GT signing day update ...

[bobongo]

That is a good point. Also, the rule is that we can only have 85 scholarship players on the roster. The school can also keep a kid on scholarship however they wish if he is not on the roster.

I think we would look at a kid with one or two semesters til graduation, who was not getting any PT, and ask him to concentrate on school at GT's expense (and forego his last year on the team). That would not be a bad deal most marginal players.

That sets my mind at ease. I had a vision of somebody having their scholarship involuntarily yanked. I didn't know about the 85 scholarship limit pertaining only to those on the roster.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

That sets my mind at ease. I had a vision of somebody having their scholarship involuntarily yanked. I didn't know about the 85 scholarship limit pertaining only to those on the roster.

There was an article a few years ago about how many kids are actually on a scholarship at a school. I can't find it anymore despite my darndest effort. But the point was everybody would max at 85 right? No, with medical disqualifications and what-not, schools like Alabama were way over 100...I think they were at 110+...but to be fair I am going from memory and could be off by a bit.

 

[bobongo]

There was an article a few years ago about how many kids are actually on a scholarship at a school. I can't find it anymore despite my darndest effort. But the point was everybody would max at 85 right? No, with medical disqualifications and what-not, schools like Alabama were way over 100...I think they were at 110+...but to be fair I am going from memory and could be off by a bit.

Geez, they must have a lot of money to throw around.

 

[mts315]

Geez, they must have a lot of money to throw around.

I'm not sure how the economics work for Football scholarships and the actual school but it would seem to me that the cost of scholarship is really negligible to the school. Does it really cost the school anything to have that extra kid in a class? The professor is already getting his salary, the dorm room is already built. I understand that there are some costs related to having a kid going to school for free but I don't think it cost the price of full tuition for a normal student, I would actually imagine it is a small fraction of it actually.

 

[Southpaw13]

I'm not sure how the economics work for Football scholarships and the actual school but it would seem to me that the cost of scholarship is really negligible to the school. Does it really cost the school anything to have that extra kid in a class? The professor is already getting his salary, the dorm room is already built. I understand that there are some costs related to having a kid going to school for free but I don't think it cost the price of full tuition for a normal student, I would actually imagine it is a small fraction of it actually.

On a micro scale, I don’t think they would really hurt for one kid being there for free. But in the macro sense, no, it couldn’t work.

 

[bobongo]

I'm not sure how the economics work for Football scholarships and the actual school but it would seem to me that the cost of scholarship is really negligible to the school. Does it really cost the school anything to have that extra kid in a class? The professor is already getting his salary, the dorm room is already built. I understand that there are some costs related to having a kid going to school for free but I don't think it cost the price of full tuition for a normal student, I would actually imagine it is a small fraction of it actually.

But I'm guessing that the athletics department still has to pay the cost of tuition and so forth to the school. Their finances are separate, I think.

 

[orientalnc]

I'm not sure how the economics work for Football scholarships and the actual school but it would seem to me that the cost of scholarship is really negligible to the school. Does it really cost the school anything to have that extra kid in a class? The professor is already getting his salary, the dorm room is already built. I understand that there are some costs related to having a kid going to school for free but I don't think it cost the price of full tuition for a normal student, I would actually imagine it is a small fraction of it actually.

There are opportunity costs with not having a paying student enrolled (assuming the school always enrolls the maximum number they can have). This is especially true relative housing.

 

[AE 87]

The question was raised about how we get down to 85 if we sign more. The most obvious answer is by not granting a fifth year for some guys that are graduating. So, here's a list of our 9 current RS Seniors for 2019-2020:
Omahri Jarrett
Nathan Cottrell
KirVonte Benson
Christian Campbell
David Curry
Tyler Cooksey
Scott Morgan
Brad Morgan
Brentavious Glanton

 

[GoodBuzz]

There was an article a few years ago about how many kids are actually on a scholarship at a school. I can't find it anymore despite my darndest effort. But the point was everybody would max at 85 right? No, with medical disqualifications and what-not, schools like Alabama were way over 100...I think they were at 110+...but to be fair I am going from memory and could be off by a bit.

I would love to see these updated stats as well. There are probably some expected correlations between the numbers and the conference.

 

[Animal02]

I have a question. Suppose (even if it's highly unlikely) we don't have attrition equal to the oversigning. What then? I mean, what happens in that case? I'm not at all being negative about oversigning - I'm just asking what is the procedure we follow if attrition isn't want we expect. Would somebody have to lose a scholarship, or what?

I asked the exact same question on another thread.....and was told that since the HC is making millions, that would NEVER happen.

 

[iceeater1969]

The question was raised about how we get down to 85 if we sign more. The most obvious answer is by not granting a fifth year for some guys that are graduating. So, here's a list of our 9 current RS Seniors for 2019-2020:
Omahri Jarrett
Nathan Cottrell
KirVonte Benson
Christian Campbell
David Curry
Tyler Cooksey
Scott Morgan
Brad Morgan
Brentavious Glanton

That's one solution.


Before any one dives in on this solution and begins to discuss, isnt it your responsibility to list other solutions?
Most of the ones listed have played many down .
How close to graduating are other players that have little pt and very little prospect of pt. Are there nagging injuries holding back some of them .


Also why have a debate on details till we find out how over we are and when is the dead line.

Could u give us the numbers ? Before we dig into it.

Seems like a good thread after spring training.

Sure had a bunch leave for wired reason like becoming a cartoonist. Join Nascar, go to northwestern, james madison, or just leave. Hey we had our best player leave.

Right now we have 18 3 star commits signed at .average rating . 856 rating.

I notice on recruiting we could flip a 4 star w a .895 rating. He is a top 30 -40 state of ga player and brother of a player on team. We could get a couple more.

 

[dressedcheeseside]

If anybody is banged up all the time and unsure about playing, they can be medically disqualified yet still maintain their full scholarship. There’s a lot of options.

The ol' Saben hangnail scholly.

 

[Southpaw13]

I know there are a lot of opinions on the subject of 'processing' a player... i.e. removing their scholarship between cycles to open up spots for another player. I dont' think it's right in their early years... but... if the player is in line to graduate and the school fulfills their commitment in helping that player get their degree, I don't think the program is obligated to grant them a 5th year scholarship. I don't think it's wrong to sit a player in that situation down, explain to them that they likely won't be in the 2-deep, you're proud of them for all their hard work and glad they are going to get their degree, but that for the following season it's best for the team to give them the freedom to either a.) start life beyond college (get a job), or b.) if they wish to keep playing, enter the transfer portal and find another school to play their final year. The coach could even offer to make phone calls and try to help them find a spot if they wish to keep playing. I just don't think it's the schools responsibility after meeting the stipulation of providing a scholarship long enough to graduate. Isn't graduating the real point of all this?

 

[GTHomer]

I know there are a lot of opinions on the subject of 'processing' a player... i.e. removing their scholarship between cycles to open up spots for another player. I dont' think it's right in their early years... but... if the player is in line to graduate and the school fulfills their commitment in helping that player get their degree, I don't think the program is obligated to grant them a 5th year scholarship. I don't think it's wrong to sit a player in that situation down, explain to them that they likely won't be in the 2-deep, you're proud of them for all their hard work and glad they are going to get their degree, but that for the following season it's best for the team to give them the freedom to either a.) start life beyond college (get a job), or b.) if they wish to keep playing, enter the transfer portal and find another school to play their final year. The coach could even offer to make phone calls and try to help them find a spot if they wish to keep playing. I just don't think it's the schools responsibility after meeting the stipulation of providing a scholarship long enough to graduate. Isn't graduating the real point of all this?

Are you saying that if the player redshirted by request of the coach then in year 5 isn't in the two deep lineup, the coach should have the ability to decline granting the scholarship in year 5? Just trying to understand your point.

 

[Southpaw13]

Are you saying that if the player redshirted by request of the coach then in year 5 isn't in the two deep lineup, the coach should have the ability to decline granting the scholarship in year 5? Just trying to understand your point.

100%... with the assumption that the player has earned his degree while under scholarship. Under no circumstances should the coach leave a player 1 semester short of graduating... but I see the coach/school's responsibility to be to help that player get their degree. Once that requirement has been met, I don't think the coach is obligated to continue offering a scholarship.

 

[B Lifsey]

Are you saying that if the player redshirted by request of the coach then in year 5 isn't in the two deep lineup, the coach should have the ability to decline granting the scholarship in year 5? Just trying to understand your point.

In reading @Southpaw13 comment, I believe you need to add "and has graduated." If the school has honored scholarship through S-A earning degree, should the school owe them a second degree or start at grad school? The scholarship is (or should be) to assist S-A in obtaining an education, not play a sport for 4 seasons.

EDIT - @Southpaw13 replied faster than I did!

 

[AE 87]

That's one solution.


Before any one dives in on this solution and begins to discuss, isnt it your responsibility to list other solutions?
Most of the ones listed have played many down .
How close to graduating are other players that have little pt and very little prospect of pt. Are there nagging injuries holding back some of them .


Also why have a debate on details till we find out how over we are and when is the dead line.

Could u give us the numbers ? Before we dig into it.

Seems like a good thread after spring training.

Sure had a bunch leave for wired reason like becoming a cartoonist. Join Nascar, go to northwestern, james madison, or just leave. Hey we had our best player leave.

Right now we have 18 3 star commits signed at .average rating . 856 rating.

I notice on recruiting we could flip a 4 star w a .895 rating. He is a top 30 -40 state of ga player and brother of a player on team. We could get a couple more.

People were already discussing it. I appreciate that some people like to discuss things in the abstract. I prefer that if you are going to speak in favor of signing beyond the limit, then you should be willing to discuss the what-if of not losing an equal number by natural attrition.

I appreciate that you don't agree.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

The question was raised about how we get down to 85 if we sign more. The most obvious answer is by not granting a fifth year for some guys that are graduating. So, here's a list of our 9 current RS Seniors for 2019-2020:
Omahri Jarrett
Nathan Cottrell
KirVonte Benson
Christian Campbell
David Curry
Tyler Cooksey
Scott Morgan
Brad Morgan
Brentavious Glanton

All these guys look to be contributors on the field next year.....

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

I know there are a lot of opinions on the subject of 'processing' a player... i.e. removing their scholarship between cycles to open up spots for another player. I dont' think it's right in their early years... but... if the player is in line to graduate and the school fulfills their commitment in helping that player get their degree, I don't think the program is obligated to grant them a 5th year scholarship. I don't think it's wrong to sit a player in that situation down, explain to them that they likely won't be in the 2-deep, you're proud of them for all their hard work and glad they are going to get their degree, but that for the following season it's best for the team to give them the freedom to either a.) start life beyond college (get a job), or b.) if they wish to keep playing, enter the transfer portal and find another school to play their final year. The coach could even offer to make phone calls and try to help them find a spot if they wish to keep playing. I just don't think it's the schools responsibility after meeting the stipulation of providing a scholarship long enough to graduate. Isn't graduating the real point of all this?

You could have saved a lot of words by simply stating “I’m okay with players getting processed.”

 

[YJMD]

The question was raised about how we get down to 85 if we sign more. The most obvious answer is by not granting a fifth year for some guys that are graduating. So, here's a list of our 9 current RS Seniors for 2019-2020:
Omahri Jarrett
Nathan Cottrell
KirVonte Benson
Christian Campbell
David Curry
Tyler Cooksey
Scott Morgan
Brad Morgan
Brentavious Glanton

I'm sure transfers are going to happen as well. All those guys are either significant contributors already and/or at a position without much quality depth. Jarrett is the exception although we don't know what position he might fit moving forward. Personally I wouldn't like not renewing someone's scholly even if they've graduated and don't contribute on the field if they want to be part of the team and have eligibility remaining. But I can see us helping some guys find places elsewhere if they aren't likely to play and want a different situation.