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Hate to point this out but I think it was just a typo on your end. The Dougherty death total is a staggering 83.
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Hate to point this out but I think it was just a typo on your end. The Dougherty death total is a staggering 83.
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Yep...cut and paste typo. Just fixed it..
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Here's a very thought=provoking essay by Charles Eisenstein on the societal and personal implications of coronavirus and our response to it. It's long, but well worth the read:
https://charleseisenstein.org/essays/the-coronation/?_page=6
https://charleseisenstein.org/essays/the-coronation/?_page=6
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My wife worked for a company that supplied Costco, so let me give a little different perspective on this. Whenever Costco puts a product on sale, it isn't Costco who loses the additional profit, it is the supplier who eats the entire cost of the discount. Since so many of Costco's suppliers are small businesses and Costco is usually their largest account, and since so many small businesses are getting killed right now, anything Costco discounts could be enough to tip that business into bankruptcy.
I don't have a problem with Costco not discounting anything...
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TR testing reveals much higher percentage of asymptomatic cases than previously thought. Most of this "sample set" will be young, male, and relatively healthy...which may explain the results.
Edit.. the young and healthy part. The gender would not be a factor... I don't think.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rcraft-carrier-are-symptom-free-idUSKCN21Y2GB
Edit.. the young and healthy part. The gender would not be a factor... I don't think.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...rcraft-carrier-are-symptom-free-idUSKCN21Y2GB
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I’m pretty sure Coca Cola is doing fine. Grocery chains are making a killing during this China Virus fiasco. There was a report a few nights ago with the national sales manager at Kroger stating their industry is going bonkers, in a good way, and they’re up 30-40%. I’m sure the little mom and pop producers aren’t doing well, but I don’t buy them anyway so I couldn’t tell you if they are ever on sale or not. Most of the large nationals are always on sale, but nope not during China Virus. Lol. You actually gotta love it. #Merica
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Grocery stores be like: "How you like them grocery store margins now?"
Coke's business has been stagnant for a long time. Their stock price is $5 higher than it was 2 decades ago. Many people would die for a stable, low growth business right now, which is what Coke is. They need to get into alcohol if you ask me.
Grocery store traffic and revenue is up, but it remains to be seen what comes out the other end. Kroger's margins are 2%. They made $1.5B last year and have $22B in debt. With the higher traffic and revenue comes more personal shoppers, delivery, and drive-ups. Will they make money on that? What about as cost of goods on the supply side increases? Most people would love to have that problem right now, but they were barely breaking even to begin with, so they have to very carefully manage the business right now to ensure they're actually making money. You have your costs swing 3% the wrong way and you're losing money. Better to have that as your problem than be a restaurant shutting down, but there are a lot of corporate folks worried about their cost structure, daily operations, and the health of their workforce for sure.
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Read the whole thing, disagree with most of it. Well written and thought out. For me personally it reads like alot of utopian gooblegook.
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FWIW, this is a pretty cool graphic to watch showing the daily growth in deaths of Coronovirus and how it stacks up to The Top 15 causes of death in the US. It became the top daily cause of death on April 7th
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1727839/
In terms of the death statistics in the US. Keep in mind that deaths is a trailing indicator by a good three weeks. The deaths you see today were basically baked in 3 weeks ago. (Incubation can take up to 14 days and the avg length of stay in a hospital before dying is 7 days). New cases would be the best one to look at (probably still is), though that is affected by how much we test and the testing in the US has not been good nor consistent.
I also want to add that right now I am probably watching what is happening in Asia right now even more than what is happening in the US as it likely gives of some idea of what to expect down the road. Japan expanded their State of Emergency to the whole country today. Really have no idea how bad it is as the government there has largely not tested saying it is a waste of resources.
in South Korea they are now reporting over 140 cases of someone who had COVID19 testing positive again. I'm hopeful this turns out to be just a testing issue, because the implications of that if it is not I don't want to think about.
in Singapore, after basically having it under control for months, they are starting to explode with cases (relatively speaking). The origin of the new outbreaks has been traced to people living in dormatory style housing (alot of migrants workers in Singapore), but their inability to quickly get it under control yet makes a future wave here seem more likely and more dangerous. Almost 50% of their cases in the last 4 days.
Singapore daily cases
Signapore cases on a logarithmic scale
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1727839/
In terms of the death statistics in the US. Keep in mind that deaths is a trailing indicator by a good three weeks. The deaths you see today were basically baked in 3 weeks ago. (Incubation can take up to 14 days and the avg length of stay in a hospital before dying is 7 days). New cases would be the best one to look at (probably still is), though that is affected by how much we test and the testing in the US has not been good nor consistent.
I also want to add that right now I am probably watching what is happening in Asia right now even more than what is happening in the US as it likely gives of some idea of what to expect down the road. Japan expanded their State of Emergency to the whole country today. Really have no idea how bad it is as the government there has largely not tested saying it is a waste of resources.
in South Korea they are now reporting over 140 cases of someone who had COVID19 testing positive again. I'm hopeful this turns out to be just a testing issue, because the implications of that if it is not I don't want to think about.
in Singapore, after basically having it under control for months, they are starting to explode with cases (relatively speaking). The origin of the new outbreaks has been traced to people living in dormatory style housing (alot of migrants workers in Singapore), but their inability to quickly get it under control yet makes a future wave here seem more likely and more dangerous. Almost 50% of their cases in the last 4 days.
Singapore daily cases
Signapore cases on a logarithmic scale
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Glad you read it. I found it to be insightful and thought-provoking. Through much of it he was trying to just make observations and think out loud. I don't think there's any escaping the fact that worldwide millions of children die of preventable causes every year, and it hardly raises a ripple in comparison with this. Something to think about.
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One caveat, and it probably applies more or less to every country (although less so to South Korea where testing has been much more liberally applied), which is that the death toll is undercounted. Many have died at home and in nursing homes and not been post-mortem tested. For instance, in my home town ten people died in one nursing home here in a sudden spate and have not been counted. It is suspected they probably died of coronavirus. Of course a lot of people who are positive for the virus walk around without symptoms, and they haven's been tested either. The true numbers are unknowable.FWIW, this is a pretty cool graphic to watch showing the daily growth in deaths of Coronovirus and how it stacks up to The Top 15 causes of death in the US. It became the top daily cause of death on April 7th
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1727839/
In terms of the death statistics in the US. Keep in mind that deaths is a trailing indicator by a good three weeks. The deaths you see today were basically baked in 3 weeks ago. (Incubation can take up to 14 days and the avg length of stay in a hospital before dying is 7 days). New cases would be the best one to look at (probably still is), though that is affected by how much we test and the testing in the US has not been good nor consistent.
I also want to add that right now I am probably watching what is happening in Asia right now even more than what is happening in the US as it likely gives of some idea of what to expect down the road. Japan expanded their State of Emergency to the whole country today. Really have no idea how bad it is as the government there has largely not tested saying it is a waste of resources.
in South Korea they are now reporting over 140 cases of someone who had COVID19 testing positive again. I'm hopeful this turns out to be just a testing issue, because the implications of that if it is not I don't want to think about.
in Singapore, after basically having it under control for months, they are starting to explode with cases (relatively speaking). The origin of the new outbreaks has been traced to people living in dormatory style housing (alot of migrants workers in Singapore), but their inability to quickly get it under control yet makes a future wave here seem more likely and more dangerous. Almost 50% of their cases in the last 4 days.
Singapore daily cases
Signapore cases on a logarithmic scale
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I moved a lot of posts to the politics of Covid 19 thread earlier. Looks like a few more to move.
Some were solidly political, and some were just tangled up and basically inseparable and included the others as quotes.
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FWIW, 7 Midwest states have created their own group to decide how to handle re-openings there - MN, WI, MI, OH, IN, KY, IL
President will be announcing new guidelines today.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/politics/read-guidelines-for-opening-america/index.html
Among the guidelines for Phase 1
14 days of sustained decreases in cases
return to pre-crisis conditions in hospitals
ability to set up safe and efficient screening.
ability to quickly and independently supply sufficient PPE
Document also says citizens should 'strongly consider' wearing face coverings in public.
Recommends schools stay closed in phase 1 and that people who can work from home should continue to work from home.
some large venues such as restaurants and gyms can re-open as long as they follow strict social distancing. Bars will remain closed.
non-essential travel should be avoided and vulnerable populations should shelter in place.
Implementation is up to the Governors to decide when the guidelines are met within their states.
President will be announcing new guidelines today.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/politics/read-guidelines-for-opening-america/index.html
Among the guidelines for Phase 1
14 days of sustained decreases in cases
return to pre-crisis conditions in hospitals
ability to set up safe and efficient screening.
ability to quickly and independently supply sufficient PPE
Document also says citizens should 'strongly consider' wearing face coverings in public.
Recommends schools stay closed in phase 1 and that people who can work from home should continue to work from home.
some large venues such as restaurants and gyms can re-open as long as they follow strict social distancing. Bars will remain closed.
non-essential travel should be avoided and vulnerable populations should shelter in place.
Implementation is up to the Governors to decide when the guidelines are met within their states.
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Seems reasonable. The key is the availability of testing, which is essential to the success of this plan. Also, the decrease in cases should be not only sustained, but substantial.
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In South Carolina, we had our daily new cases double from yesterday, back to near a record high daily number. This, more than a month after our shutdown, and out of nowhere after a long string of decreasing numbers. Mind boggling.
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Wisconsin just announced golf courses are finally opening on the 24th! #Merica #Midwest
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We’ve never shut down here in GA, and it’s been a freaking mad house. I haven’t seen this much demand in golf in my 25 years in the business. And it’s been bittersweet, 3-4 x increase in demand, and can’t take advantage of it at all. Revenue potential actually cut in half because of social distancing.
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The relevant thing here is the $22B. One thing that we need to keep in mind is the horrendous debt structure of most corporations, both US and foreign. If their markers are called in - and that could easily happen as things get tough - then the level of collapse could become really serious. I know the FED is aware of this; that's why they've already pumped $3T into the economy. Query = will that be enough?
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Michigan unemployment just broke 25%. Damn.
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