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jacketup said:
The weakness on offense is the OL. Surely you could see that last night if you know anything about football. We have a good OL coach, so contrary to your assertion, it's not coaching.
Only one player on the starting OL is a Collins recruit, and he is a true FR. I don't see that the OL will be any better next year, and could be worse. The OL recuiting sucked under Sewak/Johnson, and that's what we are stuck with for at least one more year. You don't win with FR OL. It takes time to develop O-linemen.

You people who believe you can put up 30 points a game with a poor OL if we had the right OC are just amazing.

We could also use some help at WR, since WR didn't want to play in the Johnson offense. Recruiting wasn't great there either. That can be fixed easier than OL, as we have seen with Brown.
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First thank you for calling me amazing please tell my wife. And yes I know our OL is weak very weak . so lets look at the OL only 1 player that starts was signed by CGC and 2 of the starters are SR but I would guess they will move on after this year. So next year we will have 2 new starters, will that made the OL better , I hope but don't see it. And as far as the OC I look at the plays we run and all I can say is I hope he has been saving plays for next year. This is the end of year 2 at some point the excuses will need to end.
 
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jacketup said:
The weakness on offense is the OL. Surely you could see that last night if you know anything about football. We have a good OL coach, so contrary to your assertion, it's not coaching.
Only one player on the starting OL is a Collins recruit, and he is a true FR. I don't see that the OL will be any better next year, and could be worse. The OL recuiting sucked under Sewak/Johnson, and that's what we are stuck with for at least one more year. You don't win with FR OL. It takes time to develop O-linemen.

You people who believe you can put up 30 points a game with a poor OL if we had the right OC are just amazing.

We could also use some help at WR, since WR didn't want to play in the Johnson offense. Recruiting wasn't great there either. That can be fixed easier than OL, as we have seen with Brown.
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OK, you threw the bait out there....Sewak and CPJ recruited bad OLs but they managed to average over 30 pts per game every season. I can also point out some stellar OLinemen.

Right now our best WR is Jalen Camp, a CPJ guy.

And Brown....he gone, transferred.
 
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Lee said:
I’ve said we aren’t a good offense. You continue to ignore the fact of the severe liabilities we have on that side of the ball.

You do you. Funny we don’t hear you and your 3/4 buddies that love to bash CDP talk about the defense or Thacker. That’s a bigger issue to me. We’ve got much more experience on that side of the ball and yet continue to get torched by bad offenses. It’s obvious you have an axe to grind.

It’s even more obvious when you don’t give examples of why CDP is bad other than to say we didn’t score as many points as we should have. You then diamonds when guys like ibeeballin come on here with gifs of plays we ran that would’ve been successful if a guy would’ve caught the ball, made a block (wr running free), or Sims hit a throw).

Could he be better? Yes. Could you or scuba or Colorado do better? Hell no.
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I've continuously noted Thacker's issues, so you're just wrong on that point.

CDP's job is to score points. When his offense doesn't score points, he is obviously doing a poor job.

I don't know what you mean by "diamonds."

You're last argument is that the OC is better than 3 fans? That's not persuasive.

Most importantly, it was just announced that our OC couldn't stop a player that you called "our other homerun threat" from leaving. Certainly no reason for concern stemming from that fact.
 
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Lotta Juice said:
How can you be so consistently wrong so often?

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/points-per-game?date=2018-01-08

Avg PPG
2018: 33.0 ppg
2017: 27.2 ppg
2016: 27.7 ppg
2015: 25.6 ppg

Once in the last 4 years of his tenure did he meet that mark. No doubt higher than what our current offense is doing but why be blatantly wrong with your information?
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Just an FYI, these numbers look to be against FBS only. Technically we averaged 29.2 ppg in 2015, 28.2 in 2016, 28 in 2017 (game cancelled against UCF's 78th ranked scoring defense), 33.6 in 2018, and 16.6 in 2019.

The numbers you quoted are a better comparison to this year b/c we didn't play an FCS team.
 
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TheTechGuy said:
Just an FYI, these numbers look to be against FBS only. Technically we averaged 29.2 ppg in 2015, 28.2 in 2016, 28 in 2017 (game cancelled against UCF's 78th ranked scoring defense), 33.6 in 2018, and 16.6 in 2019.

The numbers you quoted are a better comparison to this year b/c we didn't play an FCS team.
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Fair. I see that note now. Those 66 point games against Alcorn St increase the point average a bit
 
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senoiajacket said:
.... I support Collins because he’s our coach, but I’m tired of excuses and half truths. For my money, just say what the case really is and quit trying to make excuses or (badly) try to cover up mistakes. You can do that w/o throwing our athletes under the bus.
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such as? what would you have him say?
 

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Coloradojacket said:
Look it up... our worst season 2015 we average 29.3 points per game. Do some research.....
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Haha you literally just proved yourself wrong and told him to do research.

Also did our OL grade out in the bottom of P5 teams each of those years? No. They were asked very little to engage blocks for much longer than half a second. Mostly cutting the guy in front of them. Did you watch those OL in pass pro. Doubt CPJ or Sewak would’ve been able to run any other offense with that line and have any success. We aren’t running their offense anymore so it’s reasonable to expect the transition to be ugly.
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I've continuously noted Thacker's issues, so you're just wrong on that point.

CDP's job is to score points. When his offense doesn't score points, he is obviously doing a poor job.

I don't know what you mean by "diamonds."

You're last argument is that the OC is better than 3 fans? That's not persuasive.

Most importantly, it was just announced that our OC couldn't stop a player that you called "our other homerun threat" from leaving. Certainly no reason for concern stemming from that fact.
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Diamond was dismiss before it got auto corrected. Weird change, but oh well.

Losing Brown hurts for sure. You assuming that CDP could do anything to stop it without knowing why he left is very assumptive though.
 
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Lee said:
Haha you literally just proved yourself wrong and told him to do research.

Also did our OL grade out in the bottom of P5 teams each of those years? No. They were asked very little to engage blocks for much longer than half a second. Mostly cutting the guy in front of them. Did you watch those OL in pass pro. Doubt CPJ or Sewak would’ve been able to run any other offense with that line and have any success. We aren’t running their offense anymore so it’s reasonable to expect the transition to be ugly.

Diamond was dismiss before it got auto corrected. Weird change, but oh well.

Losing Brown hurts for sure. You assuming that CDP could do anything to stop it without knowing why he left is very assumptive though.
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Lol why would they run a different offense? It was constantly above average and elite a few times so that's a pretty pointless comment.

The point is to win games not be good at pass pro. Some of y'all have lost sight of this basic view in competitive football.
 
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tomknight said:
such as? what would you have him say?
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I wish he would have said Naduzzi is a ******* and I don't care for him. Our players didn't play well and we didn't prepare them well enough to win. It really doesn't matter either way though, doesn't change the outcome.
 

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Lotta Juice said:
Fair. I see that note now. Those 66 point games against Alcorn St increase the point average a bit
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Yup, but you have to include it when comparing to 2019 since we played Citadel. Obviously, Citadel didn't go well, but they are an FCS team. As I noted, your numbers are a better comparison to 2020.
 

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Ibeeballin said:
Yes, “misfit” we were not fitting our run. On the last run, either Jackson was wrong or there should’ve been a safety filling that lane.

No, the first run Jackson took on the block square up instead of on his inside shoulder giving the RB two-way go. If he stays on the inside shoulder he spills the ball the unaccounted for safety it’s a minimal gain (we hope)

So I’m not sure what excuses or non truth are
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The play was a TOTAL screwup by us. Our DT -92?--thought he supposed to cross with Brooks,so he took himself competely out of play. (whose fault ?).Then Quez got hung up on OG.Then Tariq Completely !!!! misread the runner and whiffed--which has happened too much by our Safeties this yr. PAR for course this yr.
 

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Lol why would they run a different offense? It was constantly above average and elite a few times so that's a pretty pointless comment.

The point is to win games not be good at pass pro. Some of y'all have lost sight of this basic view in competitive football.
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They wouldn’t. Some of y’all act like that’s the only offense that can be successful. It ain’t and ain’t coming back.

Most of us rational thinkers can see that it’s gone and not coming back. We can also see that transitioning from an offense where the OL isn’t asked to engage in blocks is going to take time when they have to actually engage in blocks. We were also undersized.

Also, as others pointed out above, our offense wasn’t that great against FBS opponents at the end of PJs era. 3 consecutive years under 30 ppg and ranked in the 60’s or so.

We are worse now to be sure, but that’s to be expected. Factor in the 3 qbs (with any experience) we had to start the season last year have either transferred because they were beaten out (last year or by a true freshman this year) or moved to play defense.

Imagine PJ taking over a team with a bunch of big/slow OL and 3 Calvin Bookers at qb. How good would his offense be then?
 
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