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I explained that days ago - from a dcotor,
The Coronavirus' are all virus' that start in birds. At some point this virus mutated from a bird into another animal. From there it mutated in November where it went from an animal to a human. Then it mutated where it could be transferred from human to human and that is where we are today.

We don't need to be looking for evil conspiracy theories for everything just to make us feel better. these virus' have been around for centuries. Sometimes they are more aggressive and easily transferable sometimes not - in this case we have probably the most transferable virus in 100 years.

Not everything is about someone out to get you. Sometimes things just happen because that is life.
Information is attached below ...the study being referenced in from a Chinese university in February....it suggest the virus "escaped" via a lab accident from one of two virology labs in Wuhan. This makes some sense.....not a conspiracy....as usual, incompetence is much more likely than conspiracy. The full paper discussed how the bats in question were being used as test animals in both labs yet were never sold in the wet market that the Chinese have blamed for the outbreak.
"According to municipal reports and the testimonies of 31 residents
and 28 visitors, the bat was never a food source in the city, and no bat was traded in the
market."

Given the emphasis in China on "face", it is entirely believable they would lie to cover up a screw-up.

The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus

Botao Xiao 21.93 South China University of Technology
Lei Xiao

The 2019-nCoV has caused an epidemic of 28,060 laboratory-confirmed infections in human including 564 deaths in China by February 6, 2020. Two descriptions of the virus published on Nature this week indicated that the genome sequences from patients were almost identical to the Bat CoV ZC45 coronavirus. It was critical to study where the pathogen came from and how it passed onto human. An article published on The Lancet reported that 27 of 41 infected patients were found to have contact with the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan. We noted two laboratories conducting research on bat coronavirus in Wuhan, one of which was only 280 meters from the seafood market. We briefly examined the histories of the laboratories and proposed that the coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory. Our proposal provided an alternative origin of the coronavirus in addition to natural recombination and intermediate host.

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Cue run on blue paper towels:

https://www.businessinsider.com/homemade-mask-using-hydro-knit-shop-towel-filters-better-2020-4

The ideal material turned out to be stretchy blue shop towels made from a polyester hydro knit.

Inserting two of these towels into an ordinary cotton mask brought filtration up to 93% of particles as small as 0.3 microns, the smallest their machine could test. Meanwhile, the cotton masks filtered 60% of particles at best in their tests, Schempf said.

Polyester hydro knit towels are readily available at hardware and automotive stores. The two brands they tested were ToolBox's shop towel and ZEP's industrial blue towel. Interestingly, Scott's pro shop towels, which are also made with a hydro knit fabric, didn't work as well, Schempf said.

BTW, I have two cases of them in my shop. They've been there for a few years now. If anyone needs some, PM me. $50 each roll if I like you. $1000 a roll if I don't like you. :)
 

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Tylenol is a wonderful drug. It was the only thing that helped break the fevers. Every patient on my ward was needing Tylenol around the clock. On Day 4 the hospital had run out of 325mg tylenol tablets and were using 500mg tablets at six hour intervals to conserve resources until the pharmacy could be restocked. Let that sink in. "Could they run out of TylenoI?" I called our PA and had her buy and smuggle Tylenol into my room. She said she bought the last 2 bottles on the shelf at Walgreen's. If I make it, years from now I'll die and my wife will find a bottle of Tylenol hidden between my bed mattress and boxspring.

I never lost my sense of smell. My room still smelled like a hospital. I lost my appetite. I never lost my sense of taste but it changed. I ate a cookie and it tasted like a stick of butter dipped in cinnamon. Italian dressing on salad tasted like vomit. On hospital day 6 I finally was feeling hungry enough to order out for pizza. I thought I was eating a salt lick.

On Day 6 my MDs were contemplating starting me on the plaquenil/azithromycin regimen because of my persistent fevers. Also I was beginning to experience pleuritic chest pain. I couldn't start the meds due to the fact that the plaquenil would put me at risk for long QT/arrhythmias- I'm already on a risky anti-arrhymic medication to treat/prevent my atrial fibrillation.

Then something good finally happened. My fevers became less severe and only 1 or 2 times per day. I was still short of breath but it was less severe thanks to the break in the fevers. But now I had to deal with the chest pain and a nonproductive cough that could be set off from simply turning in the bed. The coughing fits would last for a minute, but seem forever.

I have nothing but praise for the nurses who took care of me. They knew how food was tasting funny. One of them smuggled in a doughnut and Hershey kisses for me one morning when I said I missed sweets. It was the best cotton ball flavored doughnut I ever ate. Though I didn't feel it, I knew the ward was full and I was likely one of their healthiest patients. Sorry about all the sweaty underwear.

They all have kids and families and recognize the figurative crud is quickly about to hit the fan. They still come to work. God, they all must be scared and stressed. Pray for them.

I was still sick but felt well enough to be discharged to home on hospital Day 8, that's 12 days after I developed symptoms.
I drove home 20 miles per hour with my hazard flashers on and huffing for air. Along the way I saw cars everywhere and people out walking. "Don't they know how bad it is? Don't they know how bad it will get?" I thought to myself. I entered my development and saw a group of 6 older men in their golfcarts ready to tee off at the club's 4th hole. How I wanted to drive up to the tee box and reprimand them. I pulled into my garage and broke down. Nothing is more gut wrenching than spending a week in anxiety wondering if I was going to be a patient who needs mechanical ventilation or worse one of the 1.3%, and having to be welcomed home through a glass window. I've known Angie since I was fifteen (35 years). We celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary last year. God knows what she was thinking while I was in the hospital. God knows I held information from her so she wouldn't think the worst. Here I come to home. 2 best friends back together hands separated by a window pane and all emotions coming out at once. When will we finally be able to get a hug?

So now I'm in my 15th day with coronavirus symptoms. I have no more fevers. The coughing is terrible, uncontrollable. I remain very weak. I can stand for no more than 3-5 minutes. I'm able to walk from from my basement door to my front porch though it takes some time and I need to sit down for 20-30 minutes once I get there. I got exhausted organizing puzzle pieces.

Angie brings breakfast down to the basement door and we talk each morning through the basement windows via our cell phones. I've become a good listener. I can't talk for very long- too tiring. My family come down and sit on the back porch for lunch and dinner. Angie knows how my appetite and taste had changed. She has changed her cooking and meals appropriately. She doesn't know that the taste thing is back to normal. Let's keep it all a secret for now. I am certain she is perplexed why grilled ham and cheese with brown mustard is extremely palatable, but cooked vegetables make me nauseous.

I've regressed into being a teenager. I spend my time on the couch- minimal activity. Netflix is my closest friend. I've not watched any more episodes of Forensic Files, but I've saw enough episodes last week to see the patterns of spousal homicide. There is no doubt in my mind. CAROLE BASKIN KILLED HER SECOND HUSBAND AND FED HIM TO THE TIGERS.

I have become more spiritual. I have spent 25 years in the Catholic church and never officially converted. It's now on my to do list. I've prayed every night I've been sick and sometimes during the day. I've thanked The Lord for keeping me alive and helping me recover. I thanked him for keeping my family healthy without symptoms where surely they should have been sick. I asked to keep them protected. I asked for this craziness to end. I went to mass via the tv twice. I am surprised that I know the entire Nicene Creed- I always thought I was repeating what the lady 2 rows behind me was saying a little faster than what our priest was saying. Sometimes it takes bad times to help us recognize the good things.

I did a drastic thing and shaved my head and beard. I was many weeks due for a haircut, and no chance of a cut for the next few weeks. The continuous sweats left my hair knotted and unmanageable. I washed my hair 5 times in the last 2 weeks and I still couldn't keep it clean. Interesting how literally and figuratively a bald head can make one feel cooler.

This is the longest I've ever been away from work. I have no idea when I will not be considered a risk to patients. I have no idea when I will feel better. I have no idea when I will be back to work. My only prediction- not soon.
Just post the link man, we know you;re copying and pasting .. why fill up the thread?
 

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Now, a harrowing, personal, first-hand account worth reading... You’ve been warned. PS- This dude’s a doc.



Now that it's been 15 days and my wife and kids remain asymptomatic, I can now tell my coronavirus story.

I was wrong. I had seen it before. Media had sensationalized the news. SARS was coming, MERS was coming, Swine flu was coming, Ebola was coming. Small groups of people panicked, small groups were affected. The viruses that were to be the next plague faded away and the media shifted attention to some other news to get ratings- one week it was 24/7 discussion about Hilliary and her private server, the next week maybe something about a Kardashian, or members of the US Women's Soccer Team declining an invite to The White House.

With that history of news hysteria, I discounted the admonitions and went on my planned vacation. A week on the 80s cruise. We had received information regarding the travel restrictions for guests who would be on the cruise. We were told of the enhanced embarkation screening and the increased on-boat cleaning and sanitization that staff would be completing during our trip. To my knowledge no staff or guest had any symptoms of the coronavirus during the cruise.

What a great cruise (except for the fact that the cruise cost twice the price for most cruises and the major headline performers cancelled either the day before or day after the cruise set sail. Yeah The B52s, Loverboy, and Brett Michaels- I'm talking about you guys.)

I don't know when I had contracted the virus that week. Amusingly my wife and kids have remained asymptomatic despite being in close quarters with me that week. I wore an N95 mask on the flights to and from Miami, (my family didn't). Only I had used the spa for a massage. I rode shotgun to and from the Port of Miami while my family rode in the back of the taxis we used. I washed my hands many more times than I usually do a day. Mind you, I'm a general surgeon- I wash my hands alot. I wiped down door knobs and my cell phone with antibacterial wipes I had all the time in back pocket. I did all of that to make me feel better about catching a virus I thought was surely being sensationalized by the media. It was small risk and it wouldn't be so bad even if I caught it.

Let me state this again. I was wrong.

Though we had minimal internet service on the cruise, we were able to get news updates whenever we came into dock. It looked like things were getting REAL. People are hoarding toilet paper? Banning flights from Italy? Disney World is closing? Tom Hanks has the virus? When we got home that Sunday I convinced my wife to go shop for some non-perishables and marvel at the empty shelves where the toilet paper should be. We came home and hunkered down. I had already received a text from my hospital's infectious disease specialist. She knew I was on vacation and wanted me to stay low and surveil for the development of any coronavirus symptoms.

I didn't have to wait long. The next morning, my Day 1 of living with coronavirus, I woke with one of those irritating coughs that tickle the back of your throat. Then a mild headache. Then muscle and joint pain. All of these were allergy symptoms I have every year when the yellow pollen snow coats my home's lawn and driveway. Still cautious, I cancelled my week's scheduled cases and office visits. I isolated from my family and moved into our walkout basement. I got back with our hospital's ID specialist who told me to stay at home but not to be too worried because I had no fevers.

The fevers started on Day 2. These weren't high spiking 102.0 fevers (those would come later), but low grade fevers that made me feel flushed and irritated. They were easily controlled with Tylenol. I drove over to the hospital's new drive thru viral testing center. I knew the staff working there; they laughed at me thinking a was pulling a prank on them. "You don't look sick," they said. Our ID MD came out and shoved the longest cotton swab I've ever seen into my left nostril and told me results would take 48hrs to come back. I know now how wrong I was during my surgical residency to place all those nasogastric tubes at bedside without remorse.

Day 3 and most of Day 4 was a continuation of the same. I was obviously sick but not too bad if I could keep my temperature down.

Then things began to progress quickly. I received a text from our administrator for physician affairs just as I had my first fever above 101.5. 'This is *** ****.
Can I give u a quick call?' Damn. I knew what he was to tell me. So 10 minutes later I have to holler upstairs to my wife and let her know I have coronavirus and we are all in quarantine. She decides since it's late in the evening, she'll sit tight and find a way to break it to the kids in the morning. 2 hours later the fever is worse. Then the breathing problems started. I felt I was trying to breathe through the cardboard tube that holds towel paper- able to be done, but uncomfortable after a few minutes. At midnight I called my wife and told her I was driving myself to the hospital. I called the ER MD that was on call and told him to expect me. My lab work, vitals, chest xray, and ekg were all fine and I was told I could go home or be admitted for observation. I had been sick for 4 days and was now much, much worse with shortness of breath- why was I even given an option to go home? I chose admission.

I spent the next 8 days in the hospital. I was not well. Fortunately I never was hypoxemic where I required oxygen supplementation, though I used a oxygen venturi mask for breathing comfort. The first 6 days of my hospitalization could be summarized easily. My day involved lying under blankets help with my chills and body aches. The blankets would soon be torn off the bed and I'd strip down to my underwear because I'd become feverish and sweat profusely. It was during these sweat fests that my breathing worsened considerably and I prayed to God for a miracle. I always thought, "is this the one where my breathing gets so bad the nurses say, 'he's spiralling, take him to the ICU.'" The cycle of blankets and stripping and sweating and gasping would happen 4 to 6 times a day. Usually the worse episode occurred at night. I'd always get some sleep between 23:00-1:00. Then each night I'd be up for the remaining early morning hours fighting another fever.

There are a limited number of Forensic File episodes. They are played one after another on the HLN channel from Midnight to 6AM. I have quickly approached to seeing almost all of them. I would maybe get another 1-2 hours of sleep during the day.

For those who have never 'sweated a bed' it is a very uncomfortable thing. The breathing difficulty became much more pronounced when I sweated the bed. Moreover it was embarrassing to do it in front of the nursing staff you see daily at work. First time in my life I really took to heart the tale about mothers saying to always wear clean underwear because you'll never know when you get into an accident. Thank you to Dr. Bakhtazde for having the compassion to run over to Target and buy me a fresh 6-pack of briefs on Day 4.

Lol he definitely has a flair for the dramatic. So essentially he had a bad cold. Bad cold sweats, panting, coughing, headaches, etc. Definitely sucks but this guy is really milking the gullible people with this tale. The hospital literally told him he’s fine and could go home lol. What a clown that guy sounds like.
 

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All I know is this, if we are still practicing social distancing in the fall, heaven help our economy. The economic crisis will make what we are going through now look mild. It's just unacceptable that we would destroy our nation like that. Reason ultimately has to prevail. If we lose a couple hundred thousand lives so be it. Better than sending a couple hundred million people in to poverty. Not sure how many of you guys understand the misery that was living through the Great depression but I suggest you study it if you haven't.
This is a pretty morbid way of thinking. Do away with social distancing and see quickly those meaningless hundreds of thousands of lives turn into meaningless millions of lives.
 

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I don't think the doctor's story is an opinion. it is a fact.
I think the story of it being made up in a lab is an opinion with no basis in fact.
Try not to confuse an opinion with a fact.
It's also a FACT that the only virus infected bats within 600 miles of Wuhan were in that virology lab. Wake up and smell the coffee!
In case u don't know SARS also escaped from a virology lab in Beijing circa 2002-04. it can happen despite precautions.
 

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Lol he definitely has a flair for the dramatic. So essentially he had a bad cold. Bad cold sweats, panting, coughing, headaches, etc. Definitely sucks but this guy is really milking the gullible people with this tale. The hospital literally told him he’s fine and could go home lol. What a clown that guy sounds like.

Huh? He said he had a high fever, difficulty breathing, couldn't walk across the room and felt like crap for over 2 weeks. Had to be hospitalized and get oxygen. And you say that sounds like the common cold? LOL.
 

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New York City almost outpaced the entire countries of Spin and Italy in the last day, with nearly 600 dead. Good gracious.
 

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Comments are great.

“The public was told we did not need the masks. This was a lie to protect the supply for hospitals and health care. We are treated like sheep.They had good intentions but they still lied.”

“So when is the FBI going after the pharmaceutical companies that are charging 10,000% over cost for medications?”

“But hospitals provide an N95 mask to a patient, the hospital will list the masks on patient's bills at a multiple-times price mark-up, so where does gouging begin or is there no legally defined percentage?”

“I’m not condoning what this guy is accused of, but does anyone else find it ironic that it’s perfectly acceptable for hospitals to mark up the same items by 700% or more?”

“So the hospital charging me $11 for an Ibuprofen isn't price gouging?”

“When you go to most hospitals they have at least a 1,000% markup on everything they give or prescribe patients. A $3 dollar bottle of aspirin for $50. A $2 roll of surgical tape for $20. A $50 x-ray for $800. Maybe the Feds are raiding the wrong place.”

“It's time for the FBI to look into the price gouging on the epipen ($35 to $500+ in just a few years).”

“That's funny. My rent's gone up 80% in the last 10 years but they haven't arrested my landlord yet!...”

“Now if they could just locate all the toilet paper and paper towels we'd have it made”
Hospitals do deliberately overcharge and this isn't new.
Neither the hospital nor my insurance co would undo the charges for my daughter's circumcision ...
 

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Some more testing numbers that show positives, yet imbalances. Across the USA, we’ve now run over 2,000,000 COVID-19 tests.

LA County (population 10 million) has tested 18,000 people total.

1 single hospital here in the Charleston SC area (one of many that set up a drive thru) has tested 5,000 people now. 1 single hospital has tested 5,000 people whereas the entire LA County has tested 18,000? Confounding.
 

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On today’s South Carolina update, they reiterated our stay at home order. We still don’t show up on the map on world news stories still for some reason that way. But it’s been in effect here for weeks. The governor specifically said there are fines and penalties for noncompliance and the stay at home order is in place.

Furthermore, they listed the supplies we’re trying to order, what we’ve gotten, and what we’ve gotten from the national stockpile. They track all these things every day and are in communication with suppliers and the Fed.

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The CDC updated their guidance today, stating that the Coronavirus can spread by “talking”. Sad.
 

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WH now recommending "non-medical cloth" face masks. Basically confirms what I said was probably the case. The recommendation did not come earlier because the medical professionals did not think they would work, but largely because, for policy reasons, the administration thought recommending face masks would cause panic and this (exactly what I said):

"Underpinning the internal back-and-forth was the persistent shortage of medical grade masks for front-line hospital workers, which states and the federal government have scrambled to resolve through patchwork shipments and appeals to the private sector. Some White House officials feared a blanket recommendation for Americans to use face coverings might cause a rush on the badly needed medical masks, aggravating the already-grave situation for hospital workers and first responders."

I don't think this is a CDC medical knowledge/recommendation issue. It is a policy issue. And not any easy one.
 

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maybe they should just get production out so all americans can buy the medical masks?
china,skorea,taiwan.japan,singapore were able to do this why can't we.
IMHo i don't think the guidelines are stringent enough
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On today’s South Carolina update, they reiterated our stay at home order. We still don’t show up on the map on world news stories still for some reason that way. But it’s been in effect here for weeks. The governor specifically said there are fines and penalties for noncompliance and the stay at home order is in place.

Furthermore, they listed the supplies we’re trying to order, what we’ve gotten, and what we’ve gotten from the national stockpile. They track all these things every day and are in communication with suppliers and the Fed.

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I am a little confused by those tables. Is 312,878 the number of N95 masks that SC has asked for or the number that have been delivered from the national stockpile?
 
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