Conference Realignment

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orientalnc said:
What is the motivation for Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan St, Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers, and Wisconsin to vote for the acceptance of FSU or Clemson as B1G members? Neither are AAU members. Both are teams likely to add losses to the record of these teams. Both are schools that would willingly take money from the pocket of schools that don't draw the audience they believe they draw, and both are likely to make the audience smaller for the games or other B1G schools. The bottom line is that I don't think the B1g member schools want FSU or Clemson.
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The bottom line is that I don't think ENOUGH of the B1g member schools want FSU or Clemson
 

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I haven’t seen the ACC Conference governing documents, but maybe some of you have. I am curious whether there would be any adverse consequences for any ACC member now, if the member entered into a purely executory agreement now with another conference to join that conference upon the occurrence of various contingencies in the future.
 
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tmhunter52 said:
I haven’t seen the ACC Conference governing documents, but maybe some of you have. I am curious whether there would be any adverse consequences for any ACC member now, if the member entered into a purely executory agreement now with another conference to join that conference upon the occurrence of various contingencies in the future.
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Why would the ACC member, or the hypothetical other conference, agree to a contract with totally unknowable conditions? It could be 2036 before the ACC member can leave the conference and the ACC might be preferable at that time. Or the ACC member might not be desirable in 2036. Or the ACC member might be enjoined from undermining the ACC in any way. There are a bunch of possible scenarios,, but this is VERY unlikely.
 
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orientalnc said:
What is the motivation for Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan St, Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers, and Wisconsin to vote for the acceptance of FSU or Clemson as B1G members? Neither are AAU members. Both are teams likely to add losses to the record of these teams. Both are schools that would willingly take money from the pocket of schools that don't draw the audience they believe they draw, and both are likely to make the audience smaller for the games or other B1G schools. The bottom line is that I don't think the B1g member schools want FSU or Clemson.
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Not to mention they're not very agreeable...
www.si.com

Clemson refused call to move South Carolina game: report

Clemson declined a request from ESPN and the ACC to play football rival South Carolina on Black Friday and will instead play the game on the Saturday after Than
www.si.com www.si.com
 
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One of the most irreverent college bands is the Rice U Marching Owl Band (the MOB). This is what the MOB did at halftime at the Rice-UT game in Austin in 2011 after Texas A&M announced they were moving to the SEC. It's time they did it again.

The best line of the show: “We congratulate the SEC and the Big 12, as both conferences improve their average IQ.”
Rice Mob.JPG


On a side note, one year Rice was playing A&M. The MOB formed a fire hydrant on the field and played "Where Oh Where Has My Little Dog Gone" (a scatological reference) and goosed stepped Nazi style while playing the Aggie War Song. After the game, the Aggies formed a mob outside Rice's stadium, trapping the Owl band inside for hours until police dispersed some of the crowd and allowed the band to exit, transported by food service trucks.
 

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orientalnc said:
Why would the ACC member, or the hypothetical other conference, agree to a contract with totally unknowable conditions? It could be 2036 before the ACC member can leave the conference and the ACC might be preferable at that time. Or the ACC member might not be desirable in 2036. Or the ACC member might be enjoined from undermining the ACC in any way. There are a bunch of possible scenarios,, but this is VERY unlikely.
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I agree that it is unlikely, but if the parties were willing, certainly the future terms, contingencies and metrics could define whether the agreement would become effective or progress to the next phase, much like a Letter of Intent.
 

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There is no motivation to add clemson or fsu to the sec or b1g unless they bring in more tv revenue than currently contracted. In fact they are better off keeping them from equitable income to keep them financially hamstrung on a nationally competitive basis.
 
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Ponte vedra GT said:
If the ACC schools are AAU schools, FSU is working toward that, they should be very attractive!
Why?
Recruiting !
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Miami is an AAU school. Miami is ranked as a larger brand by many people. Miami gets the Big10 into the FL tv market, and into FL for recruiting.

Why are you so certain that FSU is the Florida school that the Big10 would want? I think they would prefer Miami over FSU. However, there is another school in FL that they would probably prefer over any other FL school. AAU school. Large primary state school. However, I doubt UF would leave the SEC to join the Big10.
 
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RonJohn said:
Miami is an AAU school. Miami is ranked as a larger brand by many people. Miami gets the Big10 into the FL tv market, and into FL for recruiting.

Why are you so certain that FSU is the Florida school that the Big10 would want? I think they would prefer Miami over FSU. However, there is another school in FL that they would probably prefer over any other FL school. AAU school. Large primary state school. However, I doubt UF would leave the SEC to join the Big10.
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I bet TX A&M would jump to the BIG
 
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stinger78 said:
Just spitballing, if the B1G could get into GA, FL, and TX in one fell swoop, do you think they would?

Heck yeah, they would. That’s the three largest recruiting states in the southland, and maybe even the US, and it leads right to GA Tech, Miami/F$U, and TAMU.
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And, with already having gotten USC and UCLA, they would have covered all the top recruiting areas in the country.
 
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Root4GT said:
Yes they are very happy in the SEC. UT doesn’t bother A&M is on par or above UT in revenue and fan support. Most Aggies missed playing UT. They actually have a rivalry unlike GT and UGA.
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Texas currently leads the series 76–37–5 ( UT has won 65%). In the 2000’s, UT has won 9 of the last 12 games they played. The UGA/GT series sits at 71-41-5 (UGA - 60%). Yes, in the last 12 games GT has won only 2, but 2 of the losses were in OT, 2 more were 1-score games,and 2 of the losses were under TFG (and you could argue a 3rd due to the residual effect of TFG in 2022).
 
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