bobongo
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Yeah, I read that wrong. So what was your point?
Sigh. Read up the board, please, and see what I was responding to.
Yeah, I read that wrong. So what was your point?
This entire thread is a microcosm of why Tech struggles to get the sidewalk fans here in metro Atlanta. Too many people have to show that they are the smartest person in the room and are the elitist of the elite. It’s just sad.
So if a kid gets and academic or community scholarship and fails to make the grade or time commitment should the scholarships be picked up and honored, just cause they tried?
Again, pulling a scholarship is not depriving them the opportunity to get an education. They are still enrolled in school, and still have the chance to get a degree.
When did any of these coaches sit in any of these players living rooms?
So you're talking future hypotheticals? Gat dang off season!!
Agreed, but I think most people would say that if a kid gets hurt while playing for us, we should give them a medical and allow them to continue their education here. To me it is no different. We had a dramatic scheme change on O and have literally played hot potato with D Schemes the last 6 years. If a kid was recruited to do something no longer valued by this staff that isn't on them. It is on us. I know we are limited to 85 slots, and I value the importance each kid can have on the program, but I believe we need to find a way to free that slot up while continuing to honor the commitment we made for them to get their education if we want that to be a part of our brand and definition. I think it is vitally important that it remain a part of who we are in our, as AD TStan says, DNA.Scholarships are earned. Once you earn it, you have to work to keep it. That’s across the board. Nothing is pulled.
YesThen what are they doing to earn the scholarship?
Do people really think just staying eligible and giving 100% at practice warrants a full ride?
Wrong.So it's about the only thing where you get money for nothing.
Wrong.
Even if they are only being practice squad fodder, they are participating and honoring their side of the agreement.
Sometimes coaches offer scholarships to people they probably shouldn't have as a reach, hoping that somebody was going to become a diamond.
That's why I'm frustrated anytime people moan about us having an open scholarship or two. Giving the scholarship to anybody long as they're a warm body that breathes and takes a spot is not smart.
There are academic standards for keeping any and all scholarships.
If a kid wants to stay in school they can. If they qualify they can apply for other scholarships. No one is getting forced to leave. If they want to stay on the team, they can be a walk on. Maybe they and try to earn back a scholarship.
If a kid wants to stay in school they can. If they qualify they can apply for other scholarships. No one is getting forced to leave. If they want to stay on the team, they can be a walk on. Maybe they and try to earn back a scholarship.
Probably another one to keep an eye on. Former 2* LB recruit with offers from Air Force, Elon, and Illinois State. He'll be a RS Jr and has only appeared in 2 games.
No. This is implicitly different. If we start with the base assumption that the kids who come to play athletics at Ga Tech come from a disproportionately lower income bracket than the traditional student at GT then we can't make the assumption made by lv20gt above. We sell hard on the message that coming to GT offers a chance to earn an education from an elite school. We often go into areas to recruit a student who requires financial and academic assistance to finish a degree here. There is real good in that, exploitative as it may be, and I believe in the idea of progress and service. Sport is a way for people to pull themselves up and reach beyond the means of their communities and families to improve themselves. This is an important mission of public schools and I can not say enough about the necessity of this process.
I am 100% onboard with saying the kids aren't guaranteed playing time, in fact I think it is morally incumbent upon the staff to be transparent with kids about where they project. However, I have made the argument before and continue to feel this way, that the players are not employees and should not view college athletics as a proxy for minor league teams. If I make that argument, then I believe the logic follows that we should be committed to giving them a 4 year ride with access to the tutoring and study hall promised when they sign on with us for as long as they remain in good standing with the team. In some ways the medicals other programs give are to me (in the most equitable sense) more appropriate than a choice to not renew a one year scholarship.
That isn't how you treat people, as expendable assets. Some people do manage and behave that way but I find it lacking in taste and foresight and do not want to associate with that approach.
Question for @Ibeeballin : was that clear to you when you signed your LOI? If so, then I don't see how anyone can have a problem with any of this.Same with football. The coaches tell you where you need to be and when and if not you lose the scholarship.
Question for @Ibeeballin : was that clear to you when you signed your LOI? If so, then I don't see how anyone can have a problem with any of this.
For those making the analogy of keeping an academic scholarship with poor classroom performance, that's silly. I got that freshman orientation speech of look to your left and look to your right. We all knew what we signed up for.
Worthless analogy.....the P5 spefically prohibits pulling a scholly because of athletic performance."You are academically gifted. We award you this scholarship based on your academics."
"Sorry, your academics were not as good as we'd hoped, we must revoke your scholarship."
"You are athletically gifted. We award you this scholarship based on your athletic ability."
"Sorry, your athletics were not as good as we'd hoped, but you get to keep your scholarship."
See the difference?
Interesting to me to see how doing things the "right way", once considered a proud part of being a Tech fan, is now considered by so many to be "childish and naïve".
I don't know how much was fact or fantasy in that ideal we once held, but I miss it just the same. I hope our actual practice is more in keeping with the ideal than not.
The actual pulling of scholarships is a practice that should be off the table.
Ok so the P5 prohibits that but why is it right for one to be different than the other? You get preferential treatment because you are an athlete and not a whiz kid?Worthless analogy.....the P5 spefically prohibits pulling a scholly because of athletic performance.
I was just having the same thought...Are SAs presented before signing LOI that renewal of their athletic scholarship depends on certain level of athletic performance as well as academic performance, conduct, etc.? Seems like a fairly easy Yes/No question that the past athletes here should be able to answer.Question for @Ibeeballin : was that clear to you when you signed your LOI? If so, then I don't see how anyone can have a problem with any of this.
For those making the analogy of keeping an academic scholarship with poor classroom performance, that's silly. I got that freshman orientation speech of look to your left and look to your right. We all knew what we signed up for.