Ahmaud Arbery murder case

[Deleted member 2897]

A month ago, my daughters boyfriend was out one weekend day with 3 other friends throwing cheese slices at cars as they passed in the other lane. Why? Who the hell knows - they thought it was funny. Someone apparently called the police with a description of the car and they got pulled over later. All 4 passengers pulled out. Cop pulls my daughters boyfriend to the side and nobody else. Said it was because the caller reported one of the guys had on green socks. THEY WERE IN A CAR. How would the caller have seen that? He was the only black guy in a car full of white people. WTF?

 

[LibertyTurns]

@Supersizethatorder-mutt Man, I’d hate to live in a neighborhood I’d have to fear my neighbors.

Cop pulls my daughters boyfriend to the side and nobody else. Said it was because the caller reported one of the guys had on green socks. THEY WERE IN A CAR. How would the caller have seen that? He was the only black guy in a car full of white people. WTF?

Everybody knows white dudes don’t wear green socks.

 

[BleedGoldNWhite21]

Who? Not disagreeing just honestly curious.

Not saying anyone on this board, but there’s a lot of people I’ve seen on social media saying as much.

 

[MWBATL]

Literally nobody has said this. He was murdered in my opinion, in cold blood, and he deserves justice to be served and the McMichaels should die by execution. But you need to stop with the he was a jogger bull****, me and my son can’t even jog without being hunted bull****, and everyone is saying he deserved to die simply because he was trespassing bull****. Literally nobody here has said this. Stop being a f’n drama queen.

I'm not sure that @kg01 said that. Certainly not in the post you're quoting.

What he said was that as a black man, you have to be extra cautious about being out as a minority is society. There are simply too many cases where a white person somehow feels justified in ordering a black person to stop, detains them with firearms or makes a citizens arrest (call it whatever you like) when the action is an over-reaction and comes too close to vigilantism (is that a word?). I actually don't hear him saying the kid was jogging, or that the kid was an angel or any of those things. What I hear is that...the actions are NOT justified by the "crime" (assuming the kid even committed a crime).

Look, I get what some of ya'll are saying...the race-baiting in the media is bad for our country. BUT, I do think that all too often we seem to have folks in neighborhood watch situations where things escalate, when they should have been turned over to the police. George Zimmerman and Trayvon come to mind. Again, Trayvon was no saint. But...let the police sort these things out. (I don't mean to derail this whole thread into an argument about that, I am ONLY trying to say that there are some striking similarities that my black friends have pointed out to me as one of the underlying issues here....)

Bottom line remains that even if this kid was guilty, this was NOT the way to handle it, and (unfortunately) it looks like it took agitation and extraordinary efforts to get the wheels of justice rolling. That's enough right there to go talk to your son about......

By the way, if I were jogging or walking down Martin Luther King Blvd and two black dudes drove up on me in a pickup truck with guns drawn...I'd be scared sh**less and goodness knows what I'd do. But I really doubt that I'd just stop and start chatting with them...so the fact that the kid struggled and got into an altercation doesn't count for much with me.

I hate the race-baiting that occurs in media and I especially hate it when it appears that was the only way for these black folk to draw attention to an injustice. We can do better.

 

[Milwaukee]

Not saying anyone on this board, but there’s a lot of people I’ve seen on social media saying as much.

Me too, I thought you were referring to this board.

 

[Dpjacket]

I understand what you're saying. I just don't believe you are in a position to actually know what you're talking about. You know how you feel, but until you are actually on the other side, I don't think you can truly understand. I'm not trying to criticize or pick an argument; these are just my opinions.

I'm a 51 year old white man, born of a Southern mother and West Coast father, who has lived all over the world, including the Middle East. I'm sure I have my prejudices, but I work hard not to prejudge anyone or any situation. At times it is very hard. However, I have to say that the older I get, the more I realize that my experiences are my own and that no one else can truly understand what I feel or why. I would posit that as white men, there is no way we can begin to understand what a black man may feel.

I think the option you’re omitting is how to posit how a person may feel because liberal emotional society *tells the person how to feel* based off of the past history of ancestors. I believe this is the new dynamic of the 21st Century and certainly modern politics.

 

[Milwaukee]

I'm not sure that @kg01 said that. Certainly not in the post you're quoting.

What he said was that as a black man, you have to be extra cautious about being out as a minority is society. There are simply too many cases where a white person somehow feels justified in ordering a black person to stop, detains them with firearms or makes a citizens arrest (call it whatever you like) when the action is an over-reaction and comes too close to vigilantism (is that a word?). I actually don't hear him saying the kid was jogging, or that the kid was an angel or any of those things. What I hear is that...the actions are NOT justified by the "crime" (assuming the kid even committed a crime).

Look, I get what some of ya'll are saying...the race-baiting in the media is bad for our country. BUT, I do think that all too often we seem to have folks in neighborhood watch situations where things escalate, when they should have been turned over to the police. George Zimmerman and Trayvon come to mind. Again, Trayvon was no saint. But...let the police sort these things out. (I don't mean to derail this whole thread into an argument about that, I am ONLY trying to say that there are some striking similarities that my black friends have pointed out to me as one of the underlying issues here....)

Bottom line remains that even if this kid was guilty, this was NOT the way to handle it, and (unfortunately) it looks like it took agitation and extraordinary efforts to get the wheels of justice rolling. That's enough right there to go talk to your son about......

By the way, if I were jogging or walking down Martin Luther King Blvd and two black dudes drove up on me in a pickup truck with guns drawn...I'd be scared sh**less and goodness knows what I'd do. But I really doubt that I'd just stop and start chatting with them...so the fact that the kid struggled and got into an altercation doesn't count for much with me.

I hate the race-baiting that occurs in media and I especially hate it when it appears that was the only way for these black folk to draw attention to an injustice. We can do better.

No, he actually did say it. Which was crazy, which led to me asking if he really meant it. And his response was “I never said that” lol when I only brought it up cause he literally said that. I didn’t make it up for amusement. But I didn’t want to press him on it because he’s good peeps, but then he doubled down so...go back in the thread and see for yourself.
Kg isn’t the bad guy here. He’s just extremely frustrated with this case (as we all are) and speaking from emotion rather than facts, which is understandable. But don’t try to pass emotion as facts. He’s made some absolutely asinine statements along with Super.

 

[Dpjacket]

I'm not sure that @kg01 said that. Certainly not in the post you're quoting.

What he said was that as a black man, you have to be extra cautious about being out as a minority is society. There are simply too many cases where a white person somehow feels justified in ordering a black person to stop, detains them with firearms or makes a citizens arrest (call it whatever you like) when the action is an over-reaction and comes too close to vigilantism (is that a word?). I actually don't hear him saying the kid was jogging, or that the kid was an angel or any of those things. What I hear is that...the actions are NOT justified by the "crime" (assuming the kid even committed a crime).

Look, I get what some of ya'll are saying...the race-baiting in the media is bad for our country. BUT, I do think that all too often we seem to have folks in neighborhood watch situations where things escalate, when they should have been turned over to the police. George Zimmerman and Trayvon come to mind. Again, Trayvon was no saint. But...let the police sort these things out. (I don't mean to derail this whole thread into an argument about that, I am ONLY trying to say that there are some striking similarities that my black friends have pointed out to me as one of the underlying issues here....)

Bottom line remains that even if this kid was guilty, this was NOT the way to handle it, and (unfortunately) it looks like it took agitation and extraordinary efforts to get the wheels of justice rolling. That's enough right there to go talk to your son about......

By the way, if I were jogging or walking down Martin Luther King Blvd and two black dudes drove up on me in a pickup truck with guns drawn...I'd be scared sh**less and goodness knows what I'd do. But I really doubt that I'd just stop and start chatting with them...so the fact that the kid struggled and got into an altercation doesn't count for much with me.

I hate the race-baiting that occurs in media and I especially hate it when it appears that was the only way for these black folk to draw attention to an injustice. We can do better.

“Travon Martin”. I’ve heard of him. Something happened to him about 10 yrs ago or so?

I saw photographs of the man and his father who were arrested today for the murder. I'm sorry, but those two guys look to me like white trash rednecks.

For sure depending on the locale there’s a chance for White trash rednecks as there are Black trash thugs. That’s the reality of present day.

Although if you’re the 70% that live in a Metro area the odds to one or the other might differ..

 

[684Bee]

I go to and teach a SS class in a small church with currently one black member, a 30-year old guy in my SS class. He asked Sunday in our online class if he should feel safe if he went jogging. My answer was from my heart, and I told him to NEVER go jogging unless at least one white person was with him. There may not be anybody "hunting" him, but there are plenty of rednecks who would see him running on a street and immediately conclude he was running FROM something and needed to be stopped. There may not be a lot of such people, but it only takes one, and he could be dead.

I’m sorry, but this is ridiculous.

 

[Dpjacket]

Everyone has already said this, not sure if maybe you haven’t read the responses here. These 2 guys need to be killed as their punishment.

As long as we get rid of every gangbanger who hunts down where there’s intent to kill. #SaveChicago

 

[Dpjacket]

@RonJohn At the end of the day we’ll end up with a media circus, certain groups will profit, the radical left & right will have an issue to parade around & not a damn thing will come out of this. Sad because it’s another opportunity to move the needle.

^ this

Except that I happen to think — in my microcosm of blended, accepting society here in beautiful Stone Mountain, GA — that the needle is already moved forward. This is just pushing it back a couple or five or six decades...

 

[Dpjacket]

Georgia AG asks GBI to probe handling of Ahmaud Arbery murder case
https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-n...ud-arbery-murder-case/tIMK0bpEhNma1F8hMal9sI/

Looks like they are busting up the good ole boy system...

Someone has to take the fall. It’s the natural course...

 

[Dpjacket]

I stand by everything I said.

The problem is you've misread something I said and, instead of going back and fixing your mistake, you're attributing something to me that I never said.

And worse, you're calling me out for failing(sic) to explain your mistaken quote.

I'll pass.

I’m trying to catch up over the past pages .. but to be honest I’ve not come across anything you’ve said that’s enlightened or personal. It begs when this might happen.

 

[RonJohn]

No, he actually did say it. Which was crazy, which led to me asking if he really meant it. And his response was “I never said that” lol when I only brought it up cause he literally said that. I didn’t make it up for amusement. But I didn’t want to press him on it because he’s good peeps, but then he doubled down so...go back in the thread and see for yourself.
Kg isn’t the bad guy here. He’s just extremely frustrated with this case (as we all are) and speaking from emotion rather than facts, which is understandable. But don’t try to pass emotion as facts. He’s made some absolutely asinine statements along with Super.

Well, let's look at exact wording to see if he did actually say exactly what you said he said.

He said:

Too painful a subject for me. I've told about how my grandmother explained how I should act in public as a black man. One of the things she told me was I couldn't run in public because, if someone accused me of a crime, they could gun me down and ask questions later. And nothing would be done about it.

She told me this in 1988 so this wasn't some Black Lives Matter conversation. Apparently she'd seen that happen several times.

I didn't think I'd have to have those types of conversations with my sons some 30-odd years later but here we are.

What makes it even sadder is my grandma lives in Brunswick and I'm sure she knows that family. I know it's just some 'story' for most of yall, but I have to walk around with that fear my whole life.



There's nothing funny about that.

As a black man, that image would absolutely terrify me and a life or death confrontation would ensue.

To which you asked:

Did you really tell your son he’s not allowed to jog in public? I’m simply curious if you really did or if you were being dramatic in the moment.

Now, is how to act in public and not to "run" in public for fear of being misunderstood the same a taking a "jog" in public? I don't take them to be the same thing at all. I don't know @kg01 personally, so can't discuss his grandmother or his culture. I do know a few black families that teach their children to be clean, dress sharp, talk politely, talk directly, talk intelligently, be respectful, etc. I might have misunderstood him, but I took his statement as: Present yourself in public, show what you are and do not give other people the opportunity to decide what you are for themselves.

If that is indeed the sentiment he was expressing, taking that as "I can't take a jog around the Atlanta BeltLine", is indeed flippant.

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

I’m sorry, but this is ridiculous.

Why is it ridiculous? Do you seriously think a young black man running down a street should feel safe in the society in which we live? IMO you are very naive if you think that.

 

[Milwaukee]

Well, let's look at exact wording to see if he did actually say exactly what you said he said.

He said:



To which you asked:



Now, is how to act in public and not to "run" in public for fear of being misunderstood the same a taking a "jog" in public? I don't take them to be the same thing at all. I don't know @kg01 personally, so can't discuss his grandmother or his culture. I do know a few black families that teach their children to be clean, dress sharp, talk politely, talk directly, talk intelligently, be respectful, etc. I might have misunderstood him, but I took his statement as: Present yourself in public, show what you are and do not give other people the opportunity to decide what you are for themselves.

If that is indeed the sentiment he was expressing, taking that as "I can't take a jog around the Atlanta BeltLine", is indeed flippant.

lol you posted exactly what was said. Exactly.

 

[684Bee]

Why is it ridiculous? Do you seriously think a young black man running down a street should feel safe in the society in which we live? IMO you are very naive if you think that.

Not naive at all. I’m likely one of the few on here that actually works very closely with several black men every single day. We talk about these things, too. Not one of them has any apprehension about being out and about in a predominantly white neighborhood. On the other hand, they routinely respond with, “you were in THAT neighborhood by yourself”?, when I tell them about some place I went.

 

[Dpjacket]

This doesn’t change the fact or validate that he was murdered by 2 men, but more info nonetheless:

Well..even though you’re already somewhere in Wisconsin, it’s safe to assume you wouldn’t be called as a juror with the declarative of murder here. But the trial will proceed nonetheless....because this is America and it’s the accused’s right..

 

[Supersizethatorder-mutt]

Not naive at all. I’m likely one of the few on here that actually works very closely with several black men every single day. We talk about these things, too. Not one of them has any apprehension about being out and about in a predominantly white neighborhood. On the other hand, they routinely respond with, “you were in THAT neighborhood by yourself”?, when I tell them about some place I went.

My black friend and fellow church member pretty much feels the same, as I am sure most blacks do, but it only takes one jerk to prove the opposite, and those jerks in Brunswick pretty much do that IMO

 

[LibertyTurns]

Why is it ridiculous? Do you seriously think a young black man running down a street should feel safe in the society in which we live? IMO you are very naive if you think that.

I think it’s far more dangerous in NYC, Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, LA, etc and even Atlanta than it is in 99.9999% of the rest of the United States. I’ll bet any amount of money there’s ZERO minorities getting shot at while jogging in my entire county and there’s at least a dozen minorities getting murdered in each of those cities in the next 6 months.

We all know where it’s safer and where it’s less safe. It’s not safer in the big cities & Brunswick I’m sure is still safer than Atlanta, etc on virtually every day.

We need to target the cause of this tragedy & move the needle forward not let the media/politician/lawyer clowns or radical wingnuts on either side of this situation take this over to everybody’s disbenefit except their own.