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He and his agent are smart to put this out there. It’s all about leverage for negotiation.Yeah, it seems unlikely given the offset, but he is definitely worthy of consideration.
He and his agent are smart to put this out there. It’s all about leverage for negotiation.Yeah, it seems unlikely given the offset, but he is definitely worthy of consideration.
UVA and VaTech are much worse than the teams we've beaten in the past weeks. Miami is the toughest of those three, but they haven't really shown much and it looks like they are going through the growing pains of a first year head coach. I think its much more of a possibility than one might think.I think we are dreaming that Key will beat Miami, UVA and VaTEch, or whatever to get us to a bowl game ( I am rooting for him, as I did Saturday at the Flats), but if he does, he probably does deserve a shot AND wouldn't he do it the way Dabo did? By taking a lower salary and using the savings for Brent Venebles (joking, but he may be available fr) type assistants on offense, defense and recruiting.
I can 100% guarantee you if Rhule wants to be a college HC next season, he'll have P5 options.
His college coaching resume will have schools lined up just to speak with him.
I like what I have seen of Key, and the players seem to play hard for him.If Key can get to 6-6 (4-3 in his interim term) and we get to a bowl game, I think I could go for him getting the gig.
- This is his dream job. He wouldn't leave us like Curry, Ross and O'Leary did.
- Meaning he could be here for the next 15-20 years if he is successful.
- Will there be some growing pains? Yes. But he's learned under O'Leary and Saban. He has that sort of Ross, O'Leary, Johnson old school mentality.
- Could possibly keep the best of the assistants in place and may not see a huge hit in recruiting and transfers if the players see that what he is doing is successful.
- Could be in the Pat Fitzgerald model at Northwestern. Former player at that school. Loves his school. May have a down year now and then, but isn't going anywhere else and could be a good long term solution.
In the end, if he can finish strong, is he more or less of a risk than someone from the outside who may have good experience, but may need time to get adjusted, bring in new players, lose transfers and recruits, etc.? The more we win, the more I hear him, the more I like it.
Unfortunately, they don't have to show much to beat Tech. We aren't all that good. It's down there and they have better athletes. I think it could be close, but I wouldn't bet against them.UVA and VaTech are much worse than the teams we've beaten in the past weeks. Miami is the toughest of those three, but they haven't really shown much and it looks like they are going through the growing pains of a first year head coach. I think its much more of a possibility than one might think.
I think all this is true and I'd like to believe it. However, I'm afraid that the era of long time coaches is on life support. If Key gets to 6 wins, he's the obvious choice and if we offer him enough, he could stick with Tech long term (8 - 10 years). So let's all cheer loud enough to make that happen. It worked with Tinker Bell; it can work here.If Key can get to 6-6 (4-3 in his interim term) and we get to a bowl game, I think I could go for him getting the gig.
- This is his dream job. He wouldn't leave us like Curry, Ross and O'Leary did.
- Meaning he could be here for the next 15-20 years if he is successful.
- Will there be some growing pains? Yes. But he's learned under O'Leary and Saban. He has that sort of Ross, O'Leary, Johnson old school mentality.
- Could possibly keep the best of the assistants in place and may not see a huge hit in recruiting and transfers if the players see that what he is doing is successful.
- Could be in the Pat Fitzgerald model at Northwestern. Former player at that school. Loves his school. May have a down year now and then, but isn't going anywhere else and could be a good long term solution.
In the end, if he can finish strong, is he more or less of a risk than someone from the outside who may have good experience, but may need time to get adjusted, bring in new players, lose transfers and recruits, etc.? The more we win, the more I hear him, the more I like it.
It’s not as much about Key doing anything amazing as it about Collins doing things that were just silly. Once that was undone, we immediately improved.So, if we get to 6-7 wins, is it because Key did a good job or is it because he's just adequate?
Our talent was never ... never ... as poor as the last guy made us look. So even a decent coach was gonna raise our level.
This is a fair question, imho, and not meant to disparage the improvement Key has brought so far.
What kinds of things should we look for, within the improved play, that help differentiate between 'good coach' and 'better than Collins'? To me, one is an accomplishment and the other just requires one to be able to breathe air.
The talent has been underutilized since Geoff got here and most anybody's "better than Collins", but still the rapidity of the turnaround in attitude has been striking.So, if we get to 6-7 wins, is it because Key did a good job or is it because he's just adequate?
Our talent was never ... never ... as poor as the last guy made us look. So even a decent coach was gonna raise our level.
This is a fair question, imho, and not meant to disparage the improvement Key has brought so far.
What kinds of things should we look for, within the improved play, that help differentiate between 'good coach' and 'better than Collins'? To me, one is an accomplishment and the other just requires one to be able to breathe air.
This is a legit question – and the answer is influenced by the fact that our bar is set soooo low.So, if we get to 6-7 wins, is it because Key did a good job or is it because he's just adequate?
Our talent was never ... never ... as poor as the last guy made us look. So even a decent coach was gonna raise our level.
This is a fair question, imho, and not meant to disparage the improvement Key has brought so far.
What kinds of things should we look for, within the improved play, that help differentiate between 'good coach' and 'better than Collins'? To me, one is an accomplishment and the other just requires one to be able to breathe air.
Miami is at home. You are right, they have the athletes to beat us, but they had the athletes to beat UNC and MTSU. Like I said, UM is having growing pains and it might get worse before it gets better.Unfortunately, they don't have to show much to beat Tech. We aren't all that good. It's down there and they have better athletes. I think it could be close, but I wouldn't bet against them.
But I'll be cheering for the Jackets, of course.
Key has at least demonstrated he has what it takes to be a head coach with preparation and game management (still learning). He has not shown recruiting skills for bringing in competitive talent for an entire team roster yet. I think he can do it well enough but that is an unknown for now. Can he recruit a top 25 class or even a top 30. He has seen the GC recruiting process so he should be able to continue that model plus he has already established relationships with a lot of high school kids interested in GT. Getting 3 more wins would be huge for him. I hope he gets it done.
I’m pulling for Coach Key, but if the Carolina coach is interested, Tech would be stupid not to go after him. He has proven that he is a very good college coach. He will have his pick of jobs.Key has at least demonstrated he has what it takes to be a head coach with preparation and game management (still learning). He has not shown recruiting skills for bringing in competitive talent for an entire team roster yet. I think he can do it well enough but that is an unknown for now. Can he recruit a top 25 class or even a top 30. He has seen the GC recruiting process so he should be able to continue that model plus he has already established relationships with a lot of high school kids interested in GT. Getting 3 more wins would be huge for him. I hope he gets it done.
Tech has ALWAYS looked at coaches in terms of "fit". Urban Meyer would be a great coach, but not a great fit.I’m pulling for Coach Key, but if the Carolina coach is interested, Tech would be stupid not to go after him. He has proven that he is a very good college coach. He will have his pick of jobs.
I would love for Brent Key to win the Coastal and get Tech in the ACC Championship Game. I’m pulling for him, but you know what you have in the Carolina coach. He has won at schools similar to Tech.Tech has ALWAYS looked at coaches in terms of "fit". Urban Meyer would be a great coach, but not a great fit.
I have no idea if Chadwell would work well at Tech or not. But you better believe that Key, as an alum and as the interim coach, has a LOT of equity right now. If he plays his hand well, it's his for the taking. In the Curry days, it's called being the "Tech Man". Norm Van Brocklin said it made him throw up.
I think you are correct. If Nebraska can get this guy, they will. One down.The best thing about Rhule isn’t that he may come here but that he will take someone with deeper pockets out of the market, and move us one spot up.