CFB PLAYOFF FINAL AND NO SEC

[Richard7125]

The only way to stop ND is for all conferences not to schedule them in football, force their hand ( but we all know that won’t work)

I don't understand why everyone cares if ND is in a conference. Had they been in the same position that Clemson was this year, they would not have had the opportunity to win a conference game and get into the CFP.

 

[FredJacket]

Honestly doubt that it would’ve been cut and dried those four (in that order at least) if it was a 4-team. UGA and Texas aren’t playing a third time if they have a choice, so either Texas drops to 4 or is out entirely. OSU and PSU both would have 2 losses, with OSU having the head to head win. And ND would have a solid argument being 11-1 with 8 P4 wins + Navy, and being a major brand name.

Maybe you’re right. I think OSU would have definitely been out of top 4. Loss to Michigan was their last game. That would factor more than H2H with PSU.

I think the committee was saying the conference finalists of B1G & SEC are the best 4. But I could see ND replacing Texas or PSU.

 

[Northeast Stinger]

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[stinger78]

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Maybe the SECheat’s performance in the CFP should alert everyone to the error inherent in SOS numbers?

 

[wvGT11]

I think the format this year worked great, no need to expand it, as that means games likely going into February.

 

[RonJohn]

I think it has leveled out some more since NIL and the portal. However, I think it is just far more apparent that they HUGE HYPE about the SEC is only hype. Sanky and ESPN try to push that every single SEC team is equivalent to an NFL team, and every other team, except for a few Big10 teams are equivalent to D2 or high school teams. It has never been that big of a spread. In the perception of the ESPN commentators, beating Miss State is a huge deal because they are an SEC team. Beating Duke is not significant because they are just an ACC team, even though they went 9-3 this year.

The SEC receives a lot of credit for winning most of the BCS games. However, the SEC was at least 1 of 2 teams in the BCS most years. They were every single year from 2006-2013. In the 2011 season, the both teams were SEC teams. The SEC was guaranteed to win the championship after the last BCS rankings. I think that the SEC saw that hype would increase rankings, and ensure that the SEC was included in the championship. The SEC has hyped so much that the committee last year was afraid to leave Alabama out, and they moved Texas up several spots so that they could them move Alabama up to number 4.

I am certain that Sanky and other leaders of the SEC know that they are only spewing hype. They change the hype every year. Some years, big wins are more important than bad losses. Other years, bad losses obviously are more important than big wins. Their statements aren't rooted in truth, they are crafted to get a desired result regardless of what they actually think to be true. Some people are making fun of Sanky's statements from the last few weeks. But I predict that in the spring, and then summer Sanky will be touting the SEC again, and ESPN will be pushing the SEC narrative. By the summer ESPN will have people believing that Alabama, mutts, Ole Miss, LSU, Florida, etc. are made up of players that can chew steel, run faster than flash, and could handle the 1985 Bears like they were herding sheep.

 

[kg01]

They got it right a few years, but the majority they worked their system to make sure they got their teams in

That's what they tried to do this year too. Their teams just sucked bonked dalls and got eggsposed. In prior Yeats, they made sure that wasn't possible.

Rewind to all the smarmy back-slapping they were doing when things got extended to 12 teams. They were all, "bwahaha, it'z just gon' be like 14 SEC teams in the 12. Bwahahaahaa."

So gratifying that the only chance they had was the fake SEC team they all claimed wasn't a 'real' SEC team. Clowns.

 

[Oldgoldandwhite]

If increased to 32 teams, that’s 5 games for teams in the champ game.

Unlike basketball, that’s an extra half season at a higher probability of injury than you see in any other sport.

Imagine Haynes King having that in front of him after the UGAg game.

I think more than 16 is a non-starter, and 12 is four too many.

Just my $.02 worth.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[RonJohn]

If increased to 32 teams, that’s 5 games for teams in the champ game.

Unlike basketball, that’s an extra half season at a higher probability of injury than you see in any other sport.

Imagine Haynes King having that in front of him after the UGAg game.

I think more than 16 is a non-starter, and 12 is four too many.

Just my $.02 worth.

FCS has 24 teams. D2 has 28 teams.

FCS had 20 teams when people were arguing that a 4 team playoff was far too many games for college football. Back then people said: That is too many games to play and remain healthy. That is too many games to play and will interfere with academics. : All the time they were saying that, FCS teams were playing more games without huge increases in injuries nor increases in academic failures.

People find "facts" to support their arguments, but ignore actual facts that are sitting right in front of them. I think that 16 is inevitable, especially if every first round bye loses again next year. I think there is zero chance of pulling back to 8 because there is too much money involved. I think expanding beyond 16 will depend entirely on financials and will not even consider injuries nor academics. They will profess that they are considering those things, but money will be what drives any changes.

 

[yeti92]

FCS has 24 teams. D2 has 28 teams.

FCS had 20 teams when people were arguing that a 4 team playoff was far too many games for college football. Back then people said: That is too many games to play and remain healthy. That is too many games to play and will interfere with academics. : All the time they were saying that, FCS teams were playing more games without huge increases in injuries nor increases in academic failures.

People find "facts" to support their arguments, but ignore actual facts that are sitting right in front of them. I think that 16 is inevitable, especially if every first round bye loses again next year. I think there is zero chance of pulling back to 8 because there is too much money involved. I think expanding beyond 16 will depend entirely on financials and will not even consider injuries nor academics. They will profess that they are considering those things, but money will be what drives any changes.

I don't watch FCS or D2 football or pretend to know whether they have teams that are stacked relative to their peers like is the case in FBS, but I would guess the difference is not as drastic.

 

[wrmathis]

I don't watch FCS or D2 football or pretend to know whether they have teams that are stacked relative to their peers like is the case in FBS, but I would guess the difference is not as drastic.

FCS Championship since 2011. you will see a pattern

34	2011​	January 7, 2012​	North Dakota State	17–6​	Sam Houston State	Frisco, TX	20,586​	Craig Bohl
35	2012​	January 5, 2013​	North Dakota State (2)	39–13​	Sam Houston State	Frisco, TX	21,411​	Craig Bohl (2)
36	2013​	January 4, 2014​	North Dakota State (3)	35–7​	Towson	Frisco, TX	19,802​	Craig Bohl (3)
37	2014​	January 10, 2015​	North Dakota State (4)	29–27​	Illinois State	Frisco, TX	20,918​	Chris Klieman
38	2015​	January 9, 2016​	North Dakota State (5)	37–10​	Jacksonville State	Frisco, TX	21,836​	Chris Klieman (2)
39	2016​	January 7, 2017​	James Madison (2)	28–14​	Youngstown State	Frisco, TX	14,423​	Mike Houston
40	2017​	January 6, 2018​	North Dakota State (6)	17–13​	James Madison	Frisco, TX	19,090​	Chris Klieman (3)
41	2018​	January 5, 2019​	North Dakota State (7)	38–24​	Eastern Washington	Frisco, TX	17,802​	Chris Klieman (4)
42	2019​	January 11, 2020​	North Dakota State (8)	28–20​	James Madison	Frisco, TX	17,866​	Matt Entz
43	2020​	May 16, 2021​	Sam Houston	23–21​	South Dakota State	Frisco, TX	7,840​	K. C. Keeler (2)
44	2021​	January 8, 2022​	North Dakota State (9)	38–10​	Montana State	Frisco, TX	18,942​	Matt Entz (2)
45	2022​	January 8, 2023​	South Dakota State	45–21​	North Dakota State	Frisco, TX	18,023​	John Stiegelmeier
46	2023​	January 7, 2024​	South Dakota State (2)	23–3​	Montana	Frisco, TX	19,512​	Jimmy Rogers
47	2024​	January 6, 2025​	North Dakota State (10)	35–32​	Montana State	Frisco, TX	18,005​	Tim Polasek

 

[Jerry the Jacket]

I think the ACC needs to push their affiliation with Notre Dame to exact as much positive press as possible. I hope that affiliation results in some of Notre Dame's financial reward associated with their run in the CFP being shared back the conference and spread around the membership of the ACC. If that is going on, it needs to be accentuated by our commissioner and the rest of the ACC leadership.

You have to squeeze every bit of the juice out of our affiliation with Notre Dame.

Go Jackets!

 

[stinger78]

FCS has 24 teams. D2 has 28 teams.

FCS had 20 teams when people were arguing that a 4 team playoff was far too many games for college football. Back then people said: That is too many games to play and remain healthy. That is too many games to play and will interfere with academics. : All the time they were saying that, FCS teams were playing more games without huge increases in injuries nor increases in academic failures.

People find "facts" to support their arguments, but ignore actual facts that are sitting right in front of them. I think that 16 is inevitable, especially if every first round bye loses again next year. I think there is zero chance of pulling back to 8 because there is too much money involved. I think expanding beyond 16 will depend entirely on financials and will not even consider injuries nor academics. They will profess that they are considering those things, but money will be what drives any changes.

Just because they use more teams doesn’t make it good or better. Put that “fact” into your equation. Ha!

Is the 68-team NCAAT any better than the 32 team version of the late 70’s/early 80’s? Matter of opinion, I suppose.

What is non-factual about what I typed?

 

[RonJohn]

Just because they use more teams doesn’t make it good or better. Put that “fact” into your equation. Ha!

Is the 68-team NCAAT any better than the 32 team version of the late 70’s/early 80’s? Matter of opinion, I suppose.

What is non-factual about what I typed?

I wasn't saying you aren't using facts. What I was referring to is the arguments against a four team playoff using the probability of injuries as a "factual" reason to not have a playoff. FCS had a playoff at the time with 20 teams, so FCS teams could play as many or more games than FBS in a 4 team playoff.

If the 68 team tournament better than a 32? From a financial standpoint it most definitely is. No matter what the conference and CFP leaders say about reasons to expand or contract the playoffs, they will make the decision based mostly on money.

 

[g0lftime]

The only way to stop ND is for all conferences not to schedule them in football, force their hand ( but we all know that won’t work)

They have a sweetheart deal with the ACC. P4 football games guaranteed with 5 ACC a year and also full schedule with all other sports. What a deal. Swofford was such a sucker. They would have an awful time scheduling all those sports if totally independent.

 

[TooTall]

FCS has 24 teams. D2 has 28 teams.

FCS had 20 teams when people were arguing that a 4 team playoff was far too many games for college football. Back then people said: That is too many games to play and remain healthy. That is too many games to play and will interfere with academics. : All the time they were saying that, FCS teams were playing more games without huge increases in injuries nor increases in academic failures.

People find "facts" to support their arguments, but ignore actual facts that are sitting right in front of them. I think that 16 is inevitable, especially if every first round bye loses again next year. I think there is zero chance of pulling back to 8 because there is too much money involved. I think expanding beyond 16 will depend entirely on financials and will not even consider injuries nor academics. They will profess that they are considering those things, but money will be what drives any changes.

Please be aware that D2 & FCS only have a 10 game regular season before the media picks the playoff teams and seeding. Good luck getting FBS conferences and schools to agree to drop 2 games.
In my opinion, it needs to be either 8 or 16 and the first rounds are played at home. If I win my conference and ranked in the top half, I want that first round game in my house with my fans in a sell out, not some bye to then play in a neutral site outta state.

 

[stinger78]

I wasn't saying you aren't using facts. What I was referring to is the arguments against a four team playoff using the probability of injuries as a "factual" reason to not have a playoff. FCS had a playoff at the time with 20 teams, so FCS teams could play as many or more games than FBS in a 4 team playoff.

If the 68 team tournament better than a 32? From a financial standpoint it most definitely is. No matter what the conference and CFP leaders say about reasons to expand or contract the playoffs, they will make the decision based mostly on money.

What’s “better” is a matter of opinion. What is fact is a 32-team playoff would add a 3-5 game “season” onto the top 8 teams. Those teams are loaded with future NFL players (far more so than equivalent FCS or DII teams).

My opinion again is that you would likely see multiple opt-outs under that format.

 

[RonJohn]

What’s “better” is a matter of opinion. What is fact is a 32-team playoff would add a 3-5 game “season” onto the top 8 teams. Those teams are loaded with future NFL players (far more so than equivalent FCS or DII teams).

My opinion again is that you would likely see multiple opt-outs under that format.

My 68 vs 32 was referring to your question about whether the NCAAT is better at 68 than it was at 32. Financially it is much better off. I doubt that football will go to 32 anytime soon if ever. I do think it is very likely to go to 16 after next year.

 

[wrmathis]

Please be aware that D2 & FCS only have a 10 game regular season before the media picks the playoff teams and seeding. Good luck getting FBS conferences and schools to agree to drop 2 games.
In my opinion, it needs to be either 8 or 16 and the first rounds are played at home. If I win my conference and ranked in the top half, I want that first round game in my house with my fans in a sell out, not some bye to then play in a neutral site outta state.

FCS played 12 regular season games this year. Normally they play 11 but for some reason the calendar let them play 12 this year

"In championship subdivision football, a member institution shall limit its total regular-season playing schedule with outside competition during the permissible football playing season in any one year to 11 contests (games or scrimmages), except as provided for member institutions located in Alaska and Hawaii, under Bylaw 17.31.2, and except as provided for all members under Bylaw 17.11.6.2. Twelve football contests shall be permissible during those years in which there are 14 Saturdays from the first permissible playing date through the last playing date in November"

straight from here: https://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D124.pdf

 

[RonJohn]

Please be aware that D2 & FCS only have a 10 game regular season before the media picks the playoff teams and seeding. Good luck getting FBS conferences and schools to agree to drop 2 games.
In my opinion, it needs to be either 8 or 16 and the first rounds are played at home. If I win my conference and ranked in the top half, I want that first round game in my house with my fans in a sell out, not some bye to then play in a neutral site outta state.

I think it is likely that in 10 years college football will be so different that is is unrecognizable. (From an organization standpoint) I think there will end up being collective bargaining with the players. It is possible that the "business" of college football could end up causing a reorganization into something like the proposed super conference. At the moment it is every conference and every team fighting for themselves. If it moves to a more combined organization with collective bargaining with the players, it could end up being set up more like the NFL where you qualify for the playoffs instead of being picked for the playoffs. What number of regular season games and what number of teams in the playoffs makes the most money for the teams and the player's union? That will be the question if things move that way.

I have no idea what it will be like, but I am fairly certain that it won't be like it is now. If someone had predicted 20 years ago that we would have a 12 team playoff and schools would be directly paying the players, everyone would have thought they were insane.