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RamblinRed

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The L'ville stuff is pretty significant. Good article on it here (including the full document).

http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...fter-investigation-of-louisville-sex-scandal/

In addition to the self imposed penalties they are going to lose an additional 4 scholarships over the 4 yr probation period and it looks like they will lose their 2013 Natl title - first time a Natl title has been taken away if that isn't reversed on appeal since ineligible players played in that game. (KY fans will have a field day with that)

L'ville interim President blasted the decision and says they will appeal all non self imposed penalties.

UNC should not be feeling too good today. Their meeting isn't for another month or two, but this suggests they could get hit hard.
 

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I don't disagree with Red often but I have to here.

Self imposed sanctions are stupid
Vacating wins is stupid

All that changes is

"2013 champs Louisville."

To

"2013 champs Louisville, which was later vacated"

4 scholarships over 4 years? Weren't Syracuses scholarship restrictions more significant?

$5000 fine? *makes lewd jerkoff motion*
No postseason ban? No coincidence Louisville is also one of the biggest money making basketball operations in the entire NCAA.
 

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They took their ban in 2016 and NCAA choose not to add any more ban years. FWIW, that team was 7th in KenPom.

Here's an article on why the vacate is important and why UNC should not be feeling great.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...wn-louisvilles-2013-title-banner-is-unc-next/

I know the 2016 team was good it's just, I dunno, feels like the Sopranos episode when the daughter destroyed her grandmothers house with a house party and then suggested her parents take away her Discover card for a week and that was enough.
 

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I don't disagree with Red often but I have to here.

Self imposed sanctions are stupid
Vacating wins is stupid

All that changes is

"2013 champs Louisville."

To

"2013 champs Louisville, which was later vacated"

4 scholarships over 4 years? Weren't Syracuses scholarship restrictions more significant?

$5000 fine? *makes lewd jerkoff motion*
No postseason ban? No coincidence Louisville is also one of the biggest money making basketball operations in the entire NCAA.
Yep, Syracuse was hit 2x
  • Lost 12 scholarships over 4 years (reduced to 8 after appeal)
  • Only 2 coaches on the road recruiting for 2 or 3 years
  • Boeheim suspended for 9 games
That was the result of an 8 year investigation that ended with finding a couple of written papers, $8,000 total in cash given to 3 football and 2 basketball student-athletes, and failure to enforce a non-NCAA mandated drug program (possible oversimplification alert). Oh, and a staffer said they were afraid of alerting Boeheim of the academic violations, so that was obviously put on Boeheim as well.

I do think not being able to recognize a national championship is a big blow, however. Can't hang a banner, show a trophy, or anything, which is a pretty big stain imo.
 

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In other news, the NCAA apologized to UNC officials. Said it was all a big misunderstanding and hope Ol Roy wasn't too mad about it. Oh, and BTW, can we keep spending the money ESPN gives us to televise your games twice weekly? Thanks

Makes me sick. Cuse and Louisville hit hard. UNC cheats systemically for 20 years. Proven beyond any doubt. They don't even deny it. They will get nothing and NCAA will punish the women's basketball team and maybe the sailing or debate teams, too.
 

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In other news, the NCAA apologized to UNC officials. Said it was all a big misunderstanding and hope Ol Roy wasn't too mad about it. Oh, and BTW, can we keep spending the money ESPN gives us to televise your games twice weekly? Thanks

Makes me sick. Cuse and Louisville hit hard. UNC cheats systemically for 20 years. Proven beyond any doubt. They don't even deny it. They will get nothing and NCAA will punish the women's basketball team and maybe the sailing or debate teams, too.

You mean 30 yrs, right? *gasp* UNC apologist alert!
 

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In other news, the NCAA apologized to UNC officials. Said it was all a big misunderstanding and hope Ol Roy wasn't too mad about it. Oh, and BTW, can we keep spending the money ESPN gives us to televise your games twice weekly? Thanks

Makes me sick. Cuse and Louisville hit hard. UNC cheats systemically for 20 years. Proven beyond any doubt. They don't even deny it. They will get nothing and NCAA will punish the women's basketball team and maybe the sailing or debate teams, too.

I don't feel sorry for L'ville or Syracuse. I actually would have hit both harder. I am a strong proponent of holding the HC accountable for his program. That is the only way for them not to consistently have assts be fall guys. It doesn't matter if you know about it or not - it's your program. It's no different for a CEO. As far as I'm concerned UNC should get the death penalty for all sports,
 

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I don't feel sorry for L'ville or Syracuse. I actually would have hit both harder. I am a strong proponent of holding the HC accountable for his program. That is the only way for them not to consistently have assts be fall guys. It doesn't matter if you know about it or not - it's your program. It's no different for a CEO. As far as I'm concerned UNC should get the death penalty for all sports,

Agree. Hitting McGee with a 10 year show cause is ridiculous. He hasn't coached since 2015.
 

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Agree. Hitting McGee with a 10 year show cause is ridiculous. He hasn't coached since 2015.

Casual observers will see it and think, "Ohh snap, a coach got a 10-year show cause!!! The NCAA don't play!"

In reality, dude's coaching career was over already.
 

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Dadgumit you mean signing up athletes into no class attendance, writing one paper graded by the Secretary, with priority given to athlete enrollment is a problem. It only lasted for 18 years. Where's the problem. We are an elite institution.
 

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I don't feel sorry for L'ville or Syracuse. I actually would have hit both harder. I am a strong proponent of holding the HC accountable for his program. That is the only way for them not to consistently have assts be fall guys. It doesn't matter if you know about it or not - it's your program. It's no different for a CEO. As far as I'm concerned UNC should get the death penalty for all sports,
For selfish reasons I am curious about hitting Syracuse harder. And I ask this as a supporter of "if it the punishment has to hit someone by default, it should be the HC". I just don't see hitting the HC as a unilateral application every time.
  • The drug program is the black eye, imo. While the NCAA does not mandate a specific drug program, the AD stated the drug policy that he oversaw was confusing. He was reassigned/fired. Boeheim is also at fault here, even though he handed out punishments that weren't aligned with the program. This should be punished.
  • The few written papers were overseen by some type of academic liaison who, when asked by investigators if they reported this to Boeheim, said "no" as they were afraid of consequences. Ok... grow up and be a professional, maybe, as the solution? Boeheim was not asked about this in the investigation. Does he need to improve mind-reading techniques or update his surly default face? I'm not sure.
  • The $8K handed out at the YMCA over 8 years to 5 athletes across football and basketball... if it's not on the athletes I guess this is on the HC. Regardless, the scale of this over 8 years is as comical as $312 worth of apparel items given to a GT WR.
Am I missing something in the interpretation of the infractions? I seriously might be, but some version of the above was ultimately interpreted as more severe than Louisville basketball, Penn State football and mostly likely UNC basketball.
 

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I live in North Carolina and love this state. I have dozens of friends, all of whom I care a great deal for, who love UNC and all its sports endeavors. None of these friends are cheaters, so the UNCheaters meme is very offensive to them. They think their beloved school is being punished harshly simply by the pace of the investigation. That every time a basketball recruit commits to Duke or UK or Kansas it's like a month in Solitary Confinement. Most of all, they want the NCAA to mete out its punishment and let UNC move on with whatever they have to endure.

But, I am not a UNC fan and I think what UNC did (and didn't do) needs to be punished. Yes, it was an academic scandal. An academic scandal that enabled dozens of athletes who, perhaps, had no business being in college, to remain eligible in spite of their lack of academic effort. I will be surprised, given what I think ought to happen, if UNC gets much more than vacated wins from seasons past and maybe a year banned from postseason play. TV contracts now dictate much of what happens in the sports world. Would ESPN balk at a the NCAA killing UNC basketball for one or two years, thereby depriving viewers at least two chances to see and hear **** Vitale describe how wonderful it is to watch UNC play Duke?

It would be nice if the UNC case could be closed soon, then we could debate whether their punishment for 18 years of academic fraud should be more or less than a WR getting a few T-shirts from his cousin's roommate.
 

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@orientalnc the UNCheat fans who don't like the length of investigation have only their own school to blame. This would've been over years ago except they refuse to turn over evidence, appeal everything and deny anything happened. Now they have changed to admitting everything but saying the NCAA doesn't have purview and can't punish them. Bill Friday (former UNC Chancellor) has to rolling over in his grave as the current administration shreds any remaining bit of the "Carolina Way". They're now just UNLV East.
 
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