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dressedcheeseside said:
I want a guy who can break tackles and drag defenders running inside. Only 1 has proven that ability. If one of our little guys is running inside, he better know how to get down. That's not what I want running inside.
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We have to run inside some to keep the defense honest. Even if we aren't that successful, we have to call it some. The fact that once in a while we break for 8 or ten yards is just a bonus.
 

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Whiskey_Clear said:
Does that % matter as much as passing TDs, passing yards per time, first down passes? They all factor imo. Can't take one stat and disregard the rest.
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Yes. And that is not the point of our scheme; its not made for high comp percentage. We simply will never look prolific passing it. But who cares. We score and are really good on O.
 
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AE 87 said:
Yeah, we've been ranked near the top many/most years in yards/attempt. Our passing attack is like shooting 3's in basketball. You're going to have a lower % but higher payoff.
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True. We don't have the 2yd dump passes that rise guys' completion percentages artificially.
 

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Techster said:
One thing to keep in mind about MJ and running all those midlines and QB follows: Against VT, CPJ knew MJ was not going to play all season. He could run all those between the tackles plays with MJ because he didn't need to "save" him. I doubt CPJ is going to run a QB into the ground all season. No QB would last long.

As for LJ and his "will"...the guy knew what he signed up for. He said it when he committed. He came here to run the triple option offense. QBs in our offense take hits, and he signed up for it. It wasn't like Vad who from day one said CPJ would change the offense and pass more eventually. Notice none of our QB signees and commits ever bring that up anymore?

JeT took us to an ACC Championship game, an Orange Bowl win, won 9 games and 11 games. He did it without even a light dose of between the tackles running. I LOVE midlines as much as the next guy, but let's not oversell the play's importance to our success.
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otoh--with a midline you don't pitch,the chance for a fumble goes down A LOT seemingly--if we can do it with inside game,do it
 

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Techster said:
As for LJ and his "will"...the guy knew what he signed up for. He said it when he committed. He came here to run the triple option offense. QBs in our offense take hits, and he signed up for it. It wasn't like Vad who from day one said CPJ would change the offense and pass more eventually. Notice none of our QB signees and commits ever bring that up anymore?
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I agree with this. With Vad, we promised we'd change things to suit his skillset, and we tried but failed. LJ had no such promise. He could have gone to SDSU, but looking at his highlights for the life of me I don't understand why some PAC school wasn't all over him. My biggest concern for him in our O is his bulk. Can he take the hits full time? Otherwise, some have commented that he runs the offense slower. I think that's OK. If he can make the mesh read quickly, he can string it out on the edge a bit more and not hurt us. Defenders will commit and we can set up our blocking. We've seen that if he makes a cut upfield and can get there in a hurry.
 

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ilovetheoption said:
So...perhaps this will make me persona non grata here...but I never thought JT was a great passer. Like, he was adequate, for sure, but I never thought he was anything special. He was good enough to keep defenses honest, which is really all you NEED, but it wasn't like he struck fear into your hearts with his arm or anything.
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you are right,he was "good enough" but check and see how many guys he hit "-in-stride", not that many really
oddly it helped us a bit by not scoring quickly sometimes as it kept our def off the field while we went back to running and killing the clock
 
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JT, at times, would underthrow a WR streaking downfield. Hitting in stride would of course be preferred. But I prefer slight underthrows to slight overthrows. A WR can adjust to the former and still have a good chance to make a big play, not so much with regards to the latter.

In other words, I think some of those underthrows were hedges by design.
 
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ilovetheoption said:
So...perhaps this will make me persona non grata here...but I never thought JT was a great passer. Like, he was adequate, for sure, but I never thought he was anything special. He was good enough to keep defenses honest, which is really all you NEED, but it wasn't like he struck fear into your hearts with his arm or anything.
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JT could make the throws and had the timing and the arm to complete intermediate routes effectively. His back shoulder throws to Smelter and Waller were outstanding. He was the first QB in CPJ's tenure that I didn't feel miserable in 3rd-long. I knew we had a real enough of a threat passing to keep the D honest if we wanted to try our luck on the ground, but the passing efficiency to cover ground through the air if needed.

I agree he didn't have the accuracy or vision (though his height greatly inhibited him) to be an elite college QB in the traditional sense, but he bailed us out with his arm dozens of times.
 
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potatohead said:
JT could make the throws and had the timing and the arm to complete intermediate routes effectively. His back shoulder throws to Smelter and Waller were outstanding. He was the first QB in CPJ's tenure that I didn't feel miserable in 3rd-long. I knew we had a real enough of a threat passing to keep the D honest if we wanted to try our luck on the ground, but the passing efficiency to cover ground through the air if needed.

I agree he didn't have the accuracy or vision (though his height greatly inhibited him) to be an elite college QB in the traditional sense, but he bailed us out with his arm dozens of times.
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Hell, I felt comfortable with him in 4th & 15 :)
 

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Whiskey_Clear said:
JT, at times, would underthrow a WR streaking downfield. Hitting in stride would of course be preferred. But I prefer slight underthrows to slight overthrows. A WR can adjust to the former and still have a good chance to make a big play, not so much with regards to the latter.

In other words, I think some of those underthrows were hedges by design.
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100% this. Your last line is EXACTLY how coaches teach, especially at the youth levels
 
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All this talk about passing and what is a good passer in our offense, at times, is very short sighted. First of all, in a traditional offense, if you remove all of the passes completed within 3 yards of the LOS or behind it, what percentage of completion would the "good" passers have? If you think over 50%, you will be wrong in the vast majority of cases. Our "sure thing" throws mostly come in form of pitches and tosses in the run game, so, we are left with downfield throws going for chunks of yardage with which to build a percentage.

JT didn't always see the whole field like a 6'-3'' statue QB, but if he saw where he was going with the ball, he was pretty darned accurate. We should all stop just a minute and thank JT for all the excitement he provided us through the air. He was one very good passer, especially built for this offense. If you are going to pick him apart, then complain about botched throw aways along the sideline, or failing to see the open AB along the seam. However, please do not complain about arm strength or accuracy. If you do, then you will simply come off as someone far less knowledgeable than you should be. Additionally, his ability to throw on the run was far above his peer group, not even close. He kept plays alive and kept his eyes down field, very often stopping on a dime and delivering a drive saving strike.

If we had a QB with 60+ completion percentage for a season or career, I would be happy as a clam. But that is just not realistic. Go to ave yards per attempt or completion and then look across the CFB landscape. That will make things a lot more clear for you. We really don't have a peer in those stats for a very good reason. At this point, we should all be praying, and I mean praying, that we find another QB out of this group that throws as well as JT. I feel SURE, pretty much each of the candidates will provide as much help on the ground, even if it does change flavors a little bit. However, I am just HOPING we find one of the four that throws as well.
 
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Sounds like Cooper is looking really good as well! As much as everyone wants to hear about the quarterback situation I'm more concerned about hearing about how our unsung guys are doing. If the o-line is great it'll make anyone behind them look amazing.
 
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