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Milwaukee said:
Stupid Covid overreaction, retarded rules, and fear porn based off zero science cost GT our tourney run.
Am I allowed to say that here? #Covid
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Speaking of zero science, the CDC today said kids can space 3 feet in school. It’s not based on new science or lower risk, it’s what they have to say to get more kids back in school. LOL. Everyone else needs 6 feet. LOL.
 
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I would say yes. You voiced an opinion without dipping your toe into politics. Carry on.
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Except “fear porn” is political spin and “zero science” is also spin. Science is not exact and 539,000 dead and 80,000 with permanent heart damage is legitimate cause for caution. We can have honest disagreements about how much caution is warranted without denigrating those who advocate more caution rather than less.

Did we get screwed? Yes. Were the protocols flawed? My suspicion is yes. I think we will all be pissed if it turns out that Moses had a false positive. I am cursing the gods and anyone else right now who cost us this game.

I guess my point is that we can rail against the NCAA without trying to cram that into a baked-in political position about the virus being no big deal.
 
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Except “fear porn” is political spin and “zero science” is also spin. Science is not exact and 539,000 dead and 80,000 with permanent heart damage is legitimate cause for caution. We can have honest disagreements about how much caution is warranted without denigrating those who advocate more caution rather than less.

Did we get screwed? Yes. Were the protocols flawed? My suspicion is yes. I think we will all be pissed if it turns out that Moses had a false positive. I am cursing the gods and anyone else right now who cost us this game.

I guess my point is that we can rail against the NCAA without trying to cram that into a baked-in political position about the virus being no big deal.
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This is where differing opinions come into play as alluded to somewhere above. I can tolerate opinions as we all have them. But when opinions stray into saying the "other side - the left/right/Dems/Pubs/whatever" is wrong then that becomes overtly political. You can rub up against the line (and some of our posters play the game better than others) but you cannot cross it. And yours did not imo. usually there is some cross discussion amongst us before a thread is locked/moved/deleted so no one's personal bias can take a unilateral action.
 

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This is where differing opinions come into play as alluded to somewhere above. I can tolerate opinions as we all have them. But when opinions stray into saying the "other side - the left/right/Dems/Pubs/whatever" is wrong then that becomes overtly political. You can rub up against the line (and some of our posters play the game better than others) but you cannot cross it. And yours did not imo. usually there is some cross discussion amongst us before a thread is locked/moved/deleted so no one's personal bias can take a unilateral action.
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How about when someone crosses your line you delete their post or move it instead of nuking a thread.
 
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This is where differing opinions come into play as alluded to somewhere above. I can tolerate opinions as we all have them. But when opinions stray into saying the "other side - the left/right/Dems/Pubs/whatever" is wrong then that becomes overtly political. You can rub up against the line (and some of our posters play the game better than others) but you cannot cross it. And yours did not imo. usually there is some cross discussion amongst us before a thread is locked/moved/deleted so no one's personal bias can take a unilateral action.
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To be clear, I have never asked to have a thread locked and I have never reported another poster.

And I am fine with this thread.

I’m just pointing out that labels and code phrases are a way to express overt and deep political opinions without getting caught. “Feat porn” is one of my favorite examples. A sociologist could unpack all day the amount of politics wrapped up in that phrase. For us laymen the easiest way to understand it is that it starts with a political conclusion and argues backwards. This allows one to impugn motives, character, and ideology because we’ve already accepted a political supposition that by definition can only be rejected by idiots.

You’re absolutely right that some are very good at this game.
 
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Mods have a hard job so I personally can never fault them even if they don’t always get it 100% right. But, yeah, we lost a really good thread.
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These takes always crack me up. It’s like the Internet way of saying “Thank you for your service” when you see a Marine in an airport terminal. This is a message board with a bunch of dudes typing on their phones and keyboards. It ain’t that serious to where anything is considered hard 😂. It’s for people with free time.
“Honey I can’t make young Danny’s game tonight I have to MODERATE the Swarm!” or “Babe we can’t make your grandma’s funeral I have to reply to this person that quoted me and got 6 likes, we HAVE to respond!!” are phrases that have never and will never be spoken. It ain’t that serious.
 
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Milwaukee said:
These takes always crack me up. It’s like the Internet way of saying “Thank you for your service” when you see a Marine in an airport terminal. This is a message board with a bunch of dudes typing on their phones and keyboards. It ain’t that serious to where anything is considered hard 😂. It’s for people with free time.
“Honey I can’t make young Danny’s game tonight I have to MODERATE the Swarm!” or “Babe we can’t make your grandma’s funeral I have to reply to this person that quoted me and got 6 likes, we HAVE to respond!!” are phrases that have never and will never be spoken. It ain’t that serious.
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Interesting take.

Is it serious? No. We’re not talking world peace. Is it hard? Yes. Managing people and doing it consistently well is the hardest job in the world. Do it well on Swarm and you make the site. Do it poorly and after a while no one is happy, members become inactive, eyeballs are lost and the experience is no longer desirable.

But no it’s not serious. At all.
 
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But no it’s not serious. At all.
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Are you kidding me???? This gig is lucrative and is how I make the payments on my yacht, beach home and mountain getaway. I do keep my day job because our benefits package is weak (@John @CuseJacket ). You must think we give the membership fees and all of the advertising revenue to charity or something.;) BTW, do you wanna buy a GT Swarm t-shirt or hat?
 
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Are you kidding me???? This gig is lucrative and is how I make the payments on my yacht, beach home and mountain getaway. I do keep my day job because our benefits package is weak (@John @CuseJacket ). You must think we give the membership fees and all of the advertising revenue to charity or something.;) BTW, do you wanna buy a GT Swarm t-shirt or hat?
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Ooooh, we should print off a run of “Someone was wrong on the internet at GTSwarm.com” t-shirts. Call Adidas!

Maybe we can get the xkcd artist to design ‘em.
 

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Science is not exact and 539,000 dead and 80,000 with permanent heart damage is legitimate cause for caution.
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I completely agree with the overall sentiments you express in your post...the whole country has become tribal and everyone continues to take sides rather than have respectful discussions with each other.

I have highlighted a portion of your post for only two reasons, and that is (1) the whole #science thing got started by the left, and I FULLY agree with you that science is not only inexact, it is BASED on skepticism. The unfortunate result is that when one side goes to an extreme the other side follows the same pattern, and you get two elementary school kids on the playground shouting "but he started it first!" Usually it is difficult to get both sides to agree they have contributed to the problem...

The second reason is that when people cannot agree on facts, it becomes very difficult to have reasonable discussions. Unless people are willing to concede that the full facts are not completely understood. The numbers you quote are used in the media and by places like Johns Hopkins, BUT they have some major flaws which have been discussed over and over again. (Early on they counted any death who coincidentally had covid as opposed to deaths caused by covid, for example. This went on for quite a while before they adjusted the way ti was counted.) I have not seen any reputable source on the 80,000 with permanent heart damage, and honestly question the accuracy of that information.

The other huge problem with those numbers is they fail to take into account the costs to our society of the reactions to covid...the extra deaths caused because cancer screenings were stopped, because mental health sessions were stopped etc etc.The net net of all this is that the actual cost may have been much lower to our society had we chosen less draconian measures. Heck, I have been fully vaccinated but cannot get any heart screening appointments with also producing a negative covid test within 3 days of the appointment. Explain to me how that makes any sense?

I am simply saying that the facts themselves are not yet clear, and to quote those figures without some mention of the uncertainty around them is a bit misleading.

But, thank you for your overall sentiment which is in favor of a respectful and reasoned debate.
 
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I completely agree with the overall sentiments you express in your post...the whole country has become tribal and everyone continues to take sides rather than have respectful discussions with each other.

I have highlighted a portion of your post for only two reasons, and that is (1) the whole #science thing got started by the left, and I FULLY agree with you that science is not only inexact, it is BASED on skepticism. The unfortunate result is that when one side goes to an extreme the other side follows the same pattern, and you get two elementary school kids on the playground shouting "but he started it first!" Usually it is difficult to get both sides to agree they have contributed to the problem...

The second reason is that when people cannot agree on facts, it becomes very difficult to have reasonable discussions. Unless people are willing to concede that the full facts are not completely understood. The numbers you quote are used in the media and by places like Johns Hopkins, BUT they have some major flaws which have been discussed over and over again. (Early on they counted any death who coincidentally had covid as opposed to deaths caused by covid, for example. This went on for quite a while before they adjusted the way ti was counted.) I have not seen any reputable source on the 80,000 with permanent heart damage, and honestly question the accuracy of that information.

The other huge problem with those numbers is they fail to take into account the costs to our society of the reactions to covid...the extra deaths caused because cancer screenings were stopped, because mental health sessions were stopped etc etc.The net net of all this is that the actual cost may have been much lower to our society had we chosen less draconian measures. Heck, I have been fully vaccinated but cannot get any heart screening appointments with also producing a negative covid test within 3 days of the appointment. Explain to me how that makes any sense?

I am simply saying that the facts themselves are not yet clear, and to quote those figures without some mention of the uncertainty around them is a bit misleading.

But, thank you for your overall sentiment which is in favor of a respectful and reasoned debate.
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And thank you.

Let me preface this by saying I don’t know how to link reports with my phone. I don’t know if having a really old phone matters but anyway.

The 80,000 is my guestimate and I tried to be conservative. A US study showed that 50% of those who were hospitalized for Covid, and survived, ended up with permanent heart damage. A similar study in Europe placed the occurrence at 75%.

I purposely did not include other long haul effects such as neurological and lung issues.

But I agree with you that the science isn’t completely understood yet. I perhaps err on the side of caution due to some personal experiences with colleagues I have lost. I hate to think I am just being a nervous nelly 😊. Honestly, the thought of infecting someone else feels me with dread.

I still want to know more about Moses. If I were conspiratorial I might believe he was set up so the NCAA could get their Loyola vs Illinois matchup. I’m not serious. Yet.
 
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