Coronavirus Thread

[Deleted member 2897]

AJC article headline today: UGA student: Too many of my peers couldn't care less if grandma dies for the sake of shotgunned Bud Light.

In fairness, this is the disposition of a significant number of people in their 30s or younger for the last month. (And some on this board.)

 

[LibertyTurns]

Kind of hard to spin this in a positive way .....


There are a lot more death certificates to come in this is only death certificates recorded through the week ending on the 4th of July. "Hold my beer" effect from the holiday? (Have to end this well since death is so final. Talked to one friend who had corona virus today. After 3 weeks out of hospital he expects 2-3 months till he regains full stamina.)


If you can watch that without LMFAO off, I'm sorry.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

The truth about the origins of the virus ?

https://www.nationalreview.com/corn...-about-the-contagiousness-of-the-coronavirus/

 

[LibertyTurns]

@GTNavyNuke Damn somehow I ended up hitting the reply button. Not typing it out again but out of 12 positive cases at work & another 73 quarantinees, we don’t have anyone that’s taken more than 48-72 to fully recover. They had to sit out 14 days, but 100% were ready to return to work full speed with no issues/lingering effects.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Here is a good example of panic porn:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/south-carolinas-coronavirus-outbreak-is-worse-than-most-countries

The title is just straight up false “SC is worse than NY”. It’s a quote from someone who says IF THIS CONTINUES, it will be worse than NY IN THEIR OPINION. But then you read in the article the hospitals are only 75% full. It says there was a 20% increase in 1 day...but fails to also say thats part of the normal in-week cycle and the numbers have been flat for 10 days. It references a boat parade and motorcycle gathering, without also adding context that by nature all of these people are extremely socially distanced and outdoors.

Himarious.

 

[RonJohn]

It references a boat parade and motorcycle gathering, without also adding context that by nature all of these people are extremely socially distanced and outdoors.

That is a lot like the statements I have been making for a good while. If I am in a boat with my family, you are in a boat with your family, and 150 other families are in boats, and we all form a single file parade on the ocean what danger is there of infecting each other? Now if we have a dance party in a local gym immediately after the boat parade, that would be a different story. Too many people are either treating the boat parade as a close contact dance party or a close contact dance party as a separated boat parade when they argue about the dangers of the virus.

 

[dtm1997]

 

[iopjacket]

AJC article headline today: UGA student: Too many of my peers couldn't care less if grandma dies for the sake of shotgunned Bud Light.

If I was grandma, I would cut that bugger out of the will.

 

[iopjacket]

Kind of hard to spin this in a positive way .....

Anyway, some facts from the CDC. Below is the weekly death count from all causes and COVID. As of today (10 July), the reported death rate (@bwelbo know these are only filed and official death certificates) started to tick up (6.3%) in the week ending the 4th of July. You can see the downward death trend (CDC data).
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There are a lot more death certificates to come in this is only death certificates recorded through the bureaucracy as of today. And we'll see if the COVID deaths as a % of total continues to climb in later weeks. I expect it will given the infection rates but may not hit the previous 15% peak due to better treatment protocols since we are more experienced in treating this thing.

One really interesting non-Covid thing is look at the average previous number of deaths for the week ending on the 4th of July. "Hold my beer" effect from the holiday? (Have to end this well since death is so final. Talked to one friend who had corona virus today. After 3 weeks out of hospital he expects 2-3 months till he regains full stamina.)


If you can watch that without LMFAO off, I'm sorry.

Looking at the difference between the past average death rates in an area versus current death rates is a good way to determine the actual COVID-19 death toll. Most locations under report COVID-19 deaths but some over report.

 

[iopjacket]

Here is a good example of panic porn:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/south-carolinas-coronavirus-outbreak-is-worse-than-most-countries

The title is just straight up false “SC is worse than NY”. It’s a quote from someone who says IF THIS CONTINUES, it will be worse than NY IN THEIR OPINION. But then you read in the article the hospitals are only 75% full. It says there was a 20% increase in 1 day...but fails to also say thats part of the normal in-week cycle and the numbers have been flat for 10 days. It references a boat parade and motorcycle gathering, without also adding context that by nature all of these people are extremely socially distanced and outdoors.

Himarious.

With a name like thedailybeast you know you are getting news that you can trust.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

Said again and again for clarity by state and local governments and the CDC. This is why it’s important to track those in the COVID ICU and those on ventilators. Those numbers are bad and getting worse. But there isn’t any good reason to spread false information and panic porn.

This is the opposite of the U.K., France, Spain, Italy, Brazil and the list goes on forever of those who state publicly there were collectively tens and tens and tens and tens and tens of thousands of people who died at home uncounted due to full hospitals. Those who compare the US to other countries are using the best data available, but it has to be kept in context.

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[LibertyTurns]

With a name like thedailybeast you know you are getting news that you can trust.

This is a huge issue. We’ve gotten accustomed to politicians lying to us, our government lying to us, then the media backing them up and squashing anyone trying to get the truth out. There’s few if any reliable news sources & people have to spend a great deal of time hunting for the truth.

 

[684Bee]

KLB tested positive (she wasn’t wearing a mask when I saw her around groups of people recently before the positive test), so now everyone must wear a mask.

 

[dtm1997]

KLB tested positive (she wasn’t wearing a mask when I saw her around groups of people recently before the positive test), so now everyone must wear a mask.

 

[684Bee]

I don’t disagree with the principle of wearing a mask. What I don’t like is the hypocrisy of these politicians. Look at her own behavior and the timing. Do as I say, not as I do. Sorry leadership.

 

[dtm1997]

I don’t disagree with the principle of wearing a mask. What I don’t like is the hypocrisy of these politicians. Look at her own behavior and the timing. Do as I say, not as I do. Sorry leadership.

There seems to be no short supply of poor leadership all over the U.S. at every level. In the words of @bwelbo, IIWII.

 

[Deleted member 2897]

There seems to be no short supply of poor leadership all over the U.S. at every level. In the words of @bwelbo, IIWII.

Just to give you one simple example - why can our leaders and/or health experts in a press conference not use slides and walk through the various studies that show the science behind how masks work and why we need to all wear them right now when we're around other people? Bring in people from different perspectives and ages and so on to vouch for that material. The utter and complete ignorance I see on social media on the local news' sites and what-nots (on both sides) is just really sad.

 

[MWBATL]

This is a huge issue. We’ve gotten accustomed to politicians lying to us, our government lying to us, then the media backing them up and squashing anyone trying to get the truth out. There’s few if any reliable news sources & people have to spend a great deal of time hunting for the truth.

This is one of the most noticeable differences I have observed over my lifetime of nearly 70 years...this and the constant leftward drift of society, which as nearly as I can tell, has done absolutely nothing to improve happiness amongst the average American.

 

[RamblinRed]

These are two really good articles on re-opening schools. Very nuanced.
https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...pandemic-expert-analysis-politics-2020-355466

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...5fb3e6-c122-11ea-8908-68a2b9eae9e0_story.html

Both are pro-reopening (as am I, unlike my SWMBO), but both talk in nuanced terms about how you go about that and at different levels of schooling.
In general, unless there is a large outbreak in a community re-opening elementary schools shouldn't be a big problem. Now if a community has a large outbreak going on, then opening the elementary school makes less sense as it is simply one more interior building where people interact.
High schools are a more complicated matter as teenagers tend to be more contagious and there have been cases worldwide of outbreaks that involved HS level kids. This is a level where you may have to be more creative and in some places you may not be able to have them in person if outbreaks are bad enough.

It is also suggested that bubble routines may be one of the most effective mitigation measures for schools. Keeping kids in small pods or in some cases larger pods (they talk about as few as 6 in some cases, in the hundreds for others). This allows you to more effectively handle outbreaks without having to close the schools. You just end up quarantining bods with outbreaks if they occur.

The biggest issue facing the US right now as far as re-opening is we are simply at a much worse place than various European countries were when they started to re-open. Their cases per capita were a fraction of where the US is right now. They tended to open with various measures in place and then modified them as they figured out what was truly a potential issue and what isn't. That's the kind of thinking we need in the US right now so we can re-open our schools without increasing the risk of spread significantly.

 

[slugboy]

These are two really good articles on re-opening schools. Very nuanced.
https://www.politico.com/news/magaz...pandemic-expert-analysis-politics-2020-355466

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...5fb3e6-c122-11ea-8908-68a2b9eae9e0_story.html

Both are pro-reopening (as am I, unlike my SWMBO), but both talk in nuanced terms about how you go about that and at different levels of schooling.
In general, unless there is a large outbreak in a community re-opening elementary schools shouldn't be a big problem. Now if a community has a large outbreak going on, then opening the elementary school makes less sense as it is simply one more interior building where people interact.
High schools are a more complicated matter as teenagers tend to be more contagious and there have been cases worldwide of outbreaks that involved HS level kids. This is a level where you may have to be more creative and in some places you may not be able to have them in person if outbreaks are bad enough.

It is also suggested that bubble routines may be one of the most effective mitigation measures for schools. Keeping kids in small pods or in some cases larger pods (they talk about as few as 6 in some cases, in the hundreds for others). This allows you to more effectively handle outbreaks without having to close the schools. You just end up quarantining bods with outbreaks if they occur.

The biggest issue facing the US right now as far as re-opening is we are simply at a much worse place than various European countries were when they started to re-open. Their cases per capita were a fraction of where the US is right now. They tended to open with various measures in place and then modified them as they figured out what was truly a potential issue and what isn't. That's the kind of thinking we need in the US right now so we can re-open our schools without increasing the risk of spread significantly.

I’ve seen a lot of work on distancing inside the schools, but I haven’t seen much in getting there and back. Many parents depend on carpools or buses, as do the parking lots of schools. If everyone drives their kids alone to school, the drop off and pickup lines will be massive, and easily spill onto the streets.
Bus drivers are reportedly retiring en masse this year.


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