Joe Hamilton on 680

[Coloradojacket]

I’d encourage you to think before you post. There was not an ACCCG when O’Leary was coaching nor an Orange Bowl tie in. Both coaches won one ACC Championship.

O'Leary never won an ACC championship. He never beat Fla State.

 

[Boaty1]

Fair enough.

Kinda sucks the fans are so split on this. We all want the same thing: Tech to be successful. Contrary to what some people say, I don’t believe anti-CPJ people rooted against Tech and I don’t believe pro-CPJ people will root against Tech. We’re all Tech fans.

My issue is the pro CPJ guys often times run down our program to prop him up. I believe that can have a negative impact on our program and I don’t want those that are so negative about our program to make that the standard narrative. It can become a negative self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[ibeattetris]

I would argue it shows how well respected our program was.

That goes back to ranking being subjective. I do not think the 8-4 team that lost a bowl game under O'Leary was a better team that our 9-4 team that won their bowl game under Johnson. That doesn't take anything away from how good the teams were under O'Leary, but they can't play each other so we'll never know. Using ranks to compare teams with similar records just shows rankings are hogwash.

 

[BleedGoldNWhite21]

My issue is the pro CPJ guys often times run down our program to prop him up. I believe that can have a negative impact on our program and I don’t want those that are so negative about our program to make that the standard narrative. It can become a negative self fulfilling prophecy.

You can make the case the Anti-CPJ people do the same. This very thread is talking about how bad our current roster is because CPJ sucks. Both sides of this argument are dumb.

 

[Boaty1]

O'Leary never won an ACC championship. He never beat Fla State.

He did in 98. Why would you say he didn’t?

 

[Jacketman1]

Can we all lay off Joe? One of, if not the best to ever wear the white and gold. So he didn't like CPJ, and he said it on the radio. So what? CPJ is gone now anyways. And yes, I am and have been a huge CPJ supporter.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

I think if CRF had stayed and we had gotten a better D coordinator, yes. I loved O'Leary but fact was CRF made him just like he made CBR. And by the way CRF, had the base play as the TO

Still have to give the HC credit regardless of assistants.

The TO with Fridge was a wrinkle in his scheme imo. I don’t recall running it more than 5 times a game so I wouldn’t classify it as a base play. Just my dumb opinion though.

 

[Boaty1]

That goes back to ranking being subjective. I do not think the 8-4 team that lost a bowl game under O'Leary was a better team that our 9-4 team that won their bowl game under Johnson. That doesn't take anything away from how good the teams were under O'Leary, but they can't play each other so we'll never know. Using ranks to compare teams with similar records just shows rankings are hogwash.

I can agree with this. It does show well respected our program was however.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

He did in 98. Why would you say he didn’t?

It was a “tie” and FSU beat Tech head to head for the “tie breaker.”

 

[Coloradojacket]

Still have to give the HC credit regardless of assistants.

The TO with Fridge was a wrinkle in his scheme imo. I don’t recall running it more than 5 times a game so I wouldn’t classify it as a base play. Just my dumb opinion though.

ummm, look familiar, Tech Clemson 1999

 

[ibeattetris]

CPJ inherited multiple NFL players. The QB he inherited was arguably the best QB he has had his entire tenure.

The new coach will be inheriting a team which in the past 2 years has sent less non kicker players to the NFL than Georgia Southern and Georgia State. And we are unlikely to get very many drafted this season either.

I mean, it’s easy to see why it’s easier to give more credit to the players for CPJ’s success in the first few years, than the next coaches hopefully successful first 2 seasons.

There are quite a few sophomores and freshman that may be drafted.
The fact that CPJ puts out top 25 offenses with non nfl talent shows the draft isn't everything. He even had his best year after all of Gailey's recruits were gone. He never fielded a defense and that was our team's down fall, not some lack of talent on the offense.

 

[Boaty1]

You can make the case the Anti-CPJ people do the same. This very thread is talking about how bad our current roster is because CPJ sucks. Both sides of this argument are dumb.

Not at all. I think our program can recruit better than what it has under CPJ while my opponents say we can’t. Some are saying we are like a military academy playing in the ACC with all the restrictions we have. Some say we will be lucky to win 6 games a year with a new coach although there is nothing in our history that indicates that will be the case. I’m not negative about our program st all. I actually think we should expect to do better and will do better on the future.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

ummm, look familiar, Tech Clemson 1999

Video “unavailable” for me. Hey you could be right. It’s just how I remember it but that was a long time ago and memory fades...mine does at least.

 

[buzzwilder]

Calvin hates the offense too. A lot of the non CPJ guys do, from what I’ve heard. But yeah.

That's my point...I'm sure Calvin doesn't like the offense but I've never heard him speak negatively about it or CPJ or the program. He's always positive when speaking of GT.

 

[BleedGoldNWhite21]

Not at all. I think our program can recruit better than what it has under CPJ while my opponents say we can’t. Some are saying we are like a military academy playing in the ACC with all the restrictions we have. Some say we will be lucky to win 6 games a year with a new coach although there is nothing in our history that indicates that will be the case. I’m not negative about our program st all. I actually think we should expect to do better and will do better on the future.

I didn’t say you particularly, but this very thread is filled with users(won’t call out anyone) saying no one on our current roster could make the NFL and our players suck etc. That’s just as toxic.

Both sides are dumb. We had a coach retire that will almost definitely go into the HoF. Say your thanks and move on to the next person. This whole debate is embarrassing for our fans. CPJ doesn’t need anyone defending him and people don’t need to talk about how horrible he was.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Not at all. I think our program can recruit better than what it has under CPJ while my opponents say we can’t. Some are saying we are like a military academy playing in the ACC with all the restrictions we have. Some say we will be lucky to win 6 games a year with a new coach although there is nothing in our history that indicates that will be the case. I’m not negative about our program st all. I actually think we should expect to do better and will do better on the future.

No you are saying we couldn’t recruit primarily because of scheme. Others are saying it was primarily because of a lack of resources.

I don’t care who the next coach is or what scheme he runs. If we have a recruiting staff of two....or even four...our recruiting won’t improve long term.

 

[ibeattetris]

It was a “tie” and FSU beat Tech head to head for the “tie breaker.”

We claim the championship and the ACC recognizes it. That's certainly enough for me.

 

[Coloradojacket]

I didn’t say you particularly, but this very thread is filled with users(won’t call out anyone) saying no one on our current roster could make the NFL and our players suck etc. That’s just as toxic.

Both sides are dumb. We had a coach retire that will almost definitely go into the HoF. Say your thanks and move on to the next person. This whole debate is embarrassing for our fans. CPJ doesn’t need anyone defending him and people don’t need to talk about how horrible he was.

lol guys, we have never been an NFL factory and never will. yes we have Calvin Demerius, Shaq Gotsis, Burnett, and DM, but I would challenge you all to name more that actually contributed. Dorsey Levens, sure, but how about our top layers, Shawn Jones, Jerry Mays, Robert Lavette, we are just not an NFL factory and never will be. So what college football is not the NFL.

 

[56JacketDE]

That goes back to ranking being subjective. I do not think the 8-4 team that lost a bowl game under O'Leary was a better team that our 9-4 team that won their bowl game under Johnson. That doesn't take anything away from how good the teams were under O'Leary, but they can't play each other so we'll never know. Using ranks to compare teams with similar records just shows rankings are hogwash.

so yealry wins over alcorn, jax st, and presby to add an extra game in the schedule doesnt matter?

It was a “tie” and FSU beat Tech head to head for the “tie breaker.”

SO whiskey what are you saying?