Henrymcg
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I was hurt when it was time for CCG to go.. but it was a different eraJust curious, but did you think the same about someone replacing ccg?
Question:
How well do you think Dabo would recruit at Tech?
I was hurt when it was time for CCG to go.. but it was a different eraJust curious, but did you think the same about someone replacing ccg?
This is how I feel. CPJ's offense is working well and we don't have many blue chip players on it. Thomas, a misfit qb who everybody in the country passed on for that position and a converted baseball player, THAT'S IT! That's the difference between O and D. You can be effective on O with little to no blue chip players with the right scheme if it's different enough and if you are super efficient at it. There's no equivalent on D, you need the horses or you get beat, period.JT has renewed my interest in the triple option, it would be a real shame to fire
Paul now with the perfect quarterback and the offense working so well. Defense has got to improve obviously, give Ted time to get his players and develop them, he is an awesome recruiter and i think in 2-3 years our D will be something to be proud of once again.
JHD and Whitehead play the same position as Freeman.
2) CPJ specifically turned down more than one opportunity to leave Tech to go elsewhere after his initial successes. Ross, O'Leary . . . they did not do that. And we rightfully honor those head coaches memory anyway for what they showed could be accomplished here. But neither stuck around and tried to truly build a program of sustainable success at Tech. (Notice that I take "long views" on the program I love).
Oh yeah I should have added in Curry as well. Clearly CPJ has to get enough wins to prove he can "do it" long term at Tech. That was always the case and never changes. Any coach can get fired without enough wins no matter the other aspects they bring to being a head coach.Thanks for pointing this ^ out, BW. Even one of our own, Bill Curry, left us for "greener pastures." That was the first time I recall Tech becoming a head coach's "stepping stone." I don't know CPJ personally, but the fact that he is working tirelessly to bring us a sustainable program speaks volumes and puts CPJ in an elite class with Homer Rice, IMHO.
I think average/mediocre years in wins and losses like 6-7 win seasons are often very hard to evaluate.It could be strongly argued that Tech is unique and that therefore a 6 or 7 win seasons should be accepted as a pretty good year. As for this year, many thought that it would be a bad season because of player losses, lack of talent etc. Personally I think offense is strong and getting better and the defense will be much better next year. If that assessment is fairly accurate, now doesn't seem to be the time to fire the coach.
Did you use to be our AD?It could be strongly argued that Tech is unique and that therefore a 6 or 7 win seasons should be accepted as a pretty good year. As for this year, many thought that it would be a bad season because of player losses, lack of talent etc. Personally I think offense is strong and getting better and the defense will be much better next year. If that assessment is fairly accurate, now doesn't seem to be the time to fire the coach.
It is odd to me that so many of the guys on this site thought that this team was going to be special after losing SIX def starters incl best players and starting a new QB(no matter how talented) with a mostly new OL..LAST year to me was to be the big yr and PJ blew it somehow with Vad.Even with the big wins early this was a VERY seriously weak DEF team on paper and has proven to be that on the field.He has to responsible for that--a weak def AGAIN.
otoh- he has excited the fan base with the "new" wins.This was a nice change .this yr could still be a bomb with 6-6 and a loss in a bowl. To me with a ROUGH schedule next yr his record again will suffer.
THE best reason to keep him is this seems to be a solid recruit class and Lord knows we need it.
I can't answer with the choices given.
Did you use to be our AD?
I think average/mediocre years in wins and losses like 6-7 win seasons are often very hard to evaluate.
They can seem to point to decline or treading water in a Dave Braine way that factored into firing Gailey . . . or they can point in a direction where a program is very very close to great seasons. Serious debate and strong differences of opinion among a fan base of a 7 or 6 win team are therefore a normal phenomenon.
I am of the opinion that the development of Thomas, the sustainability of offensive performance qua system--plugging in new Abacks, WRs and BBacks year after year that frequently have similar output--and the fact that so many of the losses are very close ones in very competitive games all suggest that some of these 7 or 6 win average or mediocre years for CPJ at Tech have not been pointing to decline or just treading water. I am guardedly optimistic that there are such signs (include expanded recruiting staff and seemingly better recruiting) that thus the direction Tech's 7 win seasons points is more "upward" in potential result than down.
No. If I was, my house would be paid off, I would be at every game, and also ignore any thoughts in this forum from "Eastman" .Did you use to be our AD?
Excellent post! So many of our fans fail to realize the constricted academic climate that differentiates the Ross and O'Leary eras from today. It's day and night. Also, your last paragraph rings truest of all. But that won't sway the "bottom liners" that look solely at w/l record for their sense of self worth and thus whether the coach is worth keeping or not.I have said all I desire to about CPJ's job status. It was plausible preseason that depending on how it played out Bobinski could even do an in-season firing. But after the VT win and definitively after the Miami win such a scenario really became unthinkable. If he loses out then sure, Bobinski could decide to fire him but that would still be after the regular season. I hope that doesn't happen simply because I am a Tech fan and live and die every game hoping the team can win the game. Even after I was personally sick of Gailey and believed he needed to go (or Hewitt) I still lived and died while watching each and every game hoping that the Tech team and players would win.
But I do want to point out one facet of CPJ's tenure as head coach at Tech as well as through his career that I find really fascinating and that does speak well to the man. Namely, he consistently demonstrates that he is not "scared" of losing in the sense that he will run a program the way he believes it is "right" to run it and live with the results. ****Note well that this is not how a head coach acts at a factory or is even allowed to act.**** Tennessee in recruiting Rocky Reid illustrates the difference in integrity of a factory program from Tech and CPJ. Here are my arguments to make this claim:
1) CPJ has proven at every job he has had the willingness to stick around and try and build a long term sustainable program of solid success. Both Southern and Navy have been more capable of sustaining success after having CPJ spend the years he did there as head coach. He is in Southern's HOF for crying eye. Have you ever thought about that fact? It is a real achievement as a head coach to build programs that can sustain wins after you leave/retire. CPJ has accomplished that twice.
2) CPJ specifically turned down more than one opportunity to leave Tech to go elsewhere after his initial successes. Ross, O'Leary . . . they did not do that. And we rightfully honor those head coaches memory anyway for what they showed could be accomplished here. But neither stuck around and tried to truly build a program of sustainable success at Tech. (Notice that I take "long views" on the program I love).
3) As with any head coach CPJ needs enough results--"wins"--to continue on at Tech but he clearly has not been scared to lose in the way that a coach has to be scared when they go into a factory. That is how such coaches have no choice but to rely on a network of recruiting bagmen and typically have zero standards of player behavior (cough cough FSU cough) plus need to rely on an academic administration and college environment that has zero compunction about exploiting an athlete by not giving them a legitimate education (basically all schools that are not "Institutes").
I do hope that CPJ gets enough of the really important wins this year and next year so as to shore up the fan base and his position with Bobinski. Ultimately wins decide hirings and firings. I want this primarily because I simply root for the program. However, I also want these wins because I do appreciate that CPJ has done things "right" in a way that even Ross and O'Leary did not necessarily do or at least not under the same NCAA regime (APR) or continue to do when another program (O'Leary) or the NFL (Ross) came calling for them. Our current coach did not flip his early success into chasing "greener" pastures. He clearly believes in the challenge of building sustainable success and programs that "do right" by the student-athletes, those young men, recruited to come to Tech.
Ok, now I really will try and not get absorbed into these discussions again until the offseason. I want to see what happens going forward for good (close wins) and ill (close heartbreaking losses) in what looks to be a razors edge season of very tough competitive games.
My last word will be that playing in "tough and competitive" games closely decided on errors and specific plays week in and out is actually a POSITIVE sign for a program. I know it doesn't feel that way because close losses hurt so much more . . . but you have to compare the current experience to having a program with a team that is so unbelievably outmatched that they just get dominated in game after game by any opponent. That scenario has happened before at Tech! It is happening right now at various other equally proud programs (Michigan). Winning and losing such closely competitive games is simply not on the same level of "bad" for a program; even if we decide to call it average or mediocre it points in a different fundamental direction than the other kind of situation. TL/DR
Two points:1) CPJ has proven at every job he has had the willingness to stick around and try and build a long term sustainable program of solid success. Both Southern and Navy have been more capable of sustaining success after having CPJ spend the years he did there as head coach. He is in Southern's HOF for crying eye. Have you ever thought about that fact? It is a real achievement as a head coach to build programs that can sustain wins after you leave/retire. CPJ has accomplished that twice.
2) CPJ specifically turned down more than one opportunity to leave Tech to go elsewhere after his initial successes. Ross, O'Leary . . . they did not do that. And we rightfully honor those head coaches memory anyway for what they showed could be accomplished here. But neither stuck around and tried to truly build a program of sustainable success at Tech. (Notice that I take "long views" on the program I love).
Two points:
1) Not disputing the success that Paul had at Southern, but that program was built by Erk Russell and Paul continued it. After he left, the program absolutely took a hit in success when Sewak took over as head coach, so I'm not sure this argument is very valid.
2) I'm fairly certain that Paul has not turned down a job offer since he's been at Tech. I know for sure that he has been approached to judge his interest (Auburn was one of those at one point, by the way) but as far as I'm aware, he hasn't interviewed or been offered any other positions.
Well whenever Georgia Tech gets to 5-0 it conjures up visions of 1990, where a team that was NOT the best team in the nation, caught fire and went undefeated. I think you have been a fan for a long long time, like me, and you will have to admit, Tech does some remarkable things every now and then. Things that defy logic. But you are correct, it was foolish to go all in knowing how depleted of athletes we are on defense. I am hoping that we can scrounge a couple of more wins out of this season---but there is a lot of video tape out there now documenting where are warts are.