Biggest game for CPJ since Orange Bowl....

[Technut1990]

kinda boxed in on this discussion board trying to argue. If I point out basic things that players just don’t do right I’ll be yelled at for talking about the players, yet if I say the coach should coach better after watching those same players mess up the same basic things it’s ok. The reason there is a difference in results is not the coach it’s that we have different players.

 

[Technut1990]

You went with the unprovable statement route. Nice. Let me try, if Johnson was coaching clemson we'd have won both the past two games.

Amazing to me how some of us see a player make bad reads and bad pitches, fumbles and forget snap counts and we see it as the players fault. Others blame the coach.

 

[FrostedOrange]

I like cpj, I loved the excitement he brought the program. But purely from a business perspective, he's gotta go and fast. Horse is outta the barn

 

[lv20gt]

kinda boxed in on this discussion board trying to argue. If I point out basic things that players just don’t do right I’ll be yelled at for talking about the players, yet if I say the coach should coach better after watching those same players mess up the same basic things it’s ok. The reason there is a difference in results is not the coach it’s that we have different players.

And who is responsible for those players being there?

 

[TheSilasSonRising]

The longer he stays the more $ it will costs us - not less.

And more time to rebuild something real.

Don’t want him - don’t need him.

 

[iceeater1969]

Thank goodness they didn't pass a lot or they would have run up the score.

 

[Technut1990]

And who is responsible for those players being there?

That’s a deep question. Are they there b/c CPJ doesn’t want better players, do you really think that ? or are they missing b/c the BOR won’t give us academic avenues to get better players ?

Arguing that Tech sports problems in general is because of CJP or Hall or anyone else is fine but it would be nice if the argument were apples to apples. 75% of the players at Clemson, Bama or Ga couldn’t even get into Tech yet you don’t even bat an eye at that fact. Tech sports worst enemy is THE BOR and The HILL not it’s coaches

If Tech had some BS courses to flood with football players CJP would be your favorite coach ! Because football talented players capable of exploiting the right reads would be making CPJ look like a genius.

 

[Technut1990]

And who is responsible for those players being there?

BTW asking that question seems to indicate you think the players actually may be contributing to the poor performance, kinda like you want it both ways, it’s the coach whose responsible for the losses but the players for the wins

 

[Jawtek82]

I highly doubt he gets fired, we will see him for at least another year unless he quits imo. Which it’s been said, if it’s a really bad year this year he might quit.

Why would he quit? He's nearing retirement age and it's not like any big time program is gonna come clamoring for him. He is not a very good college head football coach, but he is signed through 2022 and he not going anywhere before the end of the 2021 season at the earliest. So just accept that we are going to get three more years of this after this year, and hope you are still alive to see what happens after that.

 

[lv20gt]

75% of the players at Clemson, Bama or Ga couldn’t even get into Tech yet you don’t even bat an eye at that fact.

Mostly because it's a made up fact.

BTW asking that question seems to indicate you think the players actually may be contributing to the poor performance, kinda like you want it both ways, it’s the coach whose responsible for the losses but the players for the wins

What wins?

 

[MikeJackets1967]

Why would he quit? He's nearing retirement age and it's not like any big time program is gonna come clamoring for him. He is not a very good college head football coach, but he is signed through 2022 and he not going anywhere before the end of the 2021 season at the earliest. So just accept that we are going to get three more years of this after this year, and hope you are still alive to see what happens after that.

What happens if he's still around in 2021 wont be pretty

 

[Jawtek82]

That’s a deep question. Are they there b/c CPJ doesn’t want better players, do you really think that ? or are they missing b/c the BOR won’t give us academic avenues to get better players ?

Arguing that Tech sports problems in general is because of CJP or Hall or anyone else is fine but it would be nice if the argument were apples to apples. 75% of the players at Clemson, Bama or Ga couldn’t even get into Tech yet you don’t even bat an eye at that fact. Tech sports worst enemy is THE BOR and The HILL not it’s coaches

If Tech had some BS courses to flood with football players CJP would be your favorite coach ! Because football talented players capable of exploiting the right reads would be making CPJ look like a genius.

What is this blaming the Board of regents. Please to explain exactly what criteria the BOR imposes on football recruits that is more stringent than Stanford or Duke or Notre Dame? Or even Georgia for that matter. I hear people parroting this supposed truth all the time, but I never hear anyone explain exactly HOW the BOR prevents Georgia Tech from recruiting the same SA as everyone else - or why they would even want to do that?

 

[Jawtek82]

What happens if he's still around in 2021 wont be pretty

I'm sure it won't be. Probably a good reason to not flame out over CPJ now when they are going to have three more years and things are likely to get even worse. Better for folks to hold some of their fire in reserve lest they just become shrill.

 

[lv20gt]

What is this blaming the Board of regents. Please to explain exactly what criteria the BOR imposes on football recruits that is more stringent than Stanford or Duke or Notre Dame? Or even Georgia for that matter. I hear people parroting this supposed truth all the time, but I never hear anyone explain exactly HOW the BOR prevents Georgia Tech from recruiting the same SA as everyone else - or why they would even want to do that?

Well when it has become obvious that the DC wasn't the problem people needed a new target that wasn't Johnson.

 

[Technut1990]

Mostly because it's a made up fact.



What wins?

Ok I’m done, can’t debate with someone who moves the target. I’m wrong I know, most of the players at Bama, Clemson and Ga could get into Tech and even play football , you are right.

 

[OldJacketFan]

Ok I’m done, can’t debate with someone who moves the target. I’m wrong I know, most of the players at Bama, Clemson and Ga could get into Tech and even play football , you are right.

And would make the Dean List without any study time LMFAO!!!!!

 

[laoh]

What is this blaming the Board of regents. Please to explain exactly what criteria the BOR imposes on football recruits that is more stringent than Stanford or Duke or Notre Dame? Or even Georgia for that matter. I hear people parroting this supposed truth all the time, but I never hear anyone explain exactly HOW the BOR prevents Georgia Tech from recruiting the same SA as everyone else - or why they would even want to do that?

Let's start with this one.
https://www.usg.edu/regents/members/

How many Tech alums are represented on the board and how many ugag alums?
It's been extremely difficult to introduce a new "athlete-friendly" major at Tech.

 

[lv20gt]

Ok I’m done, can’t debate with someone who moves the target. I’m wrong I know, most of the players at Bama, Clemson and Ga could get into Tech and even play football , you are right.

So do you have any actual support for your claim?

 

[Jawtek82]

Ok I’m done, can’t debate with someone who moves the target. I’m wrong I know, most of the players at Bama, Clemson and Ga could get into Tech and even play football , you are right.

Do you believe that most of the players at Bama, Clemson and Ga could get into Bama, Clemson and Ga if they were not playing football there? I know that is speculation - I'm just curious what you think. I'll tell you my opinion: no.

 

[MikeJackets1967]

I'm sure it won't be. Probably a good reason to not flame out over CPJ now when they are going to have three more years and things are likely to get even worse. Better for folks to hold some of their fire in reserve lest they just become shrill.

It's going to be really bad from now until the time he retires or is fired in my opinion. It wont stop and when the losses really pile up the amount of angry critics will increase more and more.