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Well, you should know about CPJ as you played for him.THW the OP for sucking folks into this nonsense. One coach was trash and CPJ was really really good
Well, you should know about CPJ as you played for him.THW the OP for sucking folks into this nonsense. One coach was trash and CPJ was really really good
Again we had to look no further than what Fritz did at GSU just a couple of years before. He took over from Monken and damn near beat our 2014 team in his first year. His 2nd year he lost to uga in overtime.The CPJ to TFG transition didn't have to be so drastic. While that offense didn't have to continue, I could have seen TFG come in and SLOWLY move away from it rather than try to run something that he had ZERO personnel recruited to fit.
The option should have still been in the playback, ditto the rocket toss, but used less. It was completely worthless and childish to line up in that formation and do the "just kidding" joke at the start of his first game.
Well, you should know about CPJ as you played for him for which everyone on this board should be grateful .
This is getting even weirder. What inherited team won 9 gms? The 3 & 5 win season were just as recent as the the 9 win you speak that was inherited. Collins being horrendous has really change some memories of what had occurred before him. We 24-25 since our great OB run with 2 losing seasons and bowl streak ended. Not only were inconsistent on the field but we’re losing battles we should never lose in recruiting as well ala Duke. Changes had to be made. It’s obvious that changes were needed but it is now obvious that TS & CGC shouldn’t have been been guys leading the transition.
I advise some of yall to search the game day post and refresh how bad we were in the trenches on both sides the ball. That is mainly why i find it hard to believe anyway could’ve had that 2019 winning more than 5 gms
I get all of that and tried to provide context. I know that there were more 2 star diamonds in the rough types back then that panned out. I don't see how you get to 12 top 250 players, I count 6 total 4 stars from those classes on Rivals. Regardless, those classes were ranked what they were ranked and they were full of 2 and 3 stars with light offer list.***facelalm*** please provide context. This is getting beyond ridiculous. Recruiting services were nowhere near what they are now. Even with how limited the recruiting services were, 03-2007 provided GT 12 Top 250 14-18 only 2 Top 250. If the offer list were different from the guys then to latter 4 yrs. Class size matter as well rankings.
You miss the point. ADTS wanted the drastic change. Many big backers wanted a major change. Fans were unhappy.The CPJ to TFG transition didn't have to be so drastic. While that offense didn't have to continue, I could have seen TFG come in and SLOWLY move away from it rather than try to run something that he had ZERO personnel recruited to fit.
The option should have still been in the playback, ditto the rocket toss, but used less. It was completely worthless and childish to line up in that formation and do the "just kidding" joke at the start of his first game.
Rivals 250:I get all of that and tried to provide context. I know that there were more 2 star diamonds in the rough types back then that panned out. I don't see how you get to 12 top 250 players, I count 6 total 4 stars from those classes on Rivals. Regardless, those classes were ranked what they were ranked and they were full of 2 and 3 stars with light offer list.
That's basically every 4 star that we signed in that period. I think 2004 is a good example of the Gailey recruiting that I remember at least. We had Cavin, the GT GOAT IMO. Darryl Richard was a high 3 star with a nice offer list but we literally had 18 2 stars in that class. 18 of the 24 total players in that class were 2 stars and randomly clicking I haven't found 1 yet with another P5 offer.Rivals 250:
Rashaun grant
Kenny Scott
Calvin Johnson
Jamaal Evans
Nesbitt
Dwyer
Peters
Burnett
Threet
D. Morgan
Claytor
No I get that he was expected to immediately move from that offense, and may have been a stipulation, but a HC has to look at the players he has and play to their strengths, not try to do something they can't.You miss the point. ADTS wanted the drastic change. Many big backers wanted a major change. Fans were unhappy.
Was there approach a colossal failure. For sure. Looking back and saying we we could have done something different is disingenuous. The decision was made for dramatic and swift change.
ADTS & CGC we’re fired as the decision blew up badly.
Key basically needs to add talent, the Portal seems to have, get better assistant coaches, he has a lot more money and staff so that seems better, get better HS players, that’s TBD, and very importantly he and the staff must be better coaches or all else is meaningless.
What did he sayHe warned about hiring Collins, we should've listened.
Come on man. Key‘s job is much harder because GT football has become a joke. Heck, the only guy who would even take the job was an alum. And what was one of the first recruiting things Key did? He recruited a stud QB via the portal because the 2 1/2 year starter quit. Those of you who have this belief that the roster inherited by Key is some star studded group are delusional. Key has inherited a DLine with holes, an undersized LB group and if the spring game is any indication a DB group that needs a mountain of work. On offense, we lost our best WR, have about 20 undersized WR’s that are question marks, have an OLine that none of us know if they can even reach the average category and have 2 young QB’s with limited game action because the previous guy handed the job to a kid who should be playing DB in DIII.You are hopeless. How did that first tear CJP team do when Booker was the QB Took a short blocked FG to beat some FCS team even though the team had 4 NFL caliber D linemen. Take Nesbit off that team it wins 3-4 games.
That's basically every 4 star that we signed in that period. I think 2004 is a good example of the Gailey recruiting that I remember at least. We had Cavin, the GT GOAT IMO. Darryl Richard was a high 3 star with a nice offer list but we literally had 18 2 stars in that class. 18 of the 24 total players in that class were 2 stars and randomly clicking I haven't found 1 yet with another P5 offer.
Is not 18 2 stars in once class also 'context'? The 2005 class had 12 2 stars (out of 18 commits) and no Calvin. Calvin was gone, these were the upper classmen for the team that Johnson inherited.
55 days till we play Louisville. I can't wait.
Solid response.Mike Leach always said he could institute his offense and be productive right away, and he was. Fritz made a more gradual transition at Ga Southern and was successful. Clawson and Elko had jobs that were as challenging in the ACC and they have their teams in a good place. Even if offense was a challenge, how do you explain defense and special teams?
It was possible to do a lot more with what we had in 2019, and build on it every year. Other coaches have.
For Key, he has a big challenge. Unless they’re a transfer , players on this team haven’t seen a winning season or a bowl. I don’t think we have anyone left from 2018. He has a bigger challenge than Collins—he has to get these players winning and playing solid football. He’s got to teach discipline and basic skills.
This.A good coach could have taken the talent style on the team and created a good offense leveraging the skills available, while coming up with a transition plan. There was talent to win 5-7 games in their first year. Not great but SO MUCH BETTER than 3 wins.
Didn't Miami miss at least 3 field goals that were not that long. Kept trying different kickers after misses.I don't know the answer to your question but a cursory examination of that first year (2019) gives a good idea of what strange times the program was about to enter. Tech played poorly in losing to both the Citadel and Temple yet somehow managed to beat a Miami team that had been picked to place second in the Coastal and a pretty decent NC State team. Just try to wrap your head around that. The only thing I remember from that Miami game was that we actually played pretty well and that the Miami fan board Canes in sight absolutely crucified Manny for that and never let up during his entire tenure. Must have been a bad year for new coaches.