The ACC will delay the start of competition for all fall sports until at least Sept. 1

[Deleted member 2897]

Very few athletic departments depend on the university for budgeting.

Those university presidents just cost them $50 million in tv deals, ticket sales, apparel sales, and more.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

I don't think we were "willing" to do that per se. Wilson held out as long as he could, but we ultimately got sucked into it. Were the citizens willing to go? Yes. Would they be today? Probably not, even if we were actually attacked. Far different mindset among Americans today, sad to say.

Americans didn't protest en masse over the death count. Similar to WWII. We lost less service members in the current conflicts in Iraq/Afghanistan than died in NY for the coronavirus and America deems the price in blood to great for the gain. The death toll of WWII changed how we view the cost of lives here in America. Beyond that, there is a LOT of difference in the last 100 years so it's not a fair comparison anyways.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

Those university presidents just cost them $50 million in ticket sales, apparel sales, and more.

And most likely saved a few lives and preserved the future health of their players. You can recover money...

 

[Deleted member 2897]

That is par for the course right now. Travel industry, entertainment industry, etc. Pick just about anything and there are budget cuts.

So airlines, restaurants, and hotel demand is down, so let’s kill our own healthy football programs and deprive them of tens of millions of dollars in tv revenue, ticket sales, apparel sales, etc. Seems like a legit comparison.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

And most likely saved a few lives and preserved the future health of their players. You can recover money...

CTE says hello. x100.

 

[Augusta_Jacket]

CTE says hello. x100.

The risk of CTE is known. It can and has been mitigated with newer helmet technology and rule changes designed to limit the severe impacts that cause it. There are still a lot of unknowns about COVID-19, but what we do know has a lot of the experts very worried. You can keep griping about this, but the reality is that we will most likely not be seeing any college football until at least spring of 2021.

 

[ramblinwreckguru]

CTE says hello. x100.

Well, at this point I really think that Covid might be more of a mental disorder than physical.

 

[augustabuzz]

Agree the Big 10 is like us they signed their rights away.

I bet work arounds are possible.

 

[RonJohn]

So airlines, restaurants, and hotel demand is down, so let’s kill our own healthy football programs and deprive them of tens of millions of dollars in tv revenue, ticket sales, apparel sales, etc. Seems like a legit comparison.

Is the sole purpose of the Big 10 cancelling the season to deprive the athletic departments of money?

Companies are not travelling as much. I saw an opinion piece that believed that the travel industry is not going to recover fully. Many companies were using remote meetings and remote collaboration before COVID. Now many more companies have gotten used to remote collaboration and are likely to continue saving money by using tools that their employees are now used to. Is the purpose of those thousands of companies to deprive Delta and Hertz out of money just for spite? No. They have figured out that they can run their business much more efficiently and don't have to spend last minute rates on airlines for meetings.

Whether you like it or not, whether you agree with it or not, the Big 10 has decided that the health of their players and their potential liability are impacted by the virus. You can believe that you have better knowledge about viruses than a doctor and a virus researcher who became university presidents. You can believe that people are throwing away hundreds of millions of dollars and lots of lost opportunities for student athletes for some kind or political gain. You can believe that YOU understand what is best for Big 10 sports better than the people who are in charge of Big 10 sports. Your belief doesn't make any of that true.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

Is the sole purpose of the Big 10 cancelling the season to deprive the athletic departments of money?

Companies are not travelling as much. I saw an opinion piece that believed that the travel industry is not going to recover fully. Many companies were using remote meetings and remote collaboration before COVID. Now many more companies have gotten used to remote collaboration and are likely to continue saving money by using tools that their employees are now used to. Is the purpose of those thousands of companies to deprive Delta and Hertz out of money just for spite? No. They have figured out that they can run their business much more efficiently and don't have to spend last minute rates on airlines for meetings.

Whether you like it or not, whether you agree with it or not, the Big 10 has decided that the health of their players and their potential liability are impacted by the virus. You can believe that you have better knowledge about viruses than a doctor and a virus researcher who became university presidents. You can believe that people are throwing away hundreds of millions of dollars and lots of lost opportunities for student athletes for some kind or political gain. You can believe that YOU understand what is best for Big 10 sports better than the people who are in charge of Big 10 sports. Your belief doesn't make any of that true.

The fact remains that not all the players are in agreement with this decision. Lots of them want to play, because not playing deprives them of the opportunity to show their talents and, at least for some, move on to the next level.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

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Is the sole purpose of the Big 10 cancelling the season to deprive the athletic departments of money?

Companies are not travelling as much. I saw an opinion piece that believed that the travel industry is not going to recover fully. Many companies were using remote meetings and remote collaboration before COVID. Now many more companies have gotten used to remote collaboration and are likely to continue saving money by using tools that their employees are now used to. Is the purpose of those thousands of companies to deprive Delta and Hertz out of money just for spite? No. They have figured out that they can run their business much more efficiently and don't have to spend last minute rates on airlines for meetings.

Whether you like it or not, whether you agree with it or not, the Big 10 has decided that the health of their players and their potential liability are impacted by the virus. You can believe that you have better knowledge about viruses than a doctor and a virus researcher who became university presidents. You can believe that people are throwing away hundreds of millions of dollars and lots of lost opportunities for student athletes for some kind or political gain. You can believe that YOU understand what is best for Big 10 sports better than the people who are in charge of Big 10 sports. Your belief doesn't make any of that true.

You may have set a new record for putting words into someone else’s mouth, and that’s saying a lot for this site. Way to go! You’re awesome!

Again, these same university presidents are not shutting down their campuses to students. They don’t care about anybody’s health - they care about money and risk. They can get all the dorm, university owned apartment rent, meal plan, and tuition money and plead plausible deniability. Can’t do that with football.

If they cared about a bunch of super fit athletes’ health, they’d care doubly about all the much less healthy students and their risk. But they don’t.
And they’re sending these student athletes off into the general population where the risks are probably the exact same. LOLOLOLOL.

 

[TooTall]

Why would not playing change that? Isnyrhe school on the hook for scholarship athletes health care no matter what?

In this instance, yes. It refers to only the current time period.

Basically, we all know that the school covers immediate needs if an athlete gets injured during a game or practice, but now a positive covid test, regardless of where it was acquired, the school must pay.

 

[RonJohn]

The fact remains that not all the players are in agreement with this decision. Lots of them want to play, because not playing deprives them of the opportunity to show their talents and, at least for some, move on to the next level.

Players with concussions want to play immediately. Should the medical diagnosis for a concussed player be, "Do you want to play now?".

Assume a player does want to play now. If a lock for the first round plays, is asymptomatic - tests negative - but has the virus and develops the heart inflammation - and develops heart issues because the inflammation isn't detected -- what happens to his chance to move on to the next level?

What if a player who does want to play, and whose parents are posting on Twitter that they want him to play develops adverse affects from COVID while playing. What if his parents then sue the university and conferences?

I heard one person on ESPN today talking about Big 10 university officials rotating back and forth between medical experts, financial consultants, and liability lawyers. Some of the questions were things like: What liability would we have if a player or players who 10-15 years from now die and it can be traced back to heart damage from playing sports with myocarditis that was caused from asymptomatic COVID-19? Can we plan for that with our budgets. Those are the kinds of questions they were asking, and the types of people they were talking to. This isn't a case of Big 10 presidents watching Twitter and FB posts and throwing zingers against another side. From what I have heard, they had some real health concerns and some of the extreme liability concerns that they have.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Players with concussions want to play immediately. Should the medical diagnosis for a concussed player be, "Do you want to play now?".

Assume a player does want to play now. If a lock for the first round plays, is asymptomatic - tests negative - but has the virus and develops the heart inflammation - and develops heart issues because the inflammation isn't detected -- what happens to his chance to move on to the next level?

What if a player who does want to play, and whose parents are posting on Twitter that they want him to play develops adverse affects from COVID while playing. What if his parents then sue the university and conferences?

I heard one person on ESPN today talking about Big 10 university officials rotating back and forth between medical experts, financial consultants, and liability lawyers. Some of the questions were things like: What liability would we have if a player or players who 10-15 years from now die and it can be traced back to heart damage from playing sports with myocarditis that was caused from asymptomatic COVID-19? Can we plan for that with our budgets. Those are the kinds of questions they were asking, and the types of people they were talking to. This isn't a case of Big 10 presidents watching Twitter and FB posts and throwing zingers against another side. From what I have heard, they had some real health concerns and some of the extreme liability concerns that they have.

What if a guy wants to play, and during a crossing pattern he gets hit by the safety, gets decapitated, and his head lands on top of the flag pole? Would he not only lose his life and future income streams, but his family would suffer immense trauma? We call all make up all kinds of wild awful scenarios, no matter how unlikely.

Those conversations you detail hit the nail on the head. They don’t care about health. They care about money and risk. Students who get sick and risk all the same complications (and in massively larger numbers) don’t have a chance to successfully sue them like a football player might.

Easy answer - sign a waiver and let the people decide. There are risks of broken bones, spinal injuries, and permanent brain damage all of which are much more likely than COVID complications. Let people decide their own life path.

 

[herb]

Players with concussions want to play immediately. Should the medical diagnosis for a concussed player be, "Do you want to play now?".

Assume a player does want to play now. If a lock for the first round plays, is asymptomatic - tests negative - but has the virus and develops the heart inflammation - and develops heart issues because the inflammation isn't detected -- what happens to his chance to move on to the next level?

What if a player who does want to play, and whose parents are posting on Twitter that they want him to play develops adverse affects from COVID while playing. What if his parents then sue the university and conferences?

I heard one person on ESPN today talking about Big 10 university officials rotating back and forth between medical experts, financial consultants, and liability lawyers. Some of the questions were things like: What liability would we have if a player or players who 10-15 years from now die and it can be traced back to heart damage from playing sports with myocarditis that was caused from asymptomatic COVID-19? Can we plan for that with our budgets. Those are the kinds of questions they were asking, and the types of people they were talking to. This isn't a case of Big 10 presidents watching Twitter and FB posts and throwing zingers against another side. From what I have heard, they had some real health concerns and some of the extreme liability concerns that they have.

what about the students they are telling to come back on campus? Do they not worry about them? What if they get covid and 10-15 years later die and it can be traced back to myocarditis they got while at school? AFAIK there is not a 100% virtual option for my child at Tech.

 

[RonJohn]

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You may have set a new record for putting words into someone else’s mouth, and that’s saying a lot for this site. Way to go! You’re awesome!

Again, these same university presidents are not shutting down their campuses to students. They don’t care about anybody’s health - they care about money and risk. They can get all the dorm, university owned apartment rent, meal plan, and tuition money and plead plausible deniability. Can’t do that with football.

If they cared about a bunch of super fit athletes’ health, they’d care doubly about all the much less healthy students and their risk. But they don’t.
And they’re sending these student athletes off into the general population where the risks are probably the exact same. LOLOLOLOL.

I have stated many times. The risk of being in a partially filled classroom in which everyone is using masks is far different than the risk of highly physically exerted people pushing their bodies close while trying to push the other away. Linemen are going to be breathing respiratory droplets on each other every single play. Players are going to be breathing droplets all over each other on the bottom of piles during games.

You can conduct classes with minimized risks. You CANNOT play a football game without risks. Are the students going to follow the regulations? I don't know. But in order to be at the same level of risk as football players just playing the game, they would have to physically wrestle each other.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

I have stated many times. The risk of being in a partially filled classroom in which everyone is using masks is far different than the risk of highly physically exerted people pushing their bodies close while trying to push the other away. Linemen are going to be breathing respiratory droplets on each other every single play. Players are going to be breathing droplets all over each other on the bottom of piles during games.

You can conduct classes with minimized risks. You CANNOT play a football game without risks. Are the students going to follow the regulations? I don't know. But in order to be at the same level of risk as football players just playing the game, they would have to physically wrestle each other.

Yea and each time you keep saying that I’ll keep remind you that’s the point. These students will hang out in dorms, apartments, fraternity and sorority houses, restaurants, and bars. That gives the university enough risk insulation they’re good with getting their grimy hands on dorm money, tuition, apartment money, and meal plan money. IIWII.

 

[RonJohn]

What if a guy wants to play, and during a crossing pattern he gets hit by the safety, gets decapitated, and his head lands on top of the flag pole? Would he not only lose his life and future income streams, but his family would suffer immense trauma? We call all make up all kinds of wild awful scenarios, no matter how unlikely.

Those conversations you detail hit the nail on the head. They don’t care about health. They care about money and risk. Students who get sick and risk all the same complications (and in massively larger numbers) don’t have a chance to successfully sue them like a football player might.

Do the university presidents have medical experts who are telling them that it is a foreseeable risk that players are going to be decapitated and have their heads land on flag poles? Do the university presidents have medical experts telling them that it is a foreseeable risk that with the outlined procedures and with the outlined tests that players could develop myocarditis without having symptoms and without testing positive?

I don't know if any medical experts have actually stated the scenario you posed. It is being reported that medical experts have in fact told the Big 10 that undetected myocarditis is in fact a possibility.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Do the university presidents have medical experts who are telling them that it is a foreseeable risk that players are going to be decapitated and have their heads land on flag poles? Do the university presidents have medical experts telling them that it is a foreseeable risk that with the outlined procedures and with the outlined tests that players could develop myocarditis without having symptoms and without testing positive?

I don't know if any medical experts have actually stated the scenario you posed. It is being reported that medical experts have in fact told the Big 10 that undetected myocarditis is in fact a possibility.

If they’re not telling them the risks of CTE, they’re not doing their job. If they’re telling them that football players have tremendous risk of COVID when regular students don’t, they’re not doing their job.

Ohio State for example has 100 football players. If the medical professionals are telling the University President that 50,000 students have zero risk and football players have immense risk, they’re not doing their job.

They’d also all be denying everything we know..

 

[bobongo]

sign a waiver

I'll tell you right now, if I'm a player I might go out and play, but I'll be damned if I'm signing a waiver.