you think we can be consistent 10-12 game winner, Johnson was likely not the coach for you (though he was damn close to that). I get that, and that’s fine with me. If you think the likelihood of us ever getting to that...