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[Technut1990]

Something that you conservatives continue to fail to understand is that proposed gun control legislation doesn't take away your 2nd amendment rights. I know the right wing media tells you that but it's not true.

You conservatives have your Tea Party, Unite the Right, March for Life rallies. You are free to attend any of those rallies. So I don't know what you're talking about. Everyone in this country has freedom of speech, which means the government can't tell you what you can or cannot say. Maybe you don't have a great understanding of the 1st amendment. Also citizens have the right to peacefully counter protest and strongly disagree with you and your opinions. I guess you don't like that part.
You still haven't proven to me your claim that the Democratic party is restricting or banning your 1st amendment rights. Has Maxine Waters or Nancy Pelosi knocked down your door and arrested you for supporting Trump?

The thing you don’t understand is that the proposal to limit anything specifically enumerated in the constitution is an attempt to smother the amendment. The problem you have is that you don’t understand “shall not be infringed”. It doesn’t say can be infringed a little or when nut jobs murder, it says shall not be infringed. Yelling fire in a theater is an intentional act of a person, when it’s not true it’s intended to cause panic. we don’t legislate against the yelling we legislate against the harm. I wish you libs took this approach with the 1st amendment abuse by the media. If I even suggest the media should be mandated to report facts it gets y’all going.

Currently the constitution is the constitution as written and any proposal made by democrats concerning gun rights IS a violation of their oaths. Now if the constitution gave a path to override amendments I would say do that override constitutionally — oh wait it does doesn’t it, the dems just don’t want to try that option b/c it would fail. They want a slow burn, a little at a time.

Every dem that supports these “proposals” is treasonist. They took an oath and they know what the oath says.

The funny thing to me is that I’ve seen way to much gun violence to argue for unrestricted access by the nuts of this world but I find myself firmly on the right on this b/c dems will not use the constitution process to change the 2nd amendment, if they were serious it would be the very first thing they did when they had/have the power, but it ain’t !

 

[awbuzz]

Didn’t seem to care about it his first two years when he had ability to pass legislature with majorities in both legislative bodies. That why the ACA passed, as Obama started it when he had the ability to do so more easily, and it was one of his priories.
Entire shutdown was over attempting to score political points. Trumps biggest platform issues was “we’re building a wall and Mexico is paying for it” obviously part of that has changed, but immigration had the ability to be a forefront issue and it never solidified when he could have done it with a snap of his fingers.

Please tell us you know how many votes it takes in the Senate to get a bill passed and that you are just trolling.

Hint:
It's not 51 votes.

Also, there were enough Democrat Senators to force it through. Zero, 0, zilch, nada Republican Senators voted for the ACA.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

You would literally have to be intentionally turning a blind eye to stated goals of liberals to ask that question.

In Every legislative session in democratic controlled bodies all over this country restrictions are passed or at least proposed, on gun possession and ownership. Gun ownership is the stated target of Sanders - the leading democratic candidate for president and as stated civil actions, many initiated by democratic mayors and governors have been filed against gun manufacturers as a way to control distribution.

The other things I stated are easily seen but I’ll speciffically address public gatherings.

Maxine Waters, now a chairwoman in your party openly directed that conservatives be harassed in public. She stated that wherever they go, whatever they do they should be harassed she stated they shouldn’t be allowed to eat in peace, go to a movie etc...

Goverment bodies (city and state) are increasingly denying permitted assembly of “hate” groups more and more often based not on a denial of their constitutionally protected right to assemble but because of a lack of funds to monitor the events, secure the participants or sometimes the “danger to the public”. These are not precursors to having constitutional rights, yet they are denied permits for these reasons. If and when they do assemble the police are turned from public servants who ensure rights to government tools to prevent the assembly. Arrest are made forunlawful assembly and disrupting the peace.

As abhorrent as these groups may be it’s the democrats and media who excuse the rock throwing stick wielding counter protesters and place all violence related to the initial assembly on the original group.

If liberals and the media inflamed mobs who have to be held back, would simply go about their days, all 200 members of the hate groups would leave in 2 hours —- but they must be confronted right ? They must be made to understand they won’t be tolerated ! Screw the constitution!

Protest even by the Klan is a right that up until the last 10 years was protected. Why ? Because when you or I base rights upon who or what we like then those rights are in jeopardy for all of us.

Do the masses of liberals that take over city streets and shut down travel and commerce have permits ? Why is it that when liberals take to streets they aren’t met by rock throwing conservatives who amaze by the thousands to oppose them ?

every case of peaceful assembly of anti liberal Opionion is met by defiant liberals blocking something, there is absolutely no question that liberals are trying like hell to shut down any opposing thought — none, and they use mobs and propaganda to do it, without interference from elected democrats

There was honestly nothing further to say to him after he asserted Dems aren’t trying to restrict 2A.

He’s obviously either delusional or trolling when conflating Dems across the country and just the ones in Congress. Either way you are wasting your breath on a socialist fascist.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Of course they haven't limited anyone's first amendment because that would be unconstitutional. But we do live in a country in which it's citizens can disagree with anyone they want. Like the president can curse at NFL players peacefully protesting.
But do you actually believe the Democratic party is actively using their money and resources to sue and ruin the lives of anyone that "say the wrong things out loud? "
If so, you and most conservatives give the Democratic party too much credit.

Cake baker. Keep turning a blind eye and keep defending evil suppressive politics. We know the truth for what it is.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Something that you conservatives continue to fail to understand is that proposed gun control legislation doesn't take away your 2nd amendment rights. I know the right wing media tells you that but it's not true.

You conservatives have your Tea Party, Unite the Right, March for Life rallies. You are free to attend any of those rallies. So I don't know what you're talking about. Everyone in this country has freedom of speech, which means the government can't tell you what you can or cannot say. Maybe you don't have a great understanding of the 1st amendment. Also citizens have the right to peacefully counter protest and strongly disagree with you and your opinions. I guess you don't like that part.
You still haven't proven to me your claim that the Democratic party is restricting or banning your 1st amendment rights. Has Maxine Waters or Nancy Pelosi knocked down your door and arrested you for supporting Trump?

IRS vs Tea Party. You have been served.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Gun sellers and the gun lobby thrived under Obama. Nothing that he did hurt them at all and you know it. Now gun sales are in sharp decline since Trump got in office. I'm sure gun sales will go back up again whenever we have another Democratic president.

I actually don’t trust Trump at all on 2A. And I don’t think you will have to wait for the next Dem POTUS to see sales spike. It’s probably already occurring. I know I feel the need to buy now. ;p

 

[ramblinwreckguru]

Like when some of you conservatives say that all liberals are baby killers.

Well, now we can all agree that the New York liberals are baby killers at least. They've just made it legal to kill a baby as it's being born after a full term.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

I didn't say the Covington kids said racists things or the cake bakers said they don't like gay people. I was just giving a basic example.
Them being called by some people a racist or bigot is just an opinion.You can agree with it or not. Like when some of you conservatives say that all liberals are baby killers, unAmerican, hate the Constitution, and want rampant crime in the streets. I can tell you that it's not true but you can still have your opinion.
Democrats and Republicans have always had a difference of opinion throughout this country's history but they ultimately agreed that we are all Americans and want whats best for this country. But that has changed.

His local government, the baker’s, tried to ruin and run him out of business. And they continue to.

 

[smathis30]

Please tell us you know how many votes it takes in the Senate to get a bill passed and that you are just trolling.

Hint:
It's not 51 votes.

Also, there were enough Democrat Senators to force it through. Zero, 0, zilch, nada Republican Senators voted for the ACA.

Tons of bills has been proposed that never got passed as they don’t have the pipe dream to even hit 60 votes. Proposing a bill that won’t pass still shows effort and purpose. No bill was Even proposed. Shutdown was nothing but an attempt to strong arm it as an arm flex move and the wall received less votes than the bill to reopen the government

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Back from the derails.

Trump conceded this battle momentarily. In 3 weeks the pressure tilts away from him and toward Pelosi/Schumer. Will be entertaining in the lead up and aftermath of this recent spending bill.

All fed government workers take notice and save a little extra from your recent pay checks. They are likely to stop coming again soon.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Back from the derails.

Trump conceded this battle momentarily. In 3 weeks the pressure tilts away from him and toward Pelosi/Schumer. Will be entertaining in the lead up and aftermath of this recent spending bill.

All fed government workers take notice and save a little extra from your recent pay checks. They are likely to stop coming again soon.

They said on the news that 78% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. But 250 million Americans own a smart phone at an average cost of several hundred dollars, plus an average cell phone bill of $1000/year PER PERSON.

Will people learn to start saving? Probably not.

 

[A Love Supreme]

You're still missing the point, and I'm not sure how. I hope I don't ever call you those things. But if I do, you can just choose to ignore them. And vice versa. What we're complaining about is the mob mentality where when someone says something you don't like, you try to get them fired from their job and ruin their lives. That's what this thread has been about. I don't think anybody begrudges someone else from having an opinion. That's the whole point. Let people have a differing opinion without trying to ruin their lives.

Since you believe there is a mob of liberals trying to get conservatives fired and ruin their lives over a different opinion, how do they pick and choose who to go after? There are a lot of conservative Trump voters out there. Why don't they just accuse every Republican of racism or sexual assault?
To me you make it seem there is a coordinated effort among the liberals to just go after anybody who thinks different from them. If you remember the 2016 election, liberals are not that organized.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Since you believe there is a mob of liberals trying to get conservatives fired and ruin their lives over a different opinion, how do they pick and choose who to go after? There are a lot of conservative Trump voters out there. Why don't they just accuse every Republican of racism or sexual assault?
To me you make it seem there is a coordinated effort among the liberals to just go after anybody who thinks different from them. If you remember the 2016 election, liberals are not that organized.

We gave you numerous examples. Nobody can say with a straight face it’s not real.

Beyond that, I can’t possibly explain or justify the behavior of those in the mob. I dont run in those crazed circles.

 

[A Love Supreme]

The thing you don’t understand is that the proposal to limit anything specifically enumerated in the constitution is an attempt to smother the amendment. The problem you have is that you don’t understand “shall not be infringed”. It doesn’t say can be infringed a little or when nut jobs murder, it says shall not be infringed. Yelling fire in a theater is an intentional act of a person, when it’s not true it’s intended to cause panic. we don’t legislate against the yelling we legislate against the harm. I wish you libs took this approach with the 1st amendment abuse by the media. If I even suggest the media should be mandated to report facts it gets y’all going.

Currently the constitution is the constitution as written and any proposal made by democrats concerning gun rights IS a violation of their oaths. Now if the constitution gave a path to override amendments I would say do that override constitutionally — oh wait it does doesn’t it, the dems just don’t want to try that option b/c it would fail. They want a slow burn, a little at a time.

Every dem that supports these “proposals” is treasonist. They took an oath and they know what the oath says.

The funny thing to me is that I’ve seen way to much gun violence to argue for unrestricted access by the nuts of this world but I find myself firmly on the right on this b/c dems will not use the constitution process to change the 2nd amendment, if they were serious it would be the very first thing they did when they had/have the power, but it ain’t !

Something like universal background checks wont "smother" the 2nd amendment and it is not "treasonist" to support it. Are you trying to restrict my free speech for supporting universal background checks by calling me a "treasonist?"

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Since you believe there is a mob of liberals trying to get conservatives fired and ruin their lives over a different opinion, how do they pick and choose who to go after? There are a lot of conservative Trump voters out there. Why don't they just accuse every Republican of racism or sexual assault?
To me you make it seem there is a coordinated effort among the liberals to just go after anybody who thinks different from them. If you remember the 2016 election, liberals are not that organized.

Well they do wait for them to get in a position to get confirmed etc. So I will grant you that...they wait and target at opportune times.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Something like universal background checks wont "smother" the 2nd amendment and it is not "treasonist" to support it. Are you trying to restrict my free speech for supporting universal background checks by calling me a "treasonist?"

Every move on gun control has been proven to be just the next step toward the complete gun ban liberals truly desire. So much so that there is little room for them to claim “reasonable” gun control measures any more. Which is why so many don’t bother with that tripe anymore.

 

[A Love Supreme]

There was honestly nothing further to say to him after he asserted Dems aren’t trying to restrict 2A.

He’s obviously either delusional or trolling when conflating Dems across the country and just the ones in Congress. Either way you are wasting your breath on a socialist fascist.

You have no clue what you are talking about. Same right wing nonsense and name calling. Just like your leader Trump. By the way, socialism and fascism are too different things. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

You have no clue what you are talking about. Same right wing nonsense and name calling. Just like your leader Trump. By the way, socialism and fascism are too different things. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Socialism and fascism are indeed 2 different things. But they can also go hand in hand. It’s how one group of people tries to transform a country into something it wasn’t meant to be.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

You have no clue what you are talking about. Same right wing nonsense and name calling. Just like your leader Trump. By the way, socialism and fascism are too different things. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Lol wrong again. Fascists have primarily been socialists historically. Carry on with your errant propaganda though.

 

[A Love Supreme]

I actually don’t trust Trump at all on 2A. And I don’t think you will have to wait for the next Dem POTUS to see sales spike. It’s probably already occurring. I know I feel the need to buy now. ;p

You are really uninformed. Gun sales are plummeting right now.