Coronavirus Thread

[Milwaukee]

As someone who is still pretty fresh off of being positive for COVID and experiencing, at times, some pretty rough periods with it, I do credit my fitness and nutrition as the main things that helped me get through with it. I’ve been a competitive athlete in some form or fashion since childhood. As an adult (18 yo and on), I’ve been a competitive cross country runner, trained as a bodybuilder, then moved to competitive powerlifting and been doing that all the way to current age of 42 (competition has been put on hold, but still train as such). Nutrition and being active are a daily essential for me, and even during the week that my symptoms were at their height, I still made sure I did at least an hour of high level cardio, and even my lifting if energy levels allowed. It may be silly, but I’ve always attempted to still get my heart rate up and hit my workouts no matter how sick I get...I’ve also had swine flu in the past...very compromised immune system from pre-existing conditions...I catch everything. But rarely does anything truly take me out of my routine, and I personally attribute that to my philosophy of “keep moving, and picking up heavy s***”

You are much tougher than I am, sir. When I get even a bad cold I lay in bed for days whining and eating soup and crackers with Sprite Zero. No way I could work out like you did.

 

[TechPreacher]

Let's make this clear so people can digest your responses: You make a statement, offer no refuteable proof outside of your own opinion, and we're suppose to believe it?

OK.

I told you why. Go look it up yourself.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Dr Fauci said that tens of thousands of people are dying and will be dying of cancer over the next few years *more than notmal* because they aren’t getting their regular screenings, not getting their treatments and so on. Same with strokes and heart attacks - significantly fewer people are going to the doctor and emergency room with those symptoms now. Shootings are up 30%-50% in most of the major cities. These are all deaths adding to the “excess deaths”. None of these are people dying of COVID. We do not have thousands and thousands of people dying of COVID not in the official count like they do in many other countries. Our hospitals are in great shape. Even the ones that are full are not turning people away.

 

[LibertyTurns]

Dr Fauci said that tens of thousands of people are dying and will be dying of cancer over the next few years *more than notmal* because they aren’t getting their regular screenings, not getting their treatments and so on. Same with strokes and heart attacks - significantly fewer people are going to the doctor and emergency room with those symptoms now. Shootings are up 30%-50% in most of the major cities. These are all deaths adding to the “excess deaths”. None of these are people dying of COVID. We do not have thousands and thousands of people dying of COVID not in the official count like they do in many other countries. Our hospitals are in great shape. Even the ones that are full are not turning people away.

Some people can’t process information past first order effects if that. It’s hard for them to assess & determine cause/effect without hard evidence to support their theories. Tough road to hoe for them. It has been pretty clear what the outcome was going to be from some of our Governor’s responses & the data is backing it up, just not the narrow headline news that’s being puked all over the place that people take as consensus.

 

[684Bee]

As someone who is still pretty fresh off of being positive for COVID and experiencing, at times, some pretty rough periods with it, I do credit my fitness and nutrition as the main things that helped me get through with it. I’ve been a competitive athlete in some form or fashion since childhood. As an adult (18 yo and on), I’ve been a competitive cross country runner, trained as a bodybuilder, then moved to competitive powerlifting and been doing that all the way to current age of 42 (competition has been put on hold, but still train as such). Nutrition and being active are a daily essential for me, and even during the week that my symptoms were at their height, I still made sure I did at least an hour of high level cardio, and even my lifting if energy levels allowed. It may be silly, but I’ve always attempted to still get my heart rate up and hit my workouts no matter how sick I get...I’ve also had swine flu in the past...very compromised immune system from pre-existing conditions...I catch everything. But rarely does anything truly take me out of my routine, and I personally attribute that to my philosophy of “keep moving, and picking up heavy s***”

Good stuff. Keep pushing forward.

 

[BeachBuzz]

27,000 Coronavirus-Linked Deaths Have Gone Uncounted in U.S., Study Estimates

MSN

From the article:
Counting excess deaths—defined as deaths above the baseline seen in previous years during the same time period—from all causes is often considered a more accurate way to measure the fatal impact of a newly emerged and widespread disease, since the official toll can miss people who weren’t diagnosed before they died. Initially, doctors and scientists can have trouble identifying or confirming deaths caused by a new disease, either due to a lack of familiarity with its symptoms, no available tests to confirm a diagnosis, or simply because the disease wasn’t known to exist in that area at the time.

Scientists did quickly create a relatively accurate test for the coronavirus that causes covid-19 after its discovery in China late last year. But the U.S. federal government’s delayed and flawed response left states without testing readily available for months once the pandemic started to pick up steam in March. The lack of testing also hindered attempts to recognize and contain the earliest outbreaks in states like New York and Washington, which further enabled its spread. It’s now thought that the virus was circulating locally in the U.S. as early as January.

In this new study, published in JAMA Internal Medicine, researchers tried to calculate excess deaths across the country from March 1 to May 30.

Between those months, 95,235 deaths were officially attributed to covid-19 in most of the U.S. But the authors calculated, based on comparing deaths this year to other recent years, that there were likely 122,300 excess deaths during that time, about 28% higher than the official count of covid-19 deaths. That leaves about 27,000 deaths above the normal March-May baseline in the U.S., which suggests the virus has killed many more people than the official count says.

It's funny to me that people that think things are undercounted point to studies and theories without any concrete proof. However,on the other side, I see stories like this almost every day:

https://cbs12.com/news/local/uncove..._uX0HkTeRQU1nZiAiiSTIgoqDnootvIf-WfWl1D48hLa8

 

[Milwaukee]

 

[Milwaukee]

 

[GT_EE78]

>Not everyone is going to find the article in that tweet,so here's a summary,exerpt and link.
TUCSON – Additional evidence has been submitted to a federal court by the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons as part of its lawsuit the Food & Drug Administration and the Department of Health & Human Services for interfering with the delivery of hydroxychloroquine for treatment of COVID-19.
" The mortality rate from COVID-19 in countries that allow access to HCQ is only one-tenth the mortality rate in countries where there is interference with this medication, such as the United States,” explained Andrew Schlafly.

Physicians Offer Evidence In Support Of Hydroxychloroquine In New Court Filing

TUCSON - Additional evidence has been submitted to a federal court by the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons as part of its lawsuit the Food & Drug Administration and the Department of Health & Human Services for interfering with the delivery of hydroxychloroquine for treatment of...

arizonadailyindependent.com

 

[ncjacket79]

I started taking them daily 3 months ago when the data showed over 96% of the victims had extremely low levels of vit D and/or zinc.
Another thing our doctors/politicians should be ashamed of is NOBODY has said a damn word about how to fight this thing in a long term capacity like getting and staying healthy. Lose weight, eat healthy, stop pounding alcohol, get tons of daylight/vitD, workout, etc. to boost your overall health, that’s how your immune system swats this thing away like a fly. But I’ve said months ago VitD and zinc literally are the key to preventing this thing. It’s a little more complicated than that as the Zithromax and hydroxychloroquine (or something) are going to be needed for compromised patients that already have it.

I should write a book, I may be the smartest person in the world.

So you’re saying you haven’t seen anyone saying that? I’d say it’s pretty much everywhere, especially getting weight under control and reducing drinking.

 

[684Bee]

It's funny to me that people that think things are undercounted point to studies and theories without any concrete proof. However,on the other side, I see stories like this almost every day:

https://cbs12.com/news/local/uncove..._uX0HkTeRQU1nZiAiiSTIgoqDnootvIf-WfWl1D48hLa8

Naw, man, we’re just tin foil hat conspiracy theorists, according to our more enlightened brethren on here.

 

[ncjacket79]

>Not everyone is going to find the article in that tweet,so here's a summary,exerpt and link.
TUCSON – Additional evidence has been submitted to a federal court by the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons as part of its lawsuit the Food & Drug Administration and the Department of Health & Human Services for interfering with the delivery of hydroxychloroquine for treatment of COVID-19.
" The mortality rate from COVID-19 in countries that allow access to HCQ is only one-tenth the mortality rate in countries where there is interference with this medication, such as the United States,” explained Andrew Schlafly.

Physicians Offer Evidence In Support Of Hydroxychloroquine In New Court Filing

TUCSON - Additional evidence has been submitted to a federal court by the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons as part of its lawsuit the Food & Drug Administration and the Department of Health & Human Services for interfering with the delivery of hydroxychloroquine for treatment of...

arizonadailyindependent.com

You do realize this group also claims HIV does cause AIDS right? Personally I don’t claim to know how effective HCQ is not have seen studies that seem to show it’s use may mean remdisivir won’t be effective later in a course of treatment. But I wouldn’t put muc stock in whatever AAPS claims without a lot of other evidence.

 

[bobongo]

It's funny to me that people that think things are undercounted point to studies and theories without any concrete proof. However,on the other side, I see stories like this almost every day:

https://cbs12.com/news/local/uncove..._uX0HkTeRQU1nZiAiiSTIgoqDnootvIf-WfWl1D48hLa8

There's some miscounting on both sides. But one or two cases of misdiagnosis of COVID does not make a pattern, and is not statistically significant. It makes sense that studies of past death rates compared to current rates can shed light on whether the count is under or over. Extrapolation of such data is a perfectly sound scientific method of statistical analysis, even if imperfect. Note that the studies I posted a link to also gave weight to the fact that some deaths other than COVID may have been caused by people not going to the doctor for treatment because of possible COVID infection. As far as "concrete proof", that is impossible unless people are actually dug up and analyzed, so that's the reason for the statistical analysis.

 

[bobongo]

Naw, man, we’re just tin foil hat conspiracy theorists, according to our more enlightened brethren on here.

Enlightened brethren depend on science, and scientific methods such as statistical analyses. Unenlightened brethren depend on anecdotal evidence.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

Enlightened brethren depend on science, and scientific methods such as statistical analyses. Unenlightened brethren depend on anecdotal evidence.

So it is "enlightened brethren" who depend on "science and scientific methods" who claim that it is possible to change one's gender? So biology and anatomy and genetics are no longer science, huh?

 

[bobongo]

So it is "enlightened brethren" who depend on "science and scientific methods" who claim that it is possible to change one's gender? So biology and anatomy and genetics are no longer science, huh?

Wha??? You can wander in from left field any time you like...

 

[TooTall]

dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report

Death rate down to 2% in Ga.

But I know you guys want me to wait two weeks but, two weeks ago when you said that, it was at 2.4%. So..................

 

[BeachBuzz]

There's some miscounting on both sides. But one or two cases of misdiagnosis of COVID does not make a pattern, and is not statistically significant. It makes sense that studies of past death rates compared to current rates can shed light on whether the count is under or over. Extrapolation of such data is a perfectly sound scientific method of statistical analysis, even if imperfect. Note that the studies I posted a link to also gave weight to the fact that some deaths other than COVID may have been caused by people not going to the doctor for treatment because of possible COVID infection. As far as "concrete proof", that is impossible unless people are actually dug up and analyzed, so that's the reason for the statistical analysis.

It's not impossible. If there was a statistically large number of people that haven't been counted, some family member or someone would have at least pointed out one. Maybe they have and I haven't seen it but so far no one has as far as I know. I think the numbers are fairly accurate right now because I am guessing that there are a few on each side that weren't counted correctly. There is nothing scientific about assuming excess deaths are Covid deaths. Someone many pages back pointed out that we have had excess deaths pretty much every year for a while now meaning the baseline number of expected deaths may be flawed.

 

[GT_EE78]

> It's great that the conspiracy theory attacking HCQ was so thoroughly debunked by that peer-reviewed double blind clinical trial a few weeks ago.(super provided a link) We are still at tip of iceberg to get it out. It's primary usefulness is before one is hospitalized which the FDA doesn't allow now (except for off-label use which is widespread bur rarely reported). Did you think the FDA was going to let you get well for $20 when Gilead-etal will eventually be able to do the same thing for $5,000 ?
> two videos at link
1-(left) Yesterday's capital Hill Speech, hosted by the organization America’s Frontline Doctors, a group founded by Dr. Simone Gold, a board-certified physician and attorney, and made up of medical doctors, came together to address what the group calls a “massive disinformation campaign” about the coronavirus. (about 45 min)
2- (right) 3 hr vid,i haven't watched it all yet.
explanation of how HCQ works runs from about 3 min to 15 min mark.

Home | America's Frontline Doctors

Meet America's Premier Civil Liberties Organization. America's Frontline Doctors wants to Fight for Your Medical Freedom.

www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com

 

[MWBATL]

I’m just glad I’m not as paranoid as you. The pendulum always swings too far but it will swing back. We will be different, hopefully in ways that are beneficial, but we will not be marxist or communist or a true socialist state.

I am old enough to remember people saying essentially the same stuff back in the 1980's...."don't worry", they told me, "they'll never legalize gay marriage". (NB-you can substitute any number of other "progressive" changes instead of gay marriage, which in fact does not offend me in the least...but is simply used as a sign of the fact that these things DO happen.)

Perhaps you are younger and less....experienced.