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i agree. highly unlikely he’s coaching next season
i agree. highly unlikely he’s coaching next season
This is a very fair question and the short answer obviously is that time will tell. It’s very possible that Collins really was so bad that he brought everyone down. I find that hard to believe but wow, the evidence is piling up.So, if we get to 6-7 wins, is it because Key did a good job or is it because he's just adequate?
Our talent was never ... never ... as poor as the last guy made us look. So even a decent coach was gonna raise our level.
This is a fair question, imho, and not meant to disparage the improvement Key has brought so far.
What kinds of things should we look for, within the improved play, that help differentiate between 'good coach' and 'better than Collins'? To me, one is an accomplishment and the other just requires one to be able to breathe air.
The new AD will be in a pickle if Key keeps winning and gets us to bowl-game. If he keeps him and we are bad next year it will be 'what an idiot'! If he brings in his coach and we don't get to a bowl game next year it will be 'what an idiot!' I would say that's why they make the big-bucks, but I'm not sure that's true for ADs.
Same would be true if Key has a good audition but gets passed over and the next guy has a bad year. It's actually easier on him if Key tanks.The new AD will be in a pickle if Key keeps winning and gets us to bowl-game. If he keeps him and we are bad next year it will be 'what an idiot'! If he brings in his coach and we don't get to a bowl game next year it will be 'what an idiot!' I would say that's why they make the big-bucks, but I'm not sure that's true for ADs.
I think you’re right... and somewhat unfairly, Key has a really high bar. I think it’s going to have to be a really compelling scenario to keep him. By that, I mean the people hiring the AD pretty much say “he’s our guy.” There has been plenty of speculation on what W/L gets us to that point, but since we’re hiring an AD to rebuild the football program, I don’t see that person walking in and volunteering that they love the staff we already have in place.... unless he or she is 100% certain that the response will be, “No $#*! Captain Obvious! Get the contract done!”The new AD will be in a pickle if Key keeps winning and gets us to bowl-game. If he keeps him and we are bad next year it will be 'what an idiot'! If he brings in his coach and we don't get to a bowl game next year it will be 'what an idiot!' I would say that's why they make the big-bucks, but I'm not sure that's true for ADs.
The talent has been underutilized since Geoff got here and most anybody's "better than Collins", but still the rapidity of the turnaround in attitude has been striking.
We needed a leader and Brent has proven to be one. I'm sure there are others who could do us well, but the one we've got is getting it done.
It's a big move to fire an entire staff and start over ... again.I think you’re right... and somewhat unfairly, Key has a really high bar. I think it’s going to have to be a really compelling scenario to keep him. By that, I mean the people hiring the AD pretty much say “he’s our guy.” There has been plenty of speculation on what W/L gets us to that point, but since we’re hiring an AD to rebuild the football program, I don’t see that person walking in and volunteering that they love the staff we already have in place.... unless he or she is 100% certain that the response will be, “No $#*! Captain Obvious! Get the contract done!”
I hope Key wins and I hope you’re right. The last AD wasn’t fired for any of those other things you mentioned as I understand it. They’re certainly relevant and certainly need attention... no denying that. I just think the person coming in knows the last guy had the wrong coach. Priorities 1 and 2 are going to be get there right coach and don’t screw up the contract. If the school and the fan base like the current coach (that’s the big “IF” here), then the new AD has cover on one top priority right out of the gate. If we’re not sold on the current coach, I would expect a new AD to live or die with a person of their choosing.It's a big move to fire an entire staff and start over ... again.
The new AD has his hands full raising money, building the new Edge, establishing an NIL program and a vision/direction for the entire athletics program. If Key is even close to having a respectable team this year and next, I suspect the new AD will punt this decision or give him a performance-based contract.
I cannot see us offering an incentive based contract for only a small number (1-2) of years. Either we go all in with Key or we go after Chadwell, BOB, or Mullen. There are too many good options out there for us to play games or do it half arsed.It's a big move to fire an entire staff and start over ... again.
The new AD has his hands full raising money, building the new Edge, establishing an NIL program and a vision/direction for the entire athletics program. If Key is even close to having a respectable team this year and next, I suspect the new AD will punt this decision or give him a performance-based contract.
I don't disagree with your view, but we also do not want to hire someone and set them up to fail. Cabrera mentioned that there is a lot Tech needs to catch up on first (specifically, NIL) and that's not going to happen in 6 months.I hope Key wins and I hope you’re right. The last AD wasn’t fired for any of those other things you mentioned as I understand it. They’re certainly relevant and certainly need attention... no denying that. I just think the person coming in knows the last guy had the wrong coach. Priorities 1 and 2 are going to be get there right coach and don’t screw up the contract. If the school and the fan base like the current coach (that’s the big “IF” here), then the new AD has cover on one top priority right out of the gate. If we’re not sold on the current coach, I would expect a new AD to live or die with a person of their choosing.
You don't have to structure it that way. You can offer a 4 or 5 year contract with minimum win rates to trigger a buyout.I cannot see us offering an incentive based contract for only a small number (1-2) of years. Either we go all in with Key or we go after Chadwell, BOB, or Mullen. There are too many good options out there for us to play games or do it half arsed.
Yes, I get it. Not sure he would accept a contract that was heavily structured with incentives and small buyouts.You don't have to structure it that way. You can offer a 4 or 5 year contract with minimum win rates to trigger a buyout.
Again, I hope you’re right. I hope Key gets us bowling and we move forward with him. I love the idea of it!I don't disagree with your view, but we also do not want to hire someone and set them up to fail. Cabrera mentioned that there is a lot Tech needs to catch up on first (specifically, NIL) and that's not going to happen in 6 months.
It may be more more prudent to ask, what infrastructure do we need to have to compete, how big is the gap, and how long will it take? Then ... talk about Geoff and why he failed and what the outlook for Key might be.
I think a splashy big hire without addressing foundational problems is only going to make things frustrating for all.
There would be no reason to give Key a big guaranteed contract. He has no leverage to negotiate for one.I cannot see us offering an incentive based contract for only a small number (1-2) of years. Either we go all in with Key or we go after Chadwell, BOB, or Mullen. There are too many good options out there for us to play games or do it half arsed.
That’s kind of my feeling too. It has to be a really easy decision to keep Key. Either because he has won unquestionably and improved the program or because other possibilities are exhausted. I hope it’s the former...Yes, I get it. Not sure he would accept a contract that was heavily structured with incentives and small buyouts.
Regardless, your post implies hesitation and indecisiveness on the part of the new AD. I would imagine given the options that either the new AD feels very strong about retaining Key or he moves on to one of the other candidates. The other options are too good to not go all in with either Key or them.
If he does not do well enough to have any leverage, we should consider moving on to another candidate.There would be no reason to give Key a big guaranteed contract. He has no leverage to negotiate for one.