Quick Lane Bowl Postgame Discussion

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WreckinGT said:
Did we have size and strength in 2014 and 2016?
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We had more. We are at a nadir now in both areas. Our linebackers in particular are the weakest I have ever seen on the flats. Pretty good size at DB but that's the only area. The rest of the team is small. Our OL is the size of the average FCS team. The DL is even smaller. Look at them and see. We have got to get bigger and stronger in order to consistently compete. We need big upgrades in recruiting and strength & conditioning. Pretend otherwise if you wish.
 
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bobongo said:
The problem with focusing on the fact that the team wasn't prepared by the coaching staff, or motivated, is that it takes our attention away from the most glaring problem we have, which is that we are too small, slow, and weak. The biggest problem with this team is its lack of beef on the OL and DL. Our starting QB is small and cannot break tackles. Our linebackers are slow and small. The reason we cannot tackle has much more to do with strength and size than technique. Going forward, recruiting should be job one. Not our only problem, but certainly our biggest problem in this game was that we just got run over by a bigger and stronger team. We have to improve strength and conditioning and recruit size and strength. No amount of coaching genius is going to make up for deficiencies in size and strength. Looking at how we were mauled by Minnesota, it's amazing to me that we won as many as we did this year.
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Watching the game, my brother in law quipped that Jalen Hurts leg is an animal in the weight room. Dedication. Development. Discipline.
 

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ramblin_man said:
The next tap dance to watch during this transition will be to see how CGC handles the assumption of all the roles/duties/responsibilities of being the GT HC who has to do the following:
1. Double check his coaching staff hires especially OC and DC.
2. Really tricky task of being respectful to CPJ and the 3O yet while publicly drawing a clear line in the sand of that's not who GT is now nor the kind of results GT will embrace in the future.
3. Pick the players up who are frustrated/dazed/sore/confused with what the "next step" for them as individuals or as a team is.
4. Study film with his new staff to decide "Who's on first?"
5. Continue to expand the positives of the GT program,build/strengthen the brand, and execute a PR plan that aligns with the persona of GT fans who are "cautious of him" and hope the recruiting results and play on the field becomes what draws them to support the GT FB Program once his "new car smell" has worn off.
6. What is his game plan to get ready for Clemson?
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Honestly, you're already seeing it. The guys knows how to stay on message. They interviewed him during the game and he's beating the same drum over and over again - pro-style offense, Atlanta, respect for the past, dream job. If nothing else, the guy is going to be on message and bring effort and commitment.
 

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cuttysark said:
For a team that fought back this year from 1 and 3 to become bowl eligible, it's hard to reconcile this performance. As many have already stated, why he left Oliver on the bench after the first 2 and outs is mystery to me as it has been all season long.

I love the triple option offense and CPJ, but his stubbornness to make patently obvious changes at QB throughout his coaching stint at GT has now come to an inauspicious end.

We had hoped for a much better result. But as CPJ has said on numerous occasions: "It is what it is!"
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I think he was letting Marshall play his last game, to be honest.
 
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Dpjacket said:
We had 44 carries. TQM had 22 (Oliver another 9). Mason 5 carries; Howard 2 carries; Lynch 1 carry. This was no Option, was not a legit offense at any level and was pathetic at every level.
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This was the past two years... TQM had no idea how to run the Triple Option and for some reason CPJ stuck with him anyway.
 
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TechPhi97 said:
Tell you what, student athletes having to do a press conference after a game like that is tough. Many people don't have to answer for their performance publicly immediately after it happens. I hope everyone commenting on players realizes they are just kids.
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22 23 and in college. Not kids
 
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TechPhi97 said:
Tell you what, student athletes having to do a press conference after a game like that is tough. Many people don't have to answer for their performance publicly immediately after it happens. I hope everyone commenting on players realizes they are just kids.
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Many programs provide media training now. They should expect it.
 

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bobongo said:
We had more. We are at a nadir now in both areas. Our linebackers in particular are the weakest I have ever seen on the flats. Pretty good size at DB but that's the only area. The rest of the team is small. Our OL is the size of the average FCS team. The DL is even smaller. Look at them and see. We have got to get bigger and stronger in order to consistently compete. We need big upgrades in recruiting and strength & conditioning. Pretend otherwise if you wish.
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Im just trying to figure out how we won games at all if we are so depleted talent wise, with no size and strength on the team. Saying we won because we had heart isn't exactly a reasonable explanation. Some of our guys are capable of playing football at a high level. To pretend otherwise is just ignoring on the field results. You can't just claim some arbitrary metric like heart or luck to explain away wins.
 
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WreckinGT said:
Im just trying to figure out how we won games at all if we are so depleted talent wise, with no size and strength on the team. Saying we won because we had heart isn't exactly a reasonable explanation. Some of our guys are capable of playing football at a high level. To pretend otherwise is just ignoring on the field results. You can't just claim some arbitrary metric like heart or luck to explain away wins.
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You see people saying this after every GT loss- we are slow, weak, small. It’s b.s. loser talk.
 

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bobongo said:
We had more. We are at a nadir now in both areas. Our linebackers in particular are the weakest I have ever seen on the flats. Pretty good size at DB but that's the only area. The rest of the team is small. Our OL is the size of the average FCS team. The DL is even smaller. Look at them and see. We have got to get bigger and stronger in order to consistently compete. We need big upgrades in recruiting and strength & conditioning. Pretend otherwise if you wish.
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Hmmmmmm. How about a little data? That always seems to help.

Average weight for starting OLs: Minnesota - 327 (308 w/o Faalele) / Georgia Tech - 294

Average weight for starting DLs: Minnesota - 275 / Georgia Tech - 278

Our OL is smaller because we favored speed and flexibility over sheer weight. But the overall difference is insignificant and their average is pumped up by a 400 lb OT, something you don't see every day. Our DL is actually slightly heavier then UM's and, as can be seen, we outweighed their DL by 19 pounds on the average. These kind of OL / DL discrepancies are not at all unusual. It is true that now that we are about to change O systems our OLs will have to pork up a bit, but that's about all that will be required.

We've gone over this before. The discrepancies between our lines and those of our opponents are about the same as you find throughout college football. We could use more talent, of course; who couldn't?
 

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takethepoints said:
Hmmmmmm. How about a little data? That always seems to help.

Average weight for starting OLs: Minnesota - 327 (308 w/o Faalele) / Georgia Tech - 294

Average weight for starting DLs: Minnesota - 275 / Georgia Tech - 278

Our OL is smaller because we favored speed and flexibility over sheer weight. But the overall difference is insignificant and their average is pumped up by a 400 lb OT, something you don't see every day. Our DL is actually slightly heavier then UM's and, as can be seen, we outweighed their DL by 19 pounds on the average. These kind of OL / DL discrepancies are not at all unusual. It is true that now that we are about to change O systems our OLs will have to pork up a bit, but that's about all that will be required.

We've gone over this before. The discrepancies between our lines and those of our opponents are about the same as you find throughout college football. We could use more talent, of course; who couldn't?
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The OL man for Minn. really stood out seeing him in person.
 

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TechPhi97 said:
Honestly, you're already seeing it. The guys knows how to stay on message. They interviewed him during the game and he's beating the same drum over and over again - pro-style offense, Atlanta, respect for the past, dream job. If nothing else, the guy is going to be on message and bring effort and commitment.
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Yeah, but someone needs to get him a new sports coat. :eek:
 
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TechPhi97 said:
Honestly, you're already seeing it. The guys knows how to stay on message. They interviewed him during the game and he's beating the same drum over and over again - pro-style offense, Atlanta, respect for the past, dream job. If nothing else, the guy is going to be on message and bring effort and commitment.
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When has he ever said we're using a pro style offense? "Pre Style" and "something that looks more like what they run on Sundays" or "a system that maximizes our players' opportunities to go pro" are not necessarily the same thing .
 
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takethepoints said:
Hmmmmmm. How about a little data? That always seems to help.

Average weight for starting OLs: Minnesota - 327 (308 w/o Faalele) / Georgia Tech - 294

Average weight for starting DLs: Minnesota - 275 / Georgia Tech - 278

Our OL is smaller because we favored speed and flexibility over sheer weight. But the overall difference is insignificant and their average is pumped up by a 400 lb OT, something you don't see every day. Our DL is actually slightly heavier then UM's and, as can be seen, we outweighed their DL by 19 pounds on the average. These kind of OL / DL discrepancies are not at all unusual. It is true that now that we are about to change O systems our OLs will have to pork up a bit, but that's about all that will be required.

We've gone over this before. The discrepancies between our lines and those of our opponents are about the same as you find throughout college football. We could use more talent, of course; who couldn't?
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The AVERAGE for FCS OL is 291, from freshmen through 5th year seniors. We are 294 in our STARTING OL? Hmmm. And do you deny the fact that our linebackers are small? You didn't mention them, but it's obvious that they are. You want to run the numbers? Be my guest. I can see. DL isn't too small, but the other component is strength. We look weak to me. That's why so many tackles get broken on us at LOS and at linebacker. I reiterate: Our biggest problem is size AND strength. We need a new approach in the weight room and more resources applied to recruiting to remedy this.
 
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