Here's a COVID thread for you

[Deleted member 2897]

Except, as your link states:

Of note, those who had an outpatient visit were more often aged 50 years or older, women, non-Hispanic Black and had an underlying diagnosis compared to those without a recorded outpatient visit..

We are discussing what Joe Rogan said, which you described as crazy. He specified healthy 21 year olds.

Fail.

The risk and what it is varies widely by age. For those under age 30 (which is half of our population), the risk of dying of covid is less than that of the flu. But we all should be getting flu shots, because why not? I'm not worried about dying of covid at all, and I'm in my 40s. What does concern me is long term complications, like lung damage, heart damage, and brain fog. If my brain got any more foggier, I'd...wait, I forgot what I was going to say. Anyway, Joe Rogan and Dr. Fauci both failed. Even young healthy people should think about getting the vaccine, because there are no known material side effects. And they can avoid the risk of complications (and of course death, although that risk is minuscule). Rogan is wrong about that. Fauci was wrong because instead of pointing out what the science says, which is yes the death rate is tiny but don't forget about terrible side effects of covid, Fauci said they should get the vaccine so they don't accidentally spread it to someone else who is vulnerable. THEN GET THAT VULNERABLE PERSON TO GET VACCINATED. Fauci's response fell right into the trap of what some young people are using to not get vaccinated. He essentially said there was no legitimate reason not to as it regards to their own health. And that's false.

 

[Lotta Booze]

There is plenty of BS stories out there to try to frighten people....but the facts are as stated...there is LITTLE or NO risk of long term effects. Statements to the contrary are fear porn...

There is no way you can say there is "NO risk" of long term effects unless you're deliberately being dishonest. While it isn't many overall there are younger people who have died from COVID. Jayson Tatum is a healthy NBA player who uses an inhaler before games now due to his bout with COVID. There are certainly a lot of unknowns about the long term effects of COVID but between that and long term effects of the vaccine there's more evidence showing negative effects of COVID. What evidence do you have of long term effects of the vaccine? We have millions of people vaccinated at this point. What other vaccines can you point to that have shown long term effects beyond 2 months after receiving the vaccine?

I understand people being a bit skeptical about vaccines that were quickly developed and even weighing out the risk of getting COVID and long term effects vs immediate side effects of the vaccine but you are being very partisan with your "skepticism" if that's what it is.

 

[ramblinwreckguru]

There is no way you can say there is "NO risk" of long term effects unless you're deliberately being dishonest. While it isn't many overall there are younger people who have died from COVID. Jayson Tatum is a healthy NBA player who uses an inhaler before games now due to his bout with COVID. There are certainly a lot of unknowns about the long term effects of COVID but between that and long term effects of the vaccine there's more evidence showing negative effects of COVID. What evidence do you have of long term effects of the vaccine? We have millions of people vaccinated at this point. What other vaccines can you point to that have shown long term effects beyond 2 months after receiving the vaccine?

I understand people being a bit skeptical about vaccines that were quickly developed and even weighing out the risk of getting COVID and long term effects vs immediate side effects of the vaccine but you are being very partisan with your "skepticism" if that's what it is.

The fact is that noone really knows what the long term effects will be for Covid-19 or the vaccine because neither has been around long enough to find out. I've already had Covid with no ill effects after the 2 week misery back in December, and I need more data (time) on the vaccine before I get it injected my and my wife's bodies. These vaccines were developed differently than other vaccines that have been around a while, and I need to see more cost/benefit analysis.

 

[ncjacket79]

Except, as your link states:

Of note, those who had an outpatient visit were more often aged 50 years or older, women, non-Hispanic Black and had an underlying diagnosis compared to those without a recorded outpatient visit..

We are discussing what Joe Rogan said, which you described as crazy. He specified healthy 21 year olds.

Fail.

More often not exclusively. To be clear I am not suggesting shut downs or anything like that. I am simply suggesting it’s better to not get it (so get the vaccine) no matter how old you are so we can reach herd immunity. Wear a mask in a crowd and use common sense. FYI the wife and I went to a wine tasting/dinner last night with about 30 people. Sat on the patio of a restaurant with no mask, servers were masked, everyone put on a mask when they went inside. No one minded and everyone had a good time.

 

[GTJackets]

In the Charleston SC area. I live in an upscale neighborhood of homes from $500k to $2.5m. The closest grocery store is 3.2 miles away - I know because I've run there. The next closest is 7 miles away. I've run there too, so I know the mileage well.

Sounds like DI somewhere

 

[Milwaukee]

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Yup. The science says if you are immunocompromised or very old and frail, you might continue to wear a mask and keep your distance. But for regular people, the CDC recommendations even after the recent changes are still anti-science and laughable. It also does nothing to encourage people to get vaccinated, so there’s that too.

 

[GT_EE78]

guess CDC will soon tell folks to continue wearing their seatbelts after exiting the car ...

 

[ramblinwreckguru]

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guess CDC will soon tell folks to continue wearing their seatbelts after exiting the car ...

Have to give SW credit for this one.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Have to give SW credit for this one.

It was Babylon Bee, so I’ll pass credit along to them...

 

[GT_EE78]

It was Babylon Bee, so I’ll pass credit along to them...

correct , i was leery to post the link

 

[forensicbuzz]

Yup. The science says if you are immunocompromised or very old and frail, you might continue to wear a mask and keep your distance. But for regular people, the CDC recommendations even after the recent changes are still anti-science and laughable. It also does nothing to encourage people to get vaccinated, so there’s that too.

Show me the research regarding a vaccinated person transmitting the virus. That's the most important data. We all know that getting vaccinated should allow us to breath easy for ourselves. What's the answer for those around us? I know there's been anecdotal evidence, but what does the data say?

 

[ramblinwreckguru]

Show me the research regarding a vaccinated person transmitting the virus. That's the most important data. We all know that getting vaccinated should allow us to breath easy for ourselves. What's the answer for those around us? I know there's been anecdotal evidence, but what does the data say?

All adults who want the vaccine are eligible to get the vaccine now. Once all who want the vaccine get the vaccine, the way I see it is those left have the responsibility for themselves and their families.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Show me the research regarding a vaccinated person transmitting the virus. That's the most important data. We all know that getting vaccinated should allow us to breath easy for ourselves. What's the answer for those around us? I know there's been anecdotal evidence, but what does the data say?

We have a mountain of data and studies now that the CDC has blessed that show vaccinated people do not transmit the virus in any amount that people would care about. It’s not zero, but it effectively is.

 

[forensicbuzz]

We have a mountain of data and studies now that the CDC has blessed that show vaccinated people do not transmit the virus in any amount that people would care about. It’s not zero, but it effectively is.

All the recommendations I've heard said that vaccinated people could be around other vaccinated people. I really haven't seen any recommendations about vaccinated people being around non-vaccinated people. I know there is anecdotal evidence that vaccinated people are not contagious to others but haven't seen what you've described.

 

[armeck]

I heard on the news a couple weeks ago that a food desert is described as a place that does not have a grocery store with fresh food within 3 miles. I’m not sure I’ve ever lived anywhere that a grocery store was within 3 miles of me.

Its not just not within 3 miles, it is within 3 miles AND have no vehicle to get you there and back.

Food Deserts: Another Way the Deck Is Stacked Against Car-Free Americans — Streetsblog USA

Slate has posted this map to illustrate the concentration of “food deserts,” where large numbers of people don’t have access to fresh food. The USDA considers households more than a mile from a supermarket and without access to a car to be in food deserts, often with only convenience-store junk...

usa.streetsblog.org

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Its not just not within 3 miles, it is within 3 miles AND have no vehicle to get you there and back.

Food Deserts: Another Way the Deck Is Stacked Against Car-Free Americans — Streetsblog USA

Slate has posted this map to illustrate the concentration of “food deserts,” where large numbers of people don’t have access to fresh food. The USDA considers households more than a mile from a supermarket and without access to a car to be in food deserts, often with only convenience-store junk...

usa.streetsblog.org

Well that both makes sense, and is silly at the same time. If you don't have a car to get you to the grocery store, that makes total sense. But if you have to drive 4 miles and not 3 - you're talking about 5 minutes versus 4 - that's a silly distinction. The study should be where are there areas where people don't have a car and they have to walk to the grocery store, maybe more than 1 mile. There's no way you're walking that far or further with a ton of groceries.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

All the recommendations I've heard said that vaccinated people could be around other vaccinated people. I really haven't seen any recommendations about vaccinated people being around non-vaccinated people. I know there is anecdotal evidence that vaccinated people are not contagious to others but haven't seen what you've described.

It's official: Vaccinated people don't spread COVID-19

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky this week declared that "vaccinated people do not carry the virus."

fortune.com

CDC Director referenced a new study that showed vaccinated people were not transmitting the virus. Going back several months now worth of a mountain of data, we still have no evidence of any transmissions.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.06.21251283v1.full.pdf

There are also studies that show a complete collapse of the viral load in people that have been vaccinated compared to unvaccinated people. (And they state therein about the correlation of transmission to viral load.)

So this is where we all get to make fun of the CDC (like usual). Because they publish data and announce that we still don't have evidence of any vaccinated people transmitting the virus. But because with covid their tolerance is now 0.0000000000, probably until the end of time they'll want vaccinated people to act like they haven't been vaccinated.

 

[forensicbuzz]

It's official: Vaccinated people don't spread COVID-19

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky this week declared that "vaccinated people do not carry the virus."

fortune.com

CDC Director referenced a new study that showed vaccinated people were not transmitting the virus. Going back several months now worth of a mountain of data, we still have no evidence of any transmissions.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.02.06.21251283v1.full.pdf

There are also studies that show a complete collapse of the viral load in people that have been vaccinated compared to unvaccinated people. (And they state therein about the correlation of transmission to viral load.)

So this is where we all get to make fun of the CDC (like usual). Because they publish data and announce that we still don't have evidence of any vaccinated people transmitting the virus. But because with covid their tolerance is now 0.0000000000, probably until the end of time they'll want vaccinated people to act like they haven't been vaccinated.

Thanks for the data. I hadn't seen that.

So, I was also correct in that I haven't seen where it's being said that it's okay for vaccinated people to be near unvaccinated people (regardless of what the data says).

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Thanks for the data. I hadn't seen that.

So, I was also correct in that I haven't seen where it's being said that it's okay for vaccinated people to be near unvaccinated people (regardless of what the data says).

Yep. The science says it’s okay if you are a healthy person. But the CDC might not say that for a long time. While at the same time stating the science says it’s okay, LOL.