QB battle

[Techster]

I'm sure you know this, but just to clarify, that doesn't just look like GT's offense. That IS GT's offense. Johnson started coaching offense for a run and shoot team, with run and shoot personnel, and decided to run option out of the run and shoot. If the option is the heart of PJ's offense, the run and shoot is the skeleton.

Yup. Tracy Ham talks about it in a video I posted a couple of weeks ago.

Something inside CPJ WANTS to show more of the RnS part of his offense. Lucas just may be the guy to get that going.

 

[tech_wreck47]

Yup. Tracy Ham talks about it in a video I posted a couple of weeks ago.

Something inside CPJ WANTS to show more of the RnS part of his offense. Lucas just may be the guy to get that going.

I swear if I see you put Lucas name on this site one more time......... lol

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

That Gaabriel didn't throw many good spirals but he sure did put the ball where it needed to go.

 

[Techster]

That Gaabriel didn't throw many good spirals but he sure did put the ball where it needed to go.

Throwing spirals is overrated. Peyton Manning threw ducks all over the place and he did OK.

 

[ilovetheoption]

I'm like 90% sure I remember seeing somewhere that the optimum aerodynamic delivery actually has a slight wobble off of a perfect spiral, that served as an offset for the laces. Instantly, they say Drew Brees threw the ball perfectly for aerodynamic purposes.

 

[YJMD]

I'm like 90% sure I remember seeing somewhere that the optimum aerodynamic delivery actually has a slight wobble off of a perfect spiral, that served as an offset for the laces. Instantly, they say Drew Brees threw the ball perfectly for aerodynamic purposes.

I saw the same thing. But I'm not sure the wobble was for aerodynamics. Maybe catchability?

 

[ilovetheoption]

I saw the same thing. But I'm not sure the wobble was for aerodynamics. Maybe catchability?

Could be

 

[Eastman]

I recall aerodynamics. the most impressive part was that Brees could throw more accurately that an Olympic Archer. It was on Sports Science and can be seen on YouTube. https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=drew+brees+archery&qpvt=drew+Brees+archery&FORM=VDRE

 

[dressedcheeseside]

Yup. Tracy Ham talks about it in a video I posted a couple of weeks ago.

Something inside CPJ WANTS to show more of the RnS part of his offense. Lucas just may be the guy to get that going.

I think he wants to win more than he wants to pass. Also, the Vad experiment proved one thing, there's only so much time in practice. You can only rep so much and be good at it.

 

[Jean-Baptiste Rochambeau]

huh? D Thomas was here with Nesbit, arguably the second best WR that has come out of tech.

One drop in particular has scarred my memory.

 

[33jacket]

One drop in particular has scarred my memory.

oh god. that ripped my heart out.

we need to win at home this year.

 

[potatohead]

One drop in particular has scarred my memory.

 

[MidtownJacket]

Now the real question begins. Which one of the QBs best positions us for adidas uniforms next season? We should think about t meh future of this program and be proactive.


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[Techster]

I think he wants to win more than he wants to pass. Also, the Vad experiment proved one thing, there's only so much time in practice. You can only rep so much and be good at it.

**YAWN**

CPJ has said over and over they practice passing the ball quite a bit. In fact, he verbally abused a reporter for trying to accuse CPJ for not practicing passing enough as to why we don't pass well.

Part of being a good passer is innate. You're either gifted physically (ability to throw the ball) and mentally (knowing where and when to throw and how to attack defenses) or you're not. LJ is a good passer, and it's innate in him. Anyone can tell. Vad was a good passer, but CPJ's "problem" was he was trying to be too exotic with the Pistol and Diamond formation. As @ilovetheoption the pointed out, the RnS is in the DNA of our offense, and it's a type of passing offense that can be devastating. There's really not much we need to tweak to make it effective, and even within our offense. Over time CPJ can tweak the reads off the routes, or he can put in a "shotgun" package (which, BTW, we already have) that has the BB in next to the QB for pass pro or leak out to the flats. We can add timing throws (like the back shoulder), but there's not much we really need to do that's not already in our playbook.

Does that mean CPJ is gonna throw it 30+ times a game? No, but I have no doubt CPJ wants to take advantage of the skill players we have and the talented passing QB he already has. BTW, I don't know if you've noticed, but CPJ offers quite a few of the talented dual threat QBs that pass just as well as they run. I don't think he's doing that to seem them run midlines and pitch the ball backwards all game. CPJ wants to see his QBs be successful passing the ball forward as well...otherwise, why would he have entertained the "Vad thing" in the first place?

 

[dressedcheeseside]

**YAWN**

CPJ has said over and over they practice passing the ball quite a bit. In fact, he verbally abused a reporter for trying to accuse CPJ for not practicing passing enough as to why we don't pass well.

Part of being a good passer is innate. You're either gifted physically (ability to throw the ball) and mentally (knowing where and when to throw and how to attack defenses) or you're not. LJ is a good passer, and it's innate in him. Anyone can tell. Vad was a good passer, but CPJ's "problem" was he was trying to be too exotic with the Pistol and Diamond formation. As @ilovetheoption the pointed out, the RnS is in the DNA of our offense, and it's a type of passing offense that can be devastating. There's really not much we need to tweak to make it effective, and even within our offense. Over time CPJ can tweak the reads off the routes, or he can put in a "shotgun" package (which, BTW, we already have) that has the BB in next to the QB for pass pro or leak out to the flats. We can add timing throws (like the back shoulder), but there's not much we really need to do that's not already in our playbook.

Does that mean CPJ is gonna throw it 30+ times a game? No, but I have no doubt CPJ wants to take advantage of the skill players we have and the talented passing QB he already has. BTW, I don't know if you've noticed, but CPJ offers quite a few of the talented dual threat QBs that pass just as well as they run. I don't think he's doing that to seem them run midlines and pitch the ball backwards all game. CPJ wants to see his QBs be successful passing the ball forward as well...otherwise, why would he have entertained the "Vad thing" in the first place?

Who said we didn't practice throwing the ball? It's a part of our offense, but a small part. Practice time has to be devoted proportionately. The more time you start devoting to one aspect, the others suffer.

Especially now with a new qb and bback and fairly new center. I highly doubt we will spend time learning new plays. That's what wrinkles are, plays.

Here's a pod cast of a guy describing just the footwork involved in the basic option offense plays. Just the footwork.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/backup-pod...den.com/login/audio-17/17831/Recording(2).m4a

"Mediocrity is the enemy of the football coach. If you do too many things at once, you’ll be mediocre at all of them."
-Lou Cella

 

[Techster]

Who said we didn't practice throwing the ball? It's a part of our offense, but a small part. Practice time has to be devoted proportionately. The more time you start devoting to one aspect, the others suffer.

Especially now with a new qb and bback and fairly new center. I highly doubt we will spend time learning new plays. That's what wrinkles are, plays.

Here's a pod cast of a guy describing just the footwork involved in the basic option offense plays. Just the footwork.

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LOL...you're always making it sound like our offense is this impossible calculus that requires a PHD to master. Our offense isn't anymore complicated than other offenses, and our QBs aren't asked to read defenses anymore than any other offense. Heck, considering the limited ways defenses can line up against us, I'd argue our system makes reads easier for our QBs. ALL offenses require their QBs to have certain footwork. If you look at the breakdown of reads QBs need to do for any other offense, it would be similarly complex to ours.

We don't recruit dummies to GT.

 

[dressedcheeseside]

LOL...you're always making it sound like our offense is this impossible calculus that requires a PHD to master. Our offense isn't anymore complicated than other offenses, and our QBs aren't asked to read defenses anymore than any other offense. Heck, considering the limited ways defenses can line up against us, I'd argue our system makes reads easier for our QBs. ALL offenses require their QBs to have certain footwork. If you look at the breakdown of reads QBs need to do for any other offense, it would be similarly complex to ours.

We don't recruit dummies to GT.

Our O is extremely dependent on timing, spacing and synchronicity to be successful. This is why it usually sputters in the early season, even with a veteran running the show. It takes game reps to gain this mastery. 'Keep it simple stupid' is a very tried and true phrase and it's especially true for our O in the early going. It's even more true with a newbie at qb. (rhyme not intended, but I like it!)

Oh, and a newbie at Bback and fairly newbie at center.

If you'll remember, we had this type of scenario last year in Blacksburg. CPJ kept it simple and look what happened. Yeah, the D balled out, but we sure as heck didn't get fancy on O.

 

[Techster]

Our O is extremely dependent on timing, spacing and synchronicity to be successful. This is why it usually sputters in the early season, even with a veteran running the show. It takes game reps to gain this mastery. 'Keep it simple stupid' is a very tried and true phrase and it's especially true for our O in the early going. It's even more true with a newbie at qb. (rhyme not intended, but I like it!)

Oh, and a newbie at Bback and fairly newbie at center.

If you'll remember, we had this type of scenario last year in Blacksburg. CPJ kept it simple and look what happened. Yeah, the D balled out, but we sure as heck didn't get fancy on O.

What system isn't dependant on timing? That's all offenses. Our offense is not unique.

This is college. Players change every year. Coaches need to replace veterans with newbies every year. Nature of the beast. Coaches that are successful are the ones who develop and have a plan in place.

We're not anymore (or less) unique in those regard than anyone else.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Our O is extremely dependent on timing, spacing and synchronicity to be successful. This is why it usually sputters in the early season, even with a veteran running the show. It takes game reps to gain this mastery. 'Keep it simple stupid' is a very tried and true phrase and it's especially true for our O in the early going. It's even more true with a newbie at qb. (rhyme not intended, but I like it!)

Oh, and a newbie at Bback and fairly newbie at center.

If you'll remember, we had this type of scenario last year in Blacksburg. CPJ kept it simple and look what happened. Yeah, the D balled out, but we sure as heck didn't get fancy on O.

Liked for the rhyming of 'newbie at qb'.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

What system isn't dependant on timing? That's all offenses. Our offense is not unique.

This is college. Players change every year. Coaches need to replace veterans with newbies every year. Nature of the beast. Coaches that are successful are the ones who develop and have a plan in place.

We're not anymore (or less) unique in those regard than anyone else.

Right. I mean, we're basically a wishbone formation, except the strong side is obfuscated until an AB goes in motion. Its not that different from a spread offense or run and shoot. Our ABs are all purpose backs who frequently play WR in high school. The only reason we don't throw on every down (or most of them) is that CPJ prefers to call runs. But the passing plays are there.

I just rewatched the Duke game from last year again. On our last series when it was 3rd and 19 and Duke might get the ball back on a punt with 2 minutes left, the announcers were talking about how scary of a position Duke was in at that point with Justin Thomas under center. I mean that is just a stupid idiot comment. The stuff people say about our offense - it can't come from behind down 2 touchdowns very often, it doesn't do well in 3rd and long - its the same crap you could say for any other team. People way over think this stuff in my opinion.