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Here is one illustration of the challenges with any bailout bill.

If you allow people to stop paying mortgages, utility bills, and so on, then those companies they owe will need a bailout.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mortga...s-as-coronavirus-slams-homeowners-11585017857

There are no easy answers. Its just different flavors of suck.

Personally I am an advocate of juiced unemployment - like 1 month at a time, pay those unemployed 80% of what they used to make (or pick a number). That will enable them to pay their bills, which would then avoid having to give those businesses they owe a bailout too.

There are lots of small businesses like restaurants that are just dead. Offering them a no interest loan doesn't help - its a huge debt around their neck they'll never be able to pay off again. Unfortunately many companies are just going to have to suffer until our economy starts to return to normal and then start over. We have bankruptcy laws for those. Perhaps they can come up with some ideas within that realm.

No easy answers. Its sad.
 
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> Here's a new or additional approach.
New coronavirus monitoring program launched in Seattle based on home-test kits
Health officials in King County are launching a new surveillance program to better track the spread of COVID-19 – and they’re asking residents to volunteer their noses for the effort.

Self-test kits with nasal swabs will be delivered to participants, who will send the samples back for analysis. The effort’s main goal is to get a better handle on the prevalence, severity and distribution of infection and gauge the impact of measures like social distancing and school closures, said Dr. Jeff Duchin, Health Officer for Public Health – Seattle & King County.

“The basic question that it’s going to be answering for us is what’s below the tip of the iceberg,” he said.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...-launched-in-seattle-based-on-home-test-kits/
 

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Both interesting, and scary (in terms of our privacy):

EDIT: direct link to the social distancing scorecard

https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard

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I can’t read the article, but the title implies they are only tracking the amount of movement of people. That doesn’t tell you anything about social distancing. It could tell you if people are staying home or not, but that doesn’t appear to be what the article is implying from the top line information I can see.
 

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Senators have now been blabbing for over 5 hours about this bill. Its being streamed live. You can jump back in time and listen to various Senators. 98% of what they're talking about has nothing to do with the bill at hand. Idiots.
 

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Senators have now been blabbing for over 5 hours about this bill. Its being streamed live. You can jump back in time and listen to various Senators. 98% of what they're talking about has nothing to do with the bill at hand. Idiots.
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That's why it is important to focus on the 2% that does. Most of the work takes place off the floor, but the floor is where you learn about the true sticking points. The exchange between McConnell and Manchin yesterday was quite instructive on that. What McConnell did was "negotiate" for 3 days to increase the pressure for passage, then bring the original bill to the floor in the hope of stampeding a vote for it. Manchin told him why that wouldn't work. So did Pelosi, who had already declared the original DOA at the House. That's why the administration is talking to Schumer; they want a bill and can see that Democratic discipline will hold in the House and Senate over the original proposal.

I expect something today, but it may take another day- and some arm twisting by Mnuchin - to get to unanimous consent in the Senate. That's what Pelosi wants; she doesn't want to take a partisan Senate vote on this to the floor of the House. She might not get that, but there will be a bill.
 

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That's why it is important to focus on the 2% that does. Most of the work takes place off the floor, but the floor is where you learn about the true sticking points. The exchange between McConnell and Manchin yesterday was quite instructive on that. What McConnell did was "negotiate" for 3 days to increase the pressure for passage, then bring the original bill to the floor in the hope of stampeding a vote for it. Manchin told him why that wouldn't work. So did Pelosi, who had already declared the original DOA at the House. That's why the administration is talking to Schumer; they want a bill and can see that Democratic discipline will hold in the House and Senate over the original proposal.

I expect something today, but it may take another day- and some arm twisting by Mnuchin - to get to unanimous consent in the Senate. That's what Pelosi wants; she doesn't want to take a partisan Senate vote on this to the floor of the House. She might not get that, but there will be a bill.
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So her counter is a bill full of unrelated things like fuel standards and election security? Bold strategy Cotton.
 
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Loss of taste and smell could be crucial symptoms of coronavirus
The loss of taste and smell could be crucial warning signs in “hidden carriers” of the novel coronavirus, experts have revealed.
> yes millennials - you can be a carrier when you have no symptoms

The British Association of Otorhinolaryngology — which represents ear, nose and throat specialists — says the loss of senses often appears in patients who show none of the earlier known symptoms.
. In Germany, almost two-thirds of patients have reported losing their sense of smell, while in Korea almost a third have even in “otherwise mild cases.”
https://nypost.com/2020/03/22/loss-of-taste-and-smell-could-be-crucial-symptoms-of-coronavirus/


 

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Italy had an increase in deaths again today, with almost 800, almost hitting a new record high. Every single day they’re matching the entire cumulative flu season deaths.
 
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bwelbo said:
So her counter is a bill full of unrelated things like fuel standards and election security? Bold strategy Cotton.
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I'm just using his own words. He has stated there is no substantive difference between them and he told CBS he thinks all this uproar is trying to intentionally create a rift between the two of them.

Now he could be making this up for his own political purposes, but if that's the case, then nobody should be listening to anything he's saying.
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I would take issue with your use of "political purposes." IMHO, I think Fauci has absolutely had to contradict the president on numerous occasions. However, he is smart enough to know that the president does not like that, nor does the president like people he perceives as overshadowing him or taking his spotlight. He is also smart enough to know that the media trying to create a narrative that they are fighting is not good for him. Thus, Fauci is making public statements there is no rift or "substantive difference" between them -- even though I believe he thinks there is (do you really believe Fauci thinks that everyone should go back to work by Easter!?).

However, I do not think Fauci is doing it "for his own political purposes." I think he believes that he is an expert and can help the American people by providing important information. If Trump kicks him off the team, he can no longer do that. Thus, he isn't trying to save his "political" career, he is just trying to make sure he is in a position to help guide policy and educate Americans on the virus.
 

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I would take issue with your use of "political purposes." IMHO, I think Fauci has absolutely had to contradict the president on numerous occasions. However, he is smart enough to know that the president does not like that, nor does the president like people he perceives as overshadowing him or taking his spotlight. He is also smart enough to know that the media trying to create a narrative that they are fighting is not good for him. Thus, Fauci is making public statements there is no rift or "substantive difference" between them -- even though I believe he thinks there is (do you really believe Fauci thinks that everyone should go back to work by Easter!?).

However, I do not think Fauci is doing it "for his own political purposes." I think he believes that he is an expert and can help the American people by providing important information. If Trump kicks him off the team, he can no longer do that. Thus, he isn't trying to save his "political" career, he is just trying to make sure he is in a position to help guide policy and educate Americans on the virus.
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Well, Trump hasn’t declared everyone will go back to work by April. If he ever contradicts recommendations by the experts like Fauci on anything of substance like that, we can discuss it then. As of now, Fauci said on the substance, they agree with each other. Fauci also said he thinks all this chatter is a political exercise to create a rift between them. Seems a pretty accurate assumption.
 
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Jeremiah Gratza, a co-owner of the Thunderbird Lounge in Phoenix, Ariz., came up with a unique incentive for customers. After the city forced bars and restaurants to only offer delivery or drive-thru service, he started offering a free toilet paper roll for every beer or wine order.
 
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...If he ever contradicts recommendations by the experts like Fauci on anything of substance like that, we can discuss it then...
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You mean like on the issues of potential spread, mortality rate, potential cures, timelines, China's activities, when we knew certain information, etc.? It is odd that you are hanging your hat on that one statement Fauci said when clearly trying to be diplomatic, and ignoring the many actual times he has contradicted Trump and Fauci's other statements that Trump sometimes provides information "in a way that I would not express it, because it could lead to some misunderstanding about what the facts are about a given subject," that Trump has made statements that "don't comport" with the facts, that "even though we disagree on some things, he listens," and even that "I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down. OK, he said it. Let’s try and get it corrected for the next time."

Fauci was removed from the last three press briefings once the video came out of him putting his hand to his head when Trump talked about "the Deep State Department." That is not a coincidence. I thought there was a good chance that might happen when I saw the video, and I blame the media for that, not Fauci. When asked if he has been criticized for that by Trump's team, he said "no comment." Trump has fired virtually every single cabinet member that has publicly contradicted/criticized him. That pattern may be somewhat acceptable for political appointees, but should have NO place when dealing with health experts during a public crisis.

While Trump has not definitively said that he would open the economy up by Easter, just saying that is a likely option is unquestionably contrary to what Fauci is saying.
 

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You mean like on the issues of potential spread, mortality rate, potential cures, timelines, China's activities, when we knew certain information, etc.? It is odd that you are hanging your hat on that one statement Fauci said when clearly trying to be diplomatic, and ignoring the many actual times he has contradicted Trump and Fauci's other statements that Trump sometimes provides information "in a way that I would not express it, because it could lead to some misunderstanding about what the facts are about a given subject," that Trump has made statements that "don't comport" with the facts, that "even though we disagree on some things, he listens," and even that "I can’t jump in front of the microphone and push him down. OK, he said it. Let’s try and get it corrected for the next time."

Fauci was removed from the last three press briefings once the video came out of him putting his hand to his head when Trump talked about "the Deep State Department." That is not a coincidence. I thought there was a good chance that might happen when I saw the video, and I blame the media for that, not Fauci. When asked if he has been criticized for that by Trump's team, he said "no comment." Trump has fired virtually every single cabinet member that has publicly contradicted/criticized him. That pattern may be somewhat acceptable for political appointees, but should have NO place when dealing with health experts during a public crisis.

While Trump has not definitively said that he would open the economy up by Easter, just saying that is a likely option is unquestionably contrary to what Fauci is saying.
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I’m just quoting the health experts like Dr Fauci - he said on the substance there is no separation between them.
 
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