Attrition and Scholarship Limits

[Whiskey_Clear]

You're not going to hear Bobby, George, Chan, or Paul come out and make an official statement about how they nudged a player out because they weren't cutting it on the field of play. I don't know how much slower I can say it, I just think you're going to die on that hill until me or @Ibeeballin "gives you a name, and puts up"...and that's okay. The dirty part of the business isn't advertised and bragged about in the local paper. I just have a real hard time believing you're as naïve as you're trying to put on, I think you're just being purposely stubborn. We've had mass exodus' of players leaving the program, and you're trying to tell me you think they all just left because they had a "change of heart". This is literally the 4th time I've had to explain this to you, so I don't know how else I can put it to you, and that's okay. But I'm more concerned about you being picked for jury duty in our society. {Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you'll see the suspect and the victim walk behind the building here on the tape. The suspect is clearly holding the murder weapon and then when they're out of frame you'll hear the gunshot. The suspect is immediately seen back in the frame sprinting in the other direction and throwing the gun in the alley} I'm afraid you'd be the juror that stands up and says "But show me where he put that gun to the man's chest and pulled the trigger, otherwise I'm not buying all these theatrics" lmao pretty scary thought.

I'm only kidding but you get the point. If you want to believe that 129 schools are doing something and we're the 1 team that doesn't then that's fine by me, I'll let the point go with you. You can believe in Santa or the Tooth Fairy as well, I will not stand in your way chief.

My point is I don’t think Tech is the only one not doing this. And I still think we both have different definitions of “processing”.

As you say, I doubt you will understand my points regardless of how many I make to clarify it. I’m pretty certain you are only skimming these posts to begin with.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

How about 50 names? lol

Please do. Then we can look at each individual instance and discuss if we even agree the instance is one of being processed.

I can think of one that would apply for O’Leary. And he got grilled for it in the local press and to this day is despised by some fans because of it.

So name some and let’s discuss.

Edit: did Machelle Joseph just get fired for trying to process her players or was she just an old school coach? (I honestly haven’t followed that story but could see it possibly being either or a combination of both)

 

[ncjacket79]

Please do. Then we can look at each individual instance and discuss if we even agree the instance is one of being processed.

I can think of one that would apply for O’Leary. And he got grilled for it in the local press and to this day is despised by some fans because of it.

So name some and let’s discuss.

Edit: did Machelle Joseph just get fired for trying to process her players or was she just an old school coach? (I honestly haven’t followed that story but could see it possibly being either or a combination of both)

On Machelle it was neither. And if you haven’t been following you probably want to not post about the situation. You’ll just make yourself look foolish.

 

[Milwaukee]

Please do. Then we can look at each individual instance and discuss if we even agree the instance is one of being processed.

I can think of one that would apply for O’Leary. And he got grilled for it in the local press and to this day is despised by some fans because of it.

So name some and let’s discuss.

Edit: did Machelle Joseph just get fired for trying to process her players or was she just an old school coach? (I honestly haven’t followed that story but could see it possibly being either or a combination of both)

No idea about the Joseph thing. There's been a couple names listed already in the thread, but I don't know which page(s) or which player(s).

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

On Machelle it was neither. And if you haven’t been following you probably want to not post about the situation. You’ll just make yourself look foolish.

I think I pretty clearly stated I haven’t followed the story. All I know is she got fired and her players complained she was a bully. (From first report)

I also clearly didn’t make any statements about it but rather asked a question. Thanks for the concern though.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

No idea about the Joseph thing. There's been a couple names listed already in the thread, but I don't know which page(s) or which player(s).

But it’s been going on for 30 years, you are adamant it’s been consistently ongoing for that period of time...but you have zero first hand knowledge and can’t even recall any names 3rd hand.

I bet you make sales with the same adamant certainty. Sorry I’m still not sold.

 

[85Escape]

I don't know about his particular case, so not throwing shade....but "salesperson" and "factual" ain't exactly related.

 

[Milwaukee]

But it’s been going on for 30 years, you are adamant it’s been consistently ongoing for that period of time...but you have zero first hand knowledge and can’t even recall any names 3rd hand.

I bet you make sales with the same adamant certainty. Sorry I’m still not sold.

We don’t know publicly, but I’m pretty sure quite a few RS JRs were told that in their exit meeting

You're never going to be sold. Kind of odd but no biggie.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

You're never going to be sold. Kind of odd but no biggie.

Took me a while to buy into the Sewak is a nutter theory but I did buy in late. Eventually got a little more facts than speculation. Maybe that will happen here but I doubt it. People are too quick to cry “victim” about anything and everything nowadays. These stories would be at the forefront if they were happening much anywhere.

 

[forensicbuzz]

I don't know about processing like some of the factories are purportedly doing, but I guarantee some of these Tech players are looking at their playing time, getting feed back from the coaching staff about their playing time and their potential playing time, compare that to the level of effort they have to put in in the class room and choose to transfer somewhere else. I'm hearing that some feel this is processing and some don't. In order to have a true discussion, I think the terms need to be clearly defined. And in the end, I don't think any of these kids want to proclaim that the coach told them they weren't good enough to get on the field. Just transfer out and go play somewhere else. I think Vad Lee saw the writing on the wall. But that's merely my speculation.

 

[RonJohn]

You're never going to be sold. Kind of odd but no biggie.

What ibeeballin said is different from what whiskey has been saying. The links that whiskey provided were sending letters to scholarship players that their scholarships were no longer valid and giving medicals to people without actual career ending medical conditions. Apples and oranges.

 

[Milwaukee]

RonJohn re-read the thread if you'd like? This is exhausting lol.

I'm going to exit the thread as ibee did after he repeatedly won the thread.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

RonJohn re-read the thread if you'd like? This is exhausting lol.

I'm going to exit the thread as ibee did after he repeatedly won the thread.

Lol

 

[RonJohn]

RonJohn re-read the thread if you'd like? This is exhausting lol.

I'm going to exit the thread as ibee did after he repeatedly won the thread.

I have read the thread. You keep going around in circles. Just because you don't understand specifics about what whiskey is saying doesn't mean that he is speaking about the same thing as ibeeballin. Your attitude and responses remind me of William H Macy selling cars in Fargo. Just ignore what the person is saying and keep repeating some vague statements over and over.

 

[Milwaukee]

I have read the thread. You keep going around in circles. Just because you don't understand specifics about what whiskey is saying doesn't mean that he is speaking about the same thing as ibeeballin. Your attitude and responses remind me of William H Macy selling cars in Fargo. Just ignore what the person is saying and keep repeating some vague statements over and over.

lol I laughed out loud at that one. "Yea, but that clear-coat..." Great flick.

You have no idea what you're talking about and for the love of God I've explained it 7-8 times now, so no, you have not comprehended this thread. Please read the thread when you get some time if you're actually interested, but for the love of God stop pulling me into this pile of confusion. Now you seem to keep rambling about some whiskey/ibee confusion. How you or whiskey or anyone can be confused as to what my or ibee's definition of processing is (IF YOU'VE ACTUALLY READ THIS THREAD LIKE YOU SAY) is absolutely insane. My alerts keep popping up every few minutes. Goodnight, please stop.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

lol I laughed out loud at that one. "Yea, but that clear-coat..." Great flick.

You have no idea what you're talking about and for the love of God I've explained it 7-8 times now, so no, you have not comprehended this thread. Please read the thread when you get some time if you're actually interested, but for the love of God stop pulling me into this pile of confusion. Now you seem to keep rambling about some whiskey/ibee confusion. How you or whiskey or anyone can be confused as to what my or ibee's definition of processing is (IF YOU'VE ACTUALLY READ THIS THREAD LIKE YOU SAY) is absolutely insane. My alerts keep popping up every few minutes. Goodnight, please stop.

Goodnight

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Sorry, this is not reality. I don’t like it but some tough decisions have to be made. They will still be have their education paid for, but it’s insane to keep guys who been on the roster for 3 yrs and have yet to contribute on Special teams and a kicker who can’t consistently hit 40yd FGs

We don’t know publicly, but I’m pretty sure quite a few RS JRs were told that in their exit meeting

Im pretty sure if i named someone, i wouldn’t be believed anyway

If coaches had told Shamir Devine he wouldn’t play a single down as a senior he’d almost certainly have been disappointed....and kept his scholarship to finish his degree. I suspect he’d have done the same if the same was said for his junior year also.

Players at Tech who don’t value the degree as much would be more likely to transfer.

Mistreat a guy like Shamire to get him off the team to free up a scholly.....no bueno my friend. That’s the difference in our perspectives on what processing is I think.

How about don’t name the name but detail the circumstances?

Who has advocated tolerating misbehavior here?

The conversation is about pushing kids out that want to stay simply because they don’t pan out on the 2 deep. They practice hard, attend every meeting, always on time, don’t skip class, have good character....but can’t get on the field except for mop up duty. So they are pushed out in order to open a scholly for a new recruit. This is what processing really is.

Yeah that wasn’t my take. Coaches should be able to gas kids for behavior or loafing etc. shouldn’t be able to kick them off the team unless found in violation of school rules. But run them all day long if coaches want.

The line coaches won’t want to cross is handling discipline in a manner that would leave them and the school open to civil litigation penalties etc.

O’Leary lost a lot of support for humiliating a player in practice and arguably placing him in a situation that could have led to unreasonable injury. I didn’t have a big problem with it but O’Leary was treading on a fairly narrow line their and their is less tolerance for that kind of coaching today.

This all strays away a bit from “processing” as I define it.

Your actually incorrect in your personal definition but I’m not entirely sure how to help....

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant...-processed-mean-in-recruiting-terms/55159307/

https://247sports.com/college/flori...larship-from-former-walk-ons-at-UF-120941305/

https://usatodayhss.com/2017/a-scholarship-offer-is-not-a-guarantee-so-what-is-it

https://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting/how-to-get-recruited/scholarship-facts

I’m not aware of any Tech coaches pulling ships due to a lack of “performance.” But even the NCAA says it can happen. If any Tech coach has done this, like Mcelwain seems to have, they will lose an awful lot of any respect I have for them.

This should help old @Milwaukee reacquaint himself with the debate when he wakes up in the morning.

I’m still waiting for...if not a name...at least the circumstances that occurred showing Tech has revoked a scholarship from a SA simply to make room for a supposedly more talented recruit. Because that’s what processing is.

Also interested to hear names or circumstances where players were mistreated in order to shove them out the door due to lack of talent or lack of profession.

For the record I don’t think all of our coaches are or have been saints. I suspect Sewak treated Will Bryan unfairly. But whatever caused that massive malfunction to occur wasn’t a case of processing. WB was senior so they weren’t making room to give his scholarship to someone else.

Speculative hearsay at best only thus far.

 

[Ibeeballin]

Coach basically told players it’s best he move on bc will not play

 

[Milwaukee]

Coach basically told players it’s best he move on bc will not play

And that, my friends, is processing.

Nobody...Saban, Smart, Dabo, Paul, Richt, nobody publicly pulls a kids scholly because he's not as good as they were hoping he'd be. This weird definition that a couple of you have in your head about what you think processing is simply doesn't exist on the planet. But what ibee is referring to and what I've said now 8 times, IS PROCESSING A PLAYER OUT. GT does this, and I know you think it's dirty and you don't like it. But it's just business at the D1 level.

/thread

And be sure to tip your waitress, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for coming.

 

[Whiskey_Clear]

Coach basically told players it’s best he move on bc will not play

And I think that’s completely fair. The SA still has the choice to stay on, get his degree, and contribute to the team in practice and workouts etc.

It’s not processing as Ive defined fairly thoroughly in this thread...though some failed to read or comprehend that. @Milwaukee