Come on buddy, if your gonna quote me, don't leave important parts out to suit your agenda.
I said "with the same players" and "for the same money".
So.... I'm still waiting for some names...
Dude, you do realize this is the college game, right? You can't say who can do better with the "same players" since:
1. You have to coach up the previous coaches players. That is your job as a coach. If you can't do that, then...
2. You need to recruit players who are better than what you inherited if you can't "coach up" the players already on the roster.
Let's look at an example of someone who did something more with the talent he inherited, and we don't have to look far: Charles Kelly
Everyone remember the defensive debacle of the 2011 season before Groh was fired? Our defense ruined what could have been a great season because we had one of the best offenses in GT history. We could not stop anyone. Well, Groh was let go and Kelly was elevated to DC. This is what he did:
• Kelly came to FSU after seven years as a special teams and defensive backs coach at Georgia Tech. He was elevated to interim defensive coordinator in the sixth game of the 2012 season when the Yellow Jackets had a 2-4 record. After taking over as defensive coordinator, Kelly helped Georgia Tech finish 5-3 (7-7 overall), including a Hyundai Sun Bowl victory over USC. Kelly’s defense limited the high-powered Trojan offense to 205 yards and seven points in the bowl win.
• One of the biggest improvements in Tech’s defense the last eight games of the season was its play in the second half, specifically in the fourth quarter. In the first six games of the season, Tech allowed an average of 13.3 points in the fourth quarter and in overtime, compared to just 3.9 points in the fourth quarter the final eight games of the season. The Yellow Jackets did not allow a fourth-quarter point in each of their final four games (Duke, Georgia, FSU and USC). The defense shut out both FSU and USC in the second half of those games. Opponents scored 44.2 percent of their points in the fourth quarter and in OT through the first six games of the season, compared to just 14.4 percent of their points in the fourth quarter over the final eight games.
Ted Roof inherited a veteran group of players in 2015. Every single member of the defensive backfield, and defensive line were starters in 2014, and our 2 LBs in the 4-2-5 (PJ Davis and Tyler Stargel) got extensive snaps in 2014. What were the results?
Total defense: 45
Scoring Defense: 56
Rushing defense: 60
Passing defense: 38
ACC rankings:
Total defense: 9
Scoring Defense: 11
Rushing defense: 8
Passing defense: 10
So who would do better at GT for the money GT ? Well, look at the rankings, and look at the highest paid coordinators in the game (
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant). It may be harder to answer the question "Who wouldn't be better?!" The list of viable candidates is pretty easy because Roof is one of the higher paid DCs in the game (about #15 highest paid DC), and a lot of the guys who don't get paid as much had better performing defenses. Oh, that list also includes guys like the aforementioned Charles Kelly ($583K), Geoff Collins ($701K) who both are familiar with GT's recruiting challenges. You want another guy for bonus round? Try Dale Pehrson (Preston Pehrson's father) at Navy (NAVY!!!) who had the 26th ranked total defense in the nation after taking over for Buddy Green. But that's Navy...no coach there could recruit and coach in the ACC, right? Oops...sorry CPJ.
The other part: Recruiting. Are you saying we should give Roof credit for coaching the squad he mostly recruited? You don't see the problem with that? If he can't coach up the players he inherited, AND he can't coach up the players he personally recruited...well, isn't GT screwed either way, then with Roof?
Sorry man...not sure about you. In the real world, when you pay a premium for something, you expect premium returns. I don't go to the Capital Grill and order an expensive Rib Eye and get a piece of chopped steak from Longhorn. I don't go to the Mercedes dealership and pay for a SL500 AMG and get a Toyota Corolla. You're one of the biggest drum beaters that GT doesn't have a lot of resources....well, wouldn't it be smart then of GT to make the most of the resources it has? Roof is one of the highest paid DCs not only in all of college football, but in all the P5 conferences. GT doesn't get the highest ranked SAs, but the guys we get aren't chopped liver either (just look at the guys on defense who have been drafted or signed with an NFL team since Roof has been here). Roof doesn't need a top 10 defense at GT...no one expects that. But can we at least get a top 30 defense? The answer so far is, better not hold your breath...