Ye olde coachinge debates

GT_receivers · Mar 10, 2019

RickStromFan said:
recruiting class of 2007 helped 2008 happen, is my guess.

I hate people who say "he did it with the old coach's players". He still did it. Who gives a crap if they were chan's recruits. He still won. Thats all that matters. He did something that the previous staff could't do with the same players.

GT_receivers · Mar 10, 2019

up state jacket said:
Collins played a hand in that also.

Yes, he recruited some of the players for the 2008 team. But he was a part of the staff that didn't get the job done against ugag in 07. I'm not trying to diss collins, but I'm trying to give CPJ the respect he deserves.

up state jacket · Mar 10, 2019

GT_receivers said:
I hate people who say "he did it with the old coach's players". He still did it. Who gives a crap if they were chan's recruits. He still won. Thats all that matters. He did something that the previous staff could't do with the same players.

The crap is what slowly transpired after those players left. Yeah 14 was great, but in hindsight was more so of catching lightning in a bottle than Paul all of sudden pressing the right buttons. He refused to be what his apologists say he is innovative or an offensive genius. Hell go down as the coach that ran the outdated 3O.

up state jacket · Mar 10, 2019

I respect him more for stepping down with class than what he did on the field. He at least didn't f the program financially.

RickStromFan · Mar 10, 2019

GT_receivers said:
I hate people who say "he did it with the old coach's players". He still did it. Who gives a crap if they were chan's recruits. He still won. Thats all that matters. He did something that the previous staff could't do with the same players.

Hey I'm just taking a guess lol

GT_receivers · Mar 10, 2019

up state jacket said:
The crap is what slowly transpired after those players left. Yeah 14 was great, but in hindsight was more so of catching lightning in a bottle than Paul all of sudden pressing the right buttons. He refused to be what his apologists say he is innovative or an offensive genius. Hell go down as the coach that ran the outdated 3O.

What about 16? remember that? beating ugag and winning the gator bowl. He did everything the previous staff couldn't do. beating ugag, winning the acc, winning the gator bowl, winning the orange bowl. lol

RickStromFan · Mar 10, 2019

GT_receivers said:
What about 16? remember that? beating ugag and winning the gator bowl.

the '16 game vs the mutts was one of the few times I've seen PJ make adjustments in-game. His deep-pass playcalling was a nice adjustment that completely turned the game in our favor.

2016 was similar to the 1989 Ross season IMO.

up state jacket · Mar 10, 2019

Ok he gets one year. That makes him great?

GT_receivers · Mar 10, 2019

up state jacket said:
Ok he gets one year. That makes him great?

Nah 08, 09, 14, and 16 were great years.

up state jacket · Mar 10, 2019

You're forgetting that 08, 09 were Gomers boys. Back to the original reasoning he isn't great without the recruits be didn't recruit. I'll take it a step further, I don't believe 14 or 16 happens without the Gomer boys either. He wouldn't have had those early w's with Jaybo running the show or without Allen who transferred in not because of the option, but for Gomer. So what did Paul do to get this 5* pedestal? I'm not going to mention Nesbit, Dwyer, Bebe, Roddy, that all came to tech to not play in the 3o. Those men deserve credit for staying. No one mentions that.

up state jacket · Mar 10, 2019

GT_receivers said:
I hate people who say "he did it with the old coach's players". He still did it. Who gives a crap if they were chan's recruits. He still won. Thats all that matters. He did something that the previous staff could't do with the same players.

That staff got fired before we could tell if they could or couldn't.

Boaty1 · Mar 10, 2019

GT_receivers said:
Nah 08, 09, 14, and 16 were great years.

Great teams are ranked and ranked highly. We didn’t spend one week ranked in 16. That was not a great team by any stretch of the imagination.

GT_receivers · Mar 10, 2019

up state jacket said:
That staff got fired before we could tell if they could or couldn't.

True, but I could have seen that class doing similar to the previous chan teams if he hadn't been fired. Mediocre at best.

GT_receivers · Mar 10, 2019

Boaty1 said:
Great teams are ranked and ranked highly. We didn’t spend one week ranked in 16. That was not a great team by any stretch of the imagination.

We probably should have been ranked. Beating #17 VT, Ugag, and Kentucky in the gator bowl to finish the year.

GT_receivers · Mar 10, 2019

Boaty1 said:
Great teams are ranked and ranked highly. We didn’t spend one week ranked in 16. That was not a great team by any stretch of the imagination.

Okay we were "good" in 16. Not "great". I personally think beating ugag and winning the gator bowl is more than a good season. No matter the ranking system.

RickStromFan · Mar 10, 2019

GT_receivers said:
Nah 08, 09, 14, and 16 were great years.

We won 9 games, finished 5th in the Coastal and finished outside the top 25. Not "Great" but a good year with a really nice finish.

TheTechGuy · Mar 10, 2019

up state jacket said:
You're forgetting that 08, 09 were Gomers boys. Back to the original reasoning he isn't great without the recruits be didn't recruit. I'll take it a step further, I don't believe 14 or 16 happens without the Gomer boys either. He wouldn't have had those early w's with Jaybo running the show or without Allen who transferred in not because of the option, but for Gomer. So what did Paul do to get this 5* pedestal? I'm not going to mention Nesbit, Dwyer, Bebe, Roddy, that all came to tech to not play in the 3o. Those men deserve credit for staying. No one mentions that.

Using this logic, how does Collins get credit for anything he's done over his coaching career? Wouldn't all of Collin's accomplishment's be explained away by saying he isn't great without the recruits he didn't recruit?

jgtengineer · Mar 10, 2019

RickStromFan said:
We won 9 games, finished 5th in the Coastal and finished outside the top 25. Not "Great" but a good year with a really nice finish.

Coastal was pretty good all around that year. Looked more like the sec west of the mid 2000s beating each other up with no truly standout team

Jacketman1 · Mar 10, 2019

I feel like we have had this argument a million times. Some of us love CPJ, some hate him. We can at least agree that he did some great things for this program and gave ALL of us some great memories. Whether or not we LIKED the 3O is meaningless now.

crazy4GT · Mar 10, 2019

up state jacket said:
You're forgetting that 08, 09 were Gomers boys. Back to the original reasoning he isn't great without the recruits be didn't recruit. I'll take it a step further, I don't believe 14 or 16 happens without the Gomer boys either. He wouldn't have had those early w's with Jaybo running the show or without Allen who transferred in not because of the option, but for Gomer. So what did Paul do to get this 5* pedestal? I'm not going to mention Nesbit, Dwyer, Bebe, Roddy, that all came to tech to not play in the 3o. Those men deserve credit for staying. No one mentions that.

I believe Jaybo was a Johnson recruit. If memory serves it was a late flip from Memphis?

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