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Sources: Sean Miller talked payment on wiretap http://es.pn/2ChetU0
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FBI wiretaps show Sean Miller discussed $100K payment to lock recruit
Arrests coming due to college bball kickbacks
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FBI wiretaps show Sean Miller discussed $100K payment to lock recruit
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I would love to get odds on AZ looking at CJP at this point. Easy money on the under.
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Maybe for once these cheaters won’t vacate but instead their opponents will get wins. Then we might get a bunch of winning seasons!
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There might be so many ineligible teams by the time we get to March madness, I’m going to go on record by saying that we will be around a 5 seed. 
The Final 4 is looking like College of Charleston, St. Mary’s, Wright State, and Middle Tennessee State.
The Final 4 is looking like College of Charleston, St. Mary’s, Wright State, and Middle Tennessee State.
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Not this year. The NCAA won't do a thing this year. It will all still be in the FBI's hands and the NCAA will not have any evidence to allow them to change anything.There might be so many ineligible teams by the time we get to March madness, I’m going to go on record by saying that we will be around a 5 seed.
The Final 4 is looking like College of Charleston, St. Mary’s, Wright State, and Middle Tennessee State.
Might take 2-3 years for the punishments...or rule changes making it all legal anyway...to come about. In the meantime, move along, move along...nothing to see here.
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With some of what’s dropping now, it should be really scary once the FBI gets into the meat of their case. This is just moving a pawn into position; the big pieces aren’t even out yet.
Related to paying players, I think it’s optimistic at best that paying players will clean up basketball. Money seems to attract more money, and you’ll still see under the table payments or other forms of corruption. There are plenty of for profit businesses where shady stuff happens. I think G League and Euro league are better answers.
If we start paying players, why have academic requirements? Why not just host an arena with a minor league team, and let them have tuition assistance if they want it?
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Related to paying players, I think it’s optimistic at best that paying players will clean up basketball. Money seems to attract more money, and you’ll still see under the table payments or other forms of corruption. There are plenty of for profit businesses where shady stuff happens. I think G League and Euro league are better answers.
If we start paying players, why have academic requirements? Why not just host an arena with a minor league team, and let them have tuition assistance if they want it?
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I'm still stunned. Not that a P5 player got paid 6 figures. Hell, Cam Newton's dad admitted taking $250k from Auburn. Nope. I'm stunned that Sean Miller was (allegedly) stupid enough to talk directly to an agent about paying a player. On the phone. And (allegedly) tell the agent NOT to deal with anyone else but to ONLY talk to him about paying said player.
Then again, he is guaranteed to get $10MM if he gets fired for cause, so I guess he knew he had nothing to lose
Then again, he is guaranteed to get $10MM if he gets fired for cause, so I guess he knew he had nothing to lose
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If the FBI had a good case would they be dropping these daily tidbits to the press? I doubt it. They build public support when they have a weak case rather than a strong one.
To clarify, there are lots of players being paid by someone. The hard part is finding what is illegal and who to prosecute for these "crimes."
To clarify, there are lots of players being paid by someone. The hard part is finding what is illegal and who to prosecute for these "crimes."
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One thing not tied to income would be property taxes. I think AAs like churches are exempt. I don’t know for sure but I could make a good case that having to pay property taxes on the value of stadiums, student athlete facilities and the like would sink probably over half the AAs out there
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ofit-team-division-is-building-monster-desert
Grand Canyon a for profit school where property taxes r killing them. They r probably going to have to switch back to non-profit.
Grand Canyon a for profit school where property taxes r killing them. They r probably going to have to switch back to non-profit.
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Another one cleared. Not a problem:
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Good link. Everyone else's school is non-profit so if their AA owns property they could just shift it to the school ( I would think). This is a solution in search of a problem IMO.
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Admittedly speculative - but if the legislative branch decides the current situation is worthy of revoking non-profit status of AAs, I expect they will close or at least make it really hard for large sports stadiums or exclusive athletic facilities to be moved back to the university. Having said that - legally I don't know if the facilities are actually owned by the AA or the university already. And IIRC GT itself stands behind the bonds on the stadium so they may well be the underlying owner anyway.
Net net - I expect if you were to know all the arcane details of tax law and legislation, removing non profit status is likely not the deathknell I speculated re: property taxes but is probably a bigger issue than a solution looking for a problem. I expect it would fundamentally alter collegiate athletics and as much as it pains me - would likely be a reasonable response to the shift by AAs from a "modest" mechanism to facilitate athletics as part of the college experience to today's multibillion revenue creating monster.
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Well this pretty much puts a fork in yet another made up message board story:
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I think the current Duke, Michigan St, and Kentucky players that have already been cleared were only implicated in possibly getting one free meal from an agent. Under current NCAA rules, any violation like that under $200 does not result in a suspension, but only repayment of any monies received. I figure that is how those three were “cleared” so quickly.
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I keep trying to dig up a guide from a lawyer that I saw, that had tips on identifying who was leaking what. I don’t know who’s leaking what here, but the general rule of thumb is that defense attorneys leak a lot more than prosecutors or FBI agents. The latter face severe penalties for leaking and the former don’t. Defense attorneys will often leak to the press and then hold a conference blaming the prosecution for leaking.
They also gave terms like “sources inside the agency” or “sources associated with the prosecution” meant people who weren’t actually working on the case. It could just be someone working at the courthouse.
“Someone with knowledge of the case” or “someone involved in the case” might actually be a member of the defense team. Sometime the leak will be to get evidence suppressed or to lessen its impact in a trial.
Unless you see something like “a member of the investigating team” or “one of the prosecuting attorneys”, it’s probably not the FBI or prosecution
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